This should motivate the 3.0L group!

[93sundance]

I posted my numbers from the track last night. I did real well. If any of you doubt the 3.0L, check this out!

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/showthread.php?p=37698#post37698

[r00tcause]

I posted my numbers from the track last night. I did real well. If any of you doubt the 3.0L, check this out!

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/showthread.php?p=37698#post37698

Try not to take this personally but 14 seconds is not fast.

[Clay]

at least shaun is trying to be nice. ;)

14 seconds isn't bad, especially when looking at his mod list. Its just some basic stuff!!

[93sundance]

Its fast for a N/A SOHC V-6 with bolt ons. I'm just sayin its fast for what it is. if I put slicks on it, it will run high 13s easy. Then I'll get some custom cams, and do a little more tuning and see mid 13s.

[BIG PSI]

Its fast for a N/A SOHC V-6 with bolt ons. I'm just sayin its fast for what it is. if I put slicks on it, it will run high 13s easy. Then I'll get some custom cams, and do a little more tuning and see mid 13s.


I for one think you are doing a great job.. To get any FWD NA into the low 14's is doing quite well..

Do you know what the car weighs with you in it as you race it ??

I read your Car Domain site and I wondered are you uncapping the exhaust or running the exhaust all the way out to the tailpipe ??

Do you have any recent pictures of the engine now that it is back into the car and how about some of the interior and exterior as you race it !!!

WTG
Chuck Green

:thumb:

[r00tcause]

I for one think you are doing a great job.. To get any FWD NA into the low 14's is doing quite well..

Do you know what the car weighs with you in it as you race it ??

I read your Car Domain site and I wondered are you uncapping the exhaust or running the exhaust all the way out to the tailpipe ??

Do you have any recent pictures of the engine now that it is back into the car and how about some of the interior and exterior as you race it !!!

WTG
Chuck Green

:thumb:


Uncapping the exhaust on an N/A would be a terrible idea.

I wonder what my Duster runs?

2.5" catback
Super Turbo Muffler
K&N cone intake
Kosei K1's /w Kumho's
5-speed

I have no idea.

[r00tcause]

at least shaun is trying to be nice. ;)

14 seconds isn't bad, especially when looking at his mod list. Its just some basic stuff!!


I'm just saying that 14's is not enough to "motivate" me. :)

[r00tcause]

Its fast for a N/A SOHC V-6 with bolt ons. I'm just sayin its fast for what it is. if I put slicks on it, it will run high 13s easy. Then I'll get some custom cams, and do a little more tuning and see mid 13s.

What size/type of tires was used on those runs?

[GLHSKEN]

Funny sig Sean, This way you have all the bases covered for your post if you forget a smiley... That is very respectable for an N/a car. Beats 75% of the TD's folks on the board drive.

[turbovanman²]

Yep, very respectable. Heck, I have way more time and money involved and he's nipping at my heels, :(

[BIG PSI]

Uncapping the exhaust on an N/A would be a terrible idea.

I wonder what my Duster runs?

2.5" catback
Super Turbo Muffler
K&N cone intake
Kosei K1's /w Kumho's
5-speed

I have no idea.

My older son use to race a 91 Shadow America with a 2.2 TBI 5-speed. We had a 2.5" diameter exhaust with a downpipe and a Walker Muffler. When he uncapped the car it went .14 to .17 quicker compared to being capped up. He raced it every weekend and finished 3rd in points two years ago.

It ran a best of:

.500
2.342
6.902
10.730
64.65
13.979
16.942
78.66

Regards
Chuck

[93sundance]

I am running full 2.5" exhaust w/ high flow cat and a 2 chamber muffler. The track I was just at doesn't have a scale. The one I was at on Saturday does. On saturday, the car was gutted except for the dash, and according to their scale, it weighed in at 2600 - 2650 (cant remember exactly) with me in the car. I weigh 230, so that is hard to believe, but I guess it is possible. I pulled the dash, and the whole climate control system out before I raced last night. I will have to take more pictures of my car now that it is gutted. The engine looks the same as in the pics on my site. I want to have some pics taken and videos made of me racing.




I for one think you are doing a great job.. To get any FWD NA into the low 14's is doing quite well..

Do you know what the car weighs with you in it as you race it ??

I read your Car Domain site and I wondered are you uncapping the exhaust or running the exhaust all the way out to the tailpipe ??

Do you have any recent pictures of the engine now that it is back into the car and how about some of the interior and exterior as you race it !!!

WTG
Chuck Green

:thumb:

[93sundance]

What size/type of tires was used on those runs?

225/50/15 yokohama AVS ES 100 w/ 280 treadwear. If I balanced the front end weight, and get some air shocks so I can stop the one wheel peels, I'm sure they would work good. Right now I am having major traction issues. I know 2.1 60 fts are not bad, but this thing has enough torque to pull 1.7s.

[Ondonti]

removing the exhaust right after the cat took my a604 spirit from 16.150 to 15.480.

My doesnt, has nothing but a 3" downpipe. :eyebrows:

[BIG PSI]

225/50/15 yokohama AVS ES 100 w/ 280 treadwear. If I balanced the front end weight, and get some air shocks so I can stop the one wheel peels, I'm sure they would work good. Right now I am having major traction issues. I know 2.1 60 fts are not bad, but this thing has enough torque to pull 1.7s.


A 1.7 sixty foot would be hard to achieve ... Trust me on that. I have been drag racing for 34 years and have plenty of track time. My big block 78 Dodge Truck launching on N2O (125 shot) with M & H Racemaster DOT tires only cut a
1.79 sixty footer. Even if you bolted on slicks I might venture to say you could get a 1.89 to a 1.85. The best I have done with a fwd vehicle is a 1.92 but that was in a Mini Van on Drag Radials and it weighs some 3300 with me.

Do you drive this 3.0 V6 on the street or is it just a track only car ??
Either way, have fun, stay safe and keep us posted. I wish you the best of luck breaking in to the 13 sec range of which I am sure you will do this year.

Regards
Chuck

:eyebrows:

[93sundance]

It used to be a daily driver, but it is now a drag car since the body is starting to fall apart. I realize a 1.7 60 ft would not be easy to get, but I believe it is possible with this motor. I could be wrong, and I am definetly not expecting it, that is just what I think based on my experience with this platform. I know it can do 1.8s though. Even a 1.8X would put me at 13.8 - 13.9s.

[93sundance]

Yep, very respectable. Heck, I have way more time and money involved and he's nipping at my heels, :(


Well, your race weight is probably about 800 lbs more than mine though. If I had your kind of power in the Sundance, I'd most likely be running 12s

:thumb:

Josh

[CSX321]

225/50/15 yokohama AVS ES 100 w/ 280 treadwear. If I balanced the front end weight, and get some air shocks so I can stop the one wheel peels, I'm sure they would work good. Right now I am having major traction issues. I know 2.1 60 fts are not bad, but this thing has enough torque to pull 1.7s.
Get a package of rubber spring inserts from the parts store (meant for stiffening and/or lifting trucks) and experiment with putting them in the rear springs. I ended up with 4 on the driver's side and 2 on the passenger's side of my CSX. That balanced the weight enough to let me lay down two strips of rubber.

I have AVS ES100s on the CSX, too. There are a lot better tires available, but the Yokos are a decent tire for the price. If you want to spend a lot more, I really like the Toyo T1-S tires I have on my SRT4. They've been discontinued now, but replaced with the T1-R.

[r00tcause]

Funny sig Sean, This way you have all the bases covered for your post if you forget a smiley... That is very respectable for an N/a car. Beats 75% of the TD's folks on the board drive.

I never said it wasnt "fast for a duster" because it is. I merely disputed that it "would motivate the 3.0 group". :)

I am just giving the guy a hard time.

My sig was just me being lazy when I went to think of a sig!!

[r00tcause]

My older son use to race a 91 Shadow America with a 2.2 TBI 5-speed. We had a 2.5" diameter exhaust with a downpipe and a Walker Muffler. When he uncapped the car it went .14 to .17 quicker compared to being capped up. He raced it every weekend and finished 3rd in points two years ago.

It ran a best of:

.500
2.342
6.902
10.730
64.65
13.979
16.942
78.66

Regards
Chuck


FYI I was just refferring to the fact that N/A cars need backpressure.

[r00tcause]

I am running full 2.5" exhaust w/ high flow cat and a 2 chamber muffler. The track I was just at doesn't have a scale. The one I was at on Saturday does. On saturday, the car was gutted except for the dash, and according to their scale, it weighed in at 2600 - 2650 (cant remember exactly) with me in the car. I weigh 230, so that is hard to believe, but I guess it is possible. I pulled the dash, and the whole climate control system out before I raced last night. I will have to take more pictures of my car now that it is gutted. The engine looks the same as in the pics on my site. I want to have some pics taken and videos made of me racing.

That weight sounds accurate for a gutted sundance to me.

[r00tcause]

225/50/15 yokohama AVS ES 100 w/ 280 treadwear. If I balanced the front end weight, and get some air shocks so I can stop the one wheel peels, I'm sure they would work good. Right now I am having major traction issues. I know 2.1 60 fts are not bad, but this thing has enough torque to pull 1.7s.

You'll never pull 1.7's on street tires in a FWD car. (ok well never say NEVER because you could jack up the rear and balance the front and do all sorts of tricks that make it not driveable on the street) However, in GENERAL, it isn't gonna happen on street tires. Your current 60's are *excellent* for street tires. I wouldn't expect much more from it.

[GLHSKEN]

Agreed!!! 2.1x is a GREAT 60' on streets. I pull 2.1x with my GTX regularly (best 2.07) and am happy as hell

[r00tcause]

Agreed!!! 2.1x is a GREAT 60' on streets. I pull 2.1x with my GTX regularly (best 2.07) and am happy as hell

I'll be pulling 1.7's soon though. (awd) hehe

My best street tire 60ft in a TD was 2.06 with no balancing or mods to the rear. I was never able to repeat it. :) The car pulled 2.20's 98% of the time.

[93sundance]

I know, I mean 1.7s on slicks. I'd be very very happy to see 1.9s on street tires. Last year I did 2.037 on falken tires with a 360 tread wear.





You'll never pull 1.7's on street tires in a FWD car. (ok well never say NEVER because you could jack up the rear and balance the front and do all sorts of tricks that make it not driveable on the street) However, in GENERAL, it isn't gonna happen on street tires. Your current 60's are *excellent* for street tires. I wouldn't expect much more from it.

[Marcus86GLHS]

1.7 sec. 60 foot times in a 2600 pound car is a great goal, you will need about 320+ hp to achieve that, remember 60 foot times are not "free", the capability of any car to accelerate to a 60 foot distance is a function of hp/weight and traction efficiency.

and great job with your car those ET's are very fast.

[93sundance]

I doubt It needs 320 hp. the 3.0L has a very low torque curve. I was launching at 1500 RPM and pulling 2.0 60 fts. Also keep in mind, the race weight is 2600 lbs or less. I know my car could do at least 1.8s

[Marcus86GLHS]

excellent results for sure.....a 1.7 sec 60 ft time is a far cry from a 2.0 sec 60 ft time.

your timeslip data show trap speeds about 97, and race weight of 2600, so thats about 185 hp at the tires.

but hey the fun is in the trying i always say.

[93sundance]

Yeah, I'd say 185 WHP is about right. You could be right about it not being capable of 1.7s, but who knows. It will be fun to see what it can do with some M&H 23X7.5 slicks. unfortunatly, I might not be able to afford slicks this year. there are too many things that are higher up on the priority list. But who knows, things change.

[Ondonti]

Hmm, so your race weight must have been less then we thought before. With your supposed weight before you were making 193whp on your slower traps........hehe, I guess the 10:1 pistons dont make much of a difference on the stock cams.

[Ondonti]

btw josh, congrats on the 2.030 60' last night