Got another turbo dodge

[unluckyty]

After a brief period of withdraw:(, from turbo mopar cars. I have a new project:D.
I have always wanted a numbered car, and have taken a liking to the turbo sedans. With that being said I am the new owner of Shelby Lancer # 398. As with the other old turbo cars I have purchased over the years, I have learned to hope for the best but keep my expectation accordingly. I look forward to working on and preserving the Shelby Dodge legacy. More to come. After a quick wash.http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll8/unluckyty92/ShelbyLancer.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll8/unluckyty92/100_4861.jpg


Greg

[Chad T]

Nice! Congrats on the new car.

[omni_840]

lookin good :)

how about some details?

[mcsvt]

Looks to be in really nice condition :thumb:

[xdig]

Nice looking SL. Post more pics though.

[Mario]

Nice red sedan. :)

(I own Greg's old red sedan)

[ShadowFromHell]

looks great. I love the H's and the shelbys are even sweeter. I think the only way I would ever sell my 89 CSX is if I was replacing it with a shelby lancer.

[omni_840]

my wife approves and she hates my GLH :nod:

[unluckyty]

These turbo mopars are just too hard to quite, I should have just keep the R/T, but it is in good hands with Mario. Removed the carpet last night, the smell was terrible inside the car. Floors were better than I expected, some rust on pass side, but driver's side and ebrake cable area good. FOund $2.63 in change, an old cell phone and broken glass, had a window broken at one time. More to come.
Greg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll8/unluckyty92/100_4866.jpghttp://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll8/unluckyty92/100_4867.jpghttp://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll8/unluckyty92/100_4868.jpg

[WickedShelby88]

I'd say you did pretty good. Nice car!

[unluckyty]

Car drove straight and handled well. Heavy oil leak( split turbo return hose) leaking valve cover gasket (both fixed) Plugs changed, timing set.
Compression:
#1 140
#2 125
#3 132
#4 135

A lot yet to do.

Greg

[WickedShelby88]

She is an old car, but at least you've got a pretty solid platform to start with. I like the lancers a lot. I would even wager to say with an updated K frame, Koni's and equal size sway bars it would outhandle the AA body.

[mcsvt]

I see the amps, does it still have the DEX?

[mo' parts]

nice find Greg. Good to see you still foolin with the turbo mopars.
whats your plans for it?

[unluckyty]

I see the amps, does it still have the DEX?


Has the dex, not working. will be removing it and boxing it up.

Greg

[unluckyty]

nice find Greg. Good to see you still foolin with the turbo mopars.
whats your plans for it?

Couldn't stay away, keep it stock looking, like the R/T was. Would like to run consistantly in the 13's on street tires.

Greg

[Mario]

Nice work. You don't waste any time. Thanks for the kind words, too, Greg.

[unluckyty]

Update on cars progress,
Carpet was pulled and cleaned
Floors patch welded, new sound deadening/insulation on floor
Degreased,some of engine
Fixed two more found oil leaks, oil supply line at flex joint by head, and sealed driver's side bolt in side of head.
Changed oil and filter

Went to track for some base runs, before major mods.
Best run, right of the street right on to track:
2.22 60 ft
6.40
9.26
9.91 69.65 mph
12.88
15.49 87.37 mph

automatic, g valve to 13#, stock, including exhaust :(

The g valve made the wold of difference in performance. With stock boost control, the car is really slow to boost up, but once moving boost is responsive. With stock computer control, best mph was only 62.78 1/8 and 82.90 mph 1/4.

Still has a slight oil leak, appears to be rear main seal:faint:

Greg

[blk86trbo]

Sounds like you don't mess around Greg! Hat's off to you, looking forward to reading more about your experience :clap:

[glhs571]

Very nice find, the Shelby Lancer's definetely offer the most room inside and have comfortable seats. I know you will enjoy it, good luck with all your future progess!!

[unluckyty]

Had to pull the engine. The rear main seal was leaking way to much, even after fixing all the other leaks.
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll8/unluckyty92/100_4879.jpg

The can of worms is open now:D.

Greg

[unluckyty]

Very nice find, the Shelby Lancer's definetely offer the most room inside and have comfortable seats. I know you will enjoy it, good luck with all your future progess!!


Talk about room, the R/T I had last was sweet.

Greg

[2.216VTurbo]

I'm not so sure I can get behind this project SL of yours Unlucky. I mean I like it sooo much better when the members here spend weeks (or months) *talking* about what they are 'gonna do':rolleyes: Here you had the interior out like the first 3 days, then the motor gets pulled a few days later all the while you are showing pics of your progress... Yeah it's waaay better the other way;) Kick arse on that thing dude. I've had 2 SL's loved the handling balence and all around versitility on them:amen: I could four wheel drift SL #748 better than any of the L bodies I've owned:eyebrows:

[black86glhs]

I'm not so sure I can get behind this project SL of yours Unlucky. I mean I like it sooo much better when the members here spend weeks (or months) *talking* about what they are 'gonna do':rolleyes: Here you had the interior out like the first 3 days, then the motor gets pulled a few days later all the while you are showing pics of your progress... Yeah it's waaay better the other way;) Kick arse on that thing dude. I've had 2 SL's loved the handling balence and all around versitility on them:amen: I could four wheel drift SL #748 better than any of the L bodies I've owned:eyebrows:Cough...learn to...cough.....drive an...cough....L-body.
















Just kidding Alan.:D Greg, I'm gonna come over and slip you an Ambien or 2.:eyebrows: When your sleep walking, I'll have you sign the title over to me!!!!:evil: I say this because that is the next TM that I want to get. Nice ride, man.:amen:

[Mario]

I'm with you Alan. Greg doesn't seem to waste any time.

[unluckyty]

Started to get back to the work needed for the shelby. New brake power boosterhttp://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll8/unluckyty92/100_4909.jpg

2.5 swing valve and large can actuatorhttp://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll8/unluckyty92/100_4905.jpg

Started to reinstall engine after rear seal replacementhttp://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll8/unluckyty92/100_4910.jpg

Still have to replace rt side axle and exhaust yet.

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll8/unluckyty92/100_4861.jpg

Greg

[cordes]

That looks pretty good. Thanks for taking the time to post up the pics.

[skitzo_inc]

Looking great! You really don't waste time, I applaud you for that! I've had plans for my car for years...and have never really done anything. I'll get around to it...

[unluckyty]

Thanks guys

Worked some more on it lately, put a full 2.5 exhaust on with a cut out, from my old Shadow, only needed about six more inches of pipe to fit the SL.
Installed the axle (again a spare from the shadow).
Vacuum block and new lines, heater/radiator hoses, and battery.
Tranny filter and fluid change atf4, with lube guard additive.

Removed all the trim in the hatch area, in persuit of removing the stinking sound deading, of which mice have made a home at one time.

Tracked down reasons for left turn signal not working,(broken wires by battery) and why headlights didn't work (column high/ low switch contacts broken)
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll8/unluckyty92/100_4936.jpg


http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll8/unluckyty92/100_4934.jpg

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll8/unluckyty92/100_4935.jpg


Soon to go back to the track to see what improvement in times, these slight changes have made.


Greg

[xdig]

That looks pretty good. Thanks for taking the time to post up the pics.

Nice job on the SL and +1 on the pics.

[Vigo]

I love the pace as well.. I can't say its any faster than myself, but i don't post even a third of what i do to my junkers, whereas this makes a good storyline, like my grm aries. :)

The SL bug seems to be infecting me lately, but it'll just have to bide its time while i work on what ive got.. in the meantime i can check out this thread and feel like im practically there :p

[turbokid]

Nice find.
I love h-bodies

[unluckyty]

New track times with just the new 2.5 swingvalve and exhaust cut out:

2.22 60ft
6.312
9.126
9.760 1/8
70.98 mph
12.697
15.262 1/4
88.39

quite abit warmer weather this time too.

Base runs,
Best run, right of the street right on to track:
2.22 60 ft
6.40
9.26
9.91 69.65 mph
12.88
15.49 87.37 mph

automatic, g valve to 13#, stock, including exhaust

Greg

[Vigo]

nice, keep us updated :)

[turbokid]

Wow that isnt too bad of numbers.
Get a larger exhaust. I wanna see with just an exhaust upgrade if you can stretch it into the 14's.
Unlikely but I am an optimist

[Vigo]

that was an exhaust upgrade... 2.5" sv and an open cutout. Doesnt get much better without spending a lot more money.

he could run 14s on slicks but realistically 88mph is a 15 second trap speed, to put it a certain way. Still cool:thumb:

[unluckyty]

Newest up date. Installed the upgrades, 255 wabro, +40's,afpr, FWDP stage 4 lm and 3 bar map sensor.

With the fuel pressure set to 50# car started right up and idled great. Went for a drive to get fuel and small cruise. Drivability was great.

Out of the few TD's I have owned the SL has received the most complements:).

Still have to drive to Jegs and get my 30/30 boost gauge, then back to the track next week.

Thanks for your interest, Greg

[Mario]

Great to hear! I'm surprised at the interest and compliments I get on the R/T. A lot of people recognize it surprisingly as opposed to my L-Bodies where people just say WTF is that?

[unluckyty]

Track results with new mods. 12# of boost in first gear, 15# in 2nd and 3rd. Steet tires, full exhaust.
Have a noticable boost leak, I have to find. Thought I had it found with a leaking talon blow off valve, I was running, but guess not. Transmission was slow to shift into 3rd at full throttle.

2.26 60'
6.19
8.89
9.49@73.98 mph
12.31
14.78@92.59 mph

May start to freshen up transmission next, shift kit+ Alto clutches and steels.

Greg

[Mario]

Great job. You really don't waste any time man.

[2.216VTurbo]

Track results with new mods. 12# of boost in first gear, 15# in 2nd and 3rd. Steet tires, full exhaust.
Have a noticable boost leak, I have to find. Thought I had it found with a leaking talon blow off valve, I was running, but guess not. Transmission was slow to shift into 3rd at full throttle.

2.26 60'
6.19
8.89
9.49@73.98 mph
12.31
14.78@92.59 mph

May start to freshen up transmission next, shift kit+ Alto clutches and steels.

Greg

Check your charcoal cannister if you've looked everywhere else for that leak, the lids can pop off and they have a pretty sizeable vac line leading to them. Nice progress, stay after it:thumb:

[unluckyty]

Thanks everyone for your interest, on my SL.

Charcoal cannister is out of the picture, when I put new vacuum lines on with a block. Did have one blow off, on my first TM though.

Put my leak tester on looking for the leak. It is coming from my pcv setup. Since I went to a cone filter on the turbo, the line that normally ran to the air box, I now have on a small air compressor moisture separator as a catch can.

Greg

[unluckyty]

Messed with Shelby a little bit more tonight. Cranked the boost controller up another couple turns, now at 16-17# boost.

I have an older G-tech that has alway been pretty accurate on 1/4 miles times, but usually off by a couple mph on the + side.
clicked of a 14.19@99.8

Usually, if I really push the limits of the stock turbo, I have achieved low 13 sec times, as I have done previous, with non L- body cars.

Greg

[Vigo]

I had the same experience with my older gtech. It was usually 3mph high for me, on slower cars than yours.

The thing i am amazed about, is that you dropped 4 tenths and gained 4 mph from a 15 second car with basically just a cal? (considering +40s, fpr, 3bar dont make power) That seems impressive.

If you are indeed running low 14s on a mostly stock motor in a 3000 lb auto car on 17psi, thats damn cool.

Keep it up! :D

[unluckyty]

New times for the SL.

2.15 60'
5.97 330'
8.57 594'
9.17 1/8 @ 76.15 mph
11.90 1000'
14.30 1/4 @95.12 mph

Street tires 2.5 exhaust, FWD Stage 4, 14/15# boost 1st, 2nd, 17# 3rd. Stock tranny w/ a superior shift kit.

[2.216VTurbo]

Nice progress:clap: Updated into the 'drag times' thread?

[jerseymike68]

Great information here

[unluckyty]

Just an update,
Last fall, driving home from the track the head gasket went between 3-4. I parked it for the winter. This spring I took the head to the machine shop to get resurfaced, was burned/scared between 3-4. Only to tell me the head was junk, several cracks in head.

Got a new cylinder head :Dfrom Chuck(BIG PSI). Checked, cleaned, lapped the valves, seals and installed. Now this is a G head 287, but has been resurfaced .018 and now has a roller cam. Just set base timing, cars seems runs and fine, with the FWDP stage 3 cal for 782 swirl head. Have to get a timing light, as mine died, to twik it.

Hope fully get to the track some numbers.

Greg

[BIG PSI]

Just an update,
Last fall, driving home from the track the head gasket went between 3-4. I parked it for the winter. This spring I took the head to the machine shop to get resurfaced, was burned/scared between 3-4. Only to tell me the head was junk, several cracks in head.

Got a new cylinder head :Dfrom Chuck(BIG PSI). Checked, cleaned, lapped the valves, seals and installed. Now this is a G head 287, but has been resurfaced .018 and now has a roller cam. Just set base timing, cars seems runs and fine, with the FWDP stage 3 cal for 782 swirl head. Have to get a timing light, as mine died, to twik it.

Hope fully get to the track some numbers.

Greg

You go Greg !!!!!!!!!
Dang he was just up here buying the head from me.
He already had the head reworked and bolted on.
This man is FAST !!!!!!!

Keep us posted and good luck with the 13's on DOTs

Chuck

[Vigo]

Ive heard a lot about the timing differences between the 782 and g head cals.. if you dont have an EGT i wouldnt simply put complete faith in it working correctly.. probably better to get a g-head cal :)

Keep up the good work.

[unluckyty]

Will eventually get different cal, if needed. My understanding was a "G" head run with a swirl cal /pistons would be safe to run, as the G head needed more timing to make the same power.

Worst case car would be down on power, but could run more boost. But more timing needs to be added across the range with a cal.

Greg

[unluckyty]

Took it for a short drive today 30 miles, ran great. Pulls 18" of vacuum at 900 rpm idle. easily cruises up hills still in vacuum. Running 14-15# boost for now.

Greg

[unluckyty]

Well hit the track tonight. Times were surprisingly close, with the 287 G head.

2.20 60'
6.01 330'
8.61 594'
9.19 1/8 @ 76.54 mph
11.93 1000'
14.33 1/4 @ 94.16 mph

782 swirl head
2.15 60'
5.97 330'
8.57 594'
9.17 1/8 @ 76.15 mph
11.90 1000'
14.30 1/4 @95.12 mph

The G head was shaved .018. Started to hear some slight detonation at any boost over 15#. I have a copper shim, unsure thickness, that I''ll throw on next. Would really like to run 18-20# boost and hit the 13's.

Greg

[BIG PSI]

Not bad numbers, especially on street tires.

If you are going next Tuesday I may come up and race the Woody Mini.

Chuck

[unluckyty]

Not bad numbers, especially on street tires.

If you are going next Tuesday I may come up and race the Woody Mini.

Chuck

Possibly go this Fri nite. I have a couple things to look at on the car yet.
Reset the ignition timing, and seems to be running better.

Greg

[unluckyty]

Car ran better, with timing se t to 12^, but not as well as I had hoped. Still didn't like any boost above 17-18#.

New best though.

2.10 60'
5.87 330'
8.46 594'
9.04 1/8 @ 76.91 mph
11.77 1000'
14.14 1/4 @ 94.75 mph

Last up date for a while, till I make some changes to the SL.

Greg

[BIG PSI]

Greg,

Have you ever weighed the SL ?
If so what does it weigh in at ?
What tires are you using on the front for traction ?

14.14 is a great time on a Street Car running DOT's.

Chuck

[unluckyty]

Chuck,
I don't remember ever weighing it, I usually do that when I am at Norwalk, I don't think I have raced the SL there. I'd guess around 3,000 or so.

Tires are Kuhmo radials 205/60/15.

D42 was dead tonight.

Greg

[woodyaz]

wow need five posts

[woodyaz]

to send a note

[woodyaz]

to someone

[woodyaz]

i guess

[woodyaz]

this should work

[unluckyty]

Just to update this car, while working on the SL lately, I decided to freshen up the engine for my attempt to break into the 13's on street tires with stock turbo. So I did a quick hone,rod bearings, rings and switch to a one piece VC and intake. When I pulled the head I noticed I was running a round tooth cam sprocket on my square tooth set up. I know this is not to be done, but I had missed it last year.
Car daily drove good, started, idled good, and got 23-24 mpg( good I feel for a 3 speed auto) This explains the issue I was having with the boost.

Car ran better, with timing se t to 12^, but not as well as I had hoped. Still didn't like any boost above 17-18#.

New best though.

2.10 60'
5.87 330'
8.46 594'
9.04 1/8 @ 76.91 mph
11.77 1000'
14.14 1/4 @ 94.75 mph

Last up date for a while, till I make some changes to the SL.

Greg
These time were with the frankenstein set up, and are unexpectedly good times. Now I have swapped in a turbo 782 head, and can boost more.
This is soley for reference, and in regaurds to my SL epilog, and is in no way a suggested combo, but crazy it worked as well as it did.
I like to race, work and drive these cars, and take my own responsibilty for breakage, wrenching, etc, as I have space, equipment and another vehicle to drive.
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll8/unluckyty92/100_5546.jpg

New combo times to come soon.

Greg

[Orangetona]

Never saw this thread before. Very nice times! And a nicer car haha. :)

[2.216VTurbo]

So wait a sec Greg, you had a square tooth belt, crank and I shaft gear and a round tooth cam sprocket and it ran fine for 1000's of miles, did a few track days and never ate a belt or skipped time??:confused: Whoa, never woulda thought that would work for more than a few miles. You may as well leave it set up that way then right:lol:?

[unluckyty]

Not a lot of miles, may be 1500, did't drive it over the winter. Only really notable problem was unable to boost.

[coronet2fast]

Nice SL there. What track do you normally run at?

[Juggy]

So wait a sec Greg, you had a square tooth belt, crank and I shaft gear and a round tooth cam sprocket and it ran fine for 1000's of miles, did a few track days and never ate a belt or skipped time??:confused: Whoa, never woulda thought that would work for more than a few miles. You may as well leave it set up that way then right:lol:?

works great actually. i ran a round tooth adjustable cam gear on my 87 TII setup for almost 2 years daily driving......running it other other way, your asking for problems!

[ShadowFromHell]

doesnt running a round tooth cam sproket on a square tooth setup advance the cam a bit?

[Orangetona]

Adding to that question, does a square gear on an 89 2.5 TI roller make it stupid? Or retard it? However you'd like to say it. :)

[unluckyty]

Nice SL there. What track do you normally run at?

Thanks, usually dragway42, sometime Norwalk
.

Greg

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Never saw this thread before. Very nice times! And a nicer car haha. :)

Thanks, I know the use of different cam use has had plenty of info, but the car actually did suprisingly ok.

Greg

[unluckyty]

Trying to get motivated today. Car began to start to smoke on decel and increasingly at idle( blue, I was burning oil).
Checked the usual oil problems. Valve stem seals, turbo seals, both OK. removed head, and gasket was tweeked by the front oil passage @ #4 cylinder. Allowing oil to get into #4 and as a bonus into the coolant.
Oil in coolant, no coolant in oil good.
Going to put it back together today and get back on the road.

Greg

[unluckyty]

While putting car back together, setting timing, I was un able to get the timing mark in the torque converter to line up with 0 at tdc.
The flex plate is cracked. had been making noise, but I believed it was the metal plate bent hitting the bolts. I had moved the spacer so it would not hit the bolts, and all seemed well, well now Í can move the flexplate by hand.


Greg

[unluckyty]

Sheared it off almost perfectly. Car was making noise when first kicking over the starter to, but would go away when running.
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll8/unluckyty92/100_5549.jpghttp://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll8/unluckyty92/100_5551.jpg

I can't win, good thing my user name fits.

Greg

[Vigo]

Common problem. That happened to me on my very first k-car when i was 16. At least the things are really cheap.

[bris09]

Sheared it off almost perfectly. Car was making noise when first kicking over the starter to, but would go away when running.
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll8/unluckyty92/100_5549.jpghttp://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll8/unluckyty92/100_5551.jpg

I can't win, good thing my user name fits.

Greg


I'm afraid I might be in the same boat. Every once in awhile it will make a God awful banging noise when you start it or crack the throttle real quick. The sound is coming from the bellhousing area and the engine seems to be a fresh rebuilt. Shame they didn't notice the cam moves side to side. I'll find out once I replace the head and get the rust issues fixed. Mine is #527 and it is not in anywhere near as nice of shape as yours but the price was right and it has really grown on me.

[cordes]

I hear the best fix for those flex plates is a 5 speed.

[shackwrrr]

you have to watch where you buy them. I got one from oreilley's and it was considerably thicker than the one that was on the car.

[bris09]

cordes, I did that with the 89 Daytona I have. I don't know about Greg but I can't bring myself to hack up a numbered car like that. It started its life as an automatic and as long as I have it, it will stay an automatic.

[cordes]

cordes, I did that with the 89 Daytona I have. I don't know about Greg but I can't bring myself to hack up a numbered car like that. It started its life as an automatic and as long as I have it, it will stay an automatic.

I can understand that.

[unluckyty]

My definitely was making the loud sound when kicking the starter over.

This one is staying an auto, for my lazy daily driver.(the GLH will be my 5 speed terror)

Getting a flexplate from advanced auto tomorrow, hope it is a thicker one.

Greg

[shackwrrr]

Ill measure the thickness of the oreilleys one tomarrow and post it up so you can compare.

[unluckyty]

New flexplate, from Advanced, is thinner than the one that broke. Will see how it will hold up.
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll8/unluckyty92/100_5551.jpg

Now time to move attention to the GLH.

Greg

[shackwrrr]

New flexplate, from Advanced, is thinner than the one that broke. Will see how it will hold up.
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll8/unluckyty92/100_5551.jpg

Now time to move attention to the GLH.

Greg

Forgot about this thread, Just measured that oreilley's one and its about .112 thick.

[unluckyty]

Thanks, I'll have to measure mine to compare.

Greg

[unluckyty]

old one measured .117. Unknows new one, istalled before I measured, but it was thinner.

Greg

[unluckyty]

Worked on the SL some today. Used up the left over lizard skin from the GLH-T, and sprayed the spare tire well and hatch area, to quiet down the road noise hopefully. rust free and looked great http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll8/unluckyty92/100_5606.jpg

Forgot to snap an after pick before I put it back together, anyhow-
Tore the engine down to try to fix my oil burning problem, going to do a ball hone, and try to get a better ring seat, and put an oil pump in too.

Wanted to have the engine in the GLH by now, but the SL was needing some attention while I wait on parts.

Greg