SBEC Chip Converter Group Buy

[quantum]

Ok here is the group buy for the SBEC Chip Converter (discussed in this thread (http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35474)). This converter will allow you to use the same electronic erase chips the SMEC uses (AT29C256, 27SF512, etc) which saves the hastle/cost of UV erasing. This also allows the use of a chip emulator like the Ostrich (http://www.moates.net/product_info.php?cPath=50&products_id=169) in SBEC cars for real time tuning (It should also work in SBEC II cars, but I have not tested it. If you have a socketed SBEC II and are willing to test please PM me). There is also a open socket that will allow the use of M87C257 chips if you already have them and would like to use those along with electronic erase chips or an emulator.

Like most group buy's the more ordered the lower the price, but unlike most group buy's if I can get over a certian limit the time to get the order drops.

I need at least 10 orders to start. The price for 10-30 orders is ~$35 and lead time is about 1-1.5 months. If I can get over 30 the lead time drops down to 2-3 weeks. Also with 30-90 the price drop down to ~$33. If by some miracle more than 90 people are interested the price drops to ~$25. The prices shouldn't vary by more than $1 and I didn't include shipping in that price (it's small and light, shipping shouldn't be much).

I'm not sure about a deposit yet; I'm talking with Turbos Unleashed about having them on their site. It all really depends on responce.

Please post only if you are ready to purchase one. First person please start a list. (eg; post "1. :your username:", next person 2, etc)

Thank you.

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[jl93sundance]

jl93sundance- let me know where to send the money

[AzShadow]

2. Azshadow



I already have an ostrich and i pretty much ruined my chip socketing my SBEC so my car is just sitting now. I hope we can get some people on this...would like that lead time to go down a little.

Anyways, i really don't wanna buy a burner, chips and eraser and all that stuff to get my car running again so i'm willing to pay more if need be....

Thanks!

[turbovanman²]

3-turbovanman.

[inmyshadow]

I'm interested, but hesitnated. I have 5 SBEC eproms and a UV eraser already.

Before I lay out more money on chips and parts, I'd like to know and understand how a Ostrich will work for me.

[turbovanman²]

I'm interested, but hesitnated. I have 5 SBEC eproms and a UV eraser already.

Before I lay out more money on chips and parts, I'd like to know and understand how a Ostrich will work for me.

You can change your cal on the fly or for me, I just change my cal at home and at work on my computers, I drive it home, tweak it, then note the change, tweak and drive home again after work. Awesome unit. :thumb:

[1FastCSX289]

You can change your cal on the fly or for me, I just change my cal at home and at work on my computers, I drive it home, tweak it, then note the change, tweak and drive home again after work. Awesome unit. :thumb:

And you can tweak from the drivers seat rather than pulling the SBEC, opening it up, and replacing the chip each time you swap cals. Now that ive got the convertor, I need to save up some doh for the ostrich!

[Sloride]

Im in.

And am nice enough to make a easy copy list.... i deserve a cookie

1 jl93sundance
2 Azshadow
3 turbovanman.
4 Sloride

[quantum]

Im in.

And am nice enough to make a easy copy list.... i deserve a cookie

1 jl93sundance
2 Azshadow
3 turbovanman.
4 Sloride

Thanks :thumb:



Oh...here is your cookie.
http://www.chocolaterewards.com/img/chocolate-chip-cookie_01.jpg

[Sloride]

mmmm....


http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll150/Ryanclem1/bite.jpg

[turbovanman²]

And you can tweak from the drivers seat rather than pulling the SBEC, opening it up, and replacing the chip each time you swap cals. Now that ive got the convertor, I need to save up some doh for the ostrich!

That's what I said, ;)

You don't have to open the case if you get the chip extender, which ironically, uses the same cable as the Ostrich, :nod:

[quantum]

If I don't get at least 10 orders I can still make them for few people who want them. At the most the price would jump $10. Hopefully that wont be the case though.

[turbovanman²]

If I don't get at least 10 orders I can still make them for few people who want them. At the most the price would jump $10. Hopefully that wont be the case though.

I'll still take one. :thumb:

[Sloride]

whatever you can do to get these to market would be greatly appreciated.

It helps put us on equal footing with the smec-ers.... I believe it to be a better option then rewiring to a smec.

[jl93sundance]

If I don't get at least 10 orders I can still make them for few people who want them. At the most the price would jump $10. Hopefully that wont be the case though.

I'll still take one as well

["_"]

I might be interested, although I'll need it asap (one month-ish) ! If one were to pay sayyyy 100.00 for it could they get it a lot sooner and lower the needed GB purchases?

[mcsvt]

I'll get on the list also.

1 jl93sundance
2 Azshadow
3 turbovanman.
4 Sloride
5 mcsvt

[quantum]

I might be interested, although I'll need it asap (one month-ish) ! If one were to pay sayyyy 100.00 for it could they get it a lot sooner and lower the needed GB purchases?

The min order to get them quickly is around $550. So far I have 6 People if I include you who commited to buy (at $35). That means everyone would need to pay out about $92. If everyone is ok with that and will pay a deposit I'll order them. If that doesn't happen I'll order from the slower cheaper place Monday so those who want them now will not have to wait more than necessary.

[turbo84voyager]

Add me in there for 1 at the $35 rate


1 jl93sundance
2 Azshadow
3 turbovanman.
4 Sloride
5 mcsvt
6 turbo84voyager

Let me know where to send the money.

Justin

[pauly_no_van]

7 pauly_no_van

ready when you are! 33 35 whatever!

[AzShadow]

sweet looks like people are grtting excited about this! Can't wait :thumb:

[turbovanman²]

The min order to get them quickly is around $550. So far I have 6 People if I include you who commited to buy (at $35). That means everyone would need to pay out about $92. If everyone is ok with that and will pay a deposit I'll order them. If that doesn't happen I'll order from the slower cheaper place Monday so those who want them now will not have to wait more than necessary.

I am in no rush, so I can wait for the cheaper price, :thumb:

[rx2mazda]

count me in

8?

["_"]

Sorry folks I cannot do this right now. I need to do other things first and foremost. :o

[Bubba]

I'm in for one!

[jl93sundance]

:clap2::clap2: we got 10!

[AzShadow]

sweeeeeet!:nod: Let me know when and where to send the money

[quantum]

I ordered the first batch of boards. Cost is $35 + $6 for shipping for a $41 total; please send payment to quantum_kid@hotmail.com through paypal or PM me if you need my mailing address. Please make sure you include your address.

Also, was anyone planning on using the socket for the current 87C257 chips? If not and you just want it for the electronic erase and Ostrich ability please post here or put it in your order. If no one is going to use that on the board (It really isn't necessary, if you have a socketed SBEC you can just remove the board and put a 87C257 chip in) I may remove it. Thanks everyone.

ANYONE ELSE WHO WANTS ONE OF THESE AND IS NOT PART OF THE ORIGINAL 10 DO NOT SEND ME MONEY. Start a new list instead.

[Bubba]

I'll still be using the 87C257 chips until later on when I get the money for the Ostrich.

[jl93sundance]

I'll get my payment to you this friday:thumb:

[mcsvt]

Sent you some money Chris.

[AzShadow]

Money sent!

-Austin

[turbo84voyager]

payment sent.....

[jl93sundance]

I sent my payment today, just curious how soon will these be done?

[quantum]

I sent my payment today, just curious how soon will these be done?

Usually the boards from this place take 3-4 weeks. Once I get them I'll put them together and ship in a day or two. So plan on a month or a bit more. I'll post up once I receive the boards.

[zin]

OK, just caught the thread, but I'm in for one. $$ sent.

Mike

[quantum]

OK, just caught the thread, but I'm in for one. $$ sent.

Mike

Ok, I have one for you. That said;


ANYONE ELSE WHO WANTS ONE OF THESE AND IS NOT PART OF THE ORIGINAL 10 DO NOT SEND ME MONEY. Start a new list instead.

[zin]

Ok, I have one for you. That said;


ANYONE ELSE WHO WANTS ONE OF THESE AND IS NOT PART OF THE ORIGINAL 10 DO NOT SEND ME MONEY. Start a new list instead.

Thanks for letting me in on the deal.

Mike

[turbovanman²]

I ordered the first batch of boards. Cost is $35 + $6 for shipping for a $41 total; please send payment to quantum_kid@hotmail.com through paypal or PM me if you need my mailing address. Please make sure you include your address.

Also, was anyone planning on using the socket for the current 87C257 chips? If not and you just want it for the electronic erase and Ostrich ability please post here or put it in your order. If no one is going to use that on the board (It really isn't necessary, if you have a socketed SBEC you can just remove the board and put a 87C257 chip in) I may remove it. Thanks everyone.

ANYONE ELSE WHO WANTS ONE OF THESE AND IS NOT PART OF THE ORIGINAL 10 DO NOT SEND ME MONEY. Start a new list instead.

So after we are done with the Ostrich, i can burn a 87C257, or what's the deal?

I'll have you paid by the end of the week, :thumb:

[quantum]

So after we are done with the Ostrich, i can burn a 87C257, or what's the deal?

I'll have you paid by the end of the week, :thumb:

The 87C257 is the chip socketed SBEC's natively use. With this converter plugged into the socket you can use a 27C256 electronic erase chips or the Ostrich. I can build the converter with an extra socket which should allow the use of 87C257 chips with out removing the converter or I can leave it out and you would just need to remove the converter to use the 87C257 chips. It's really six of one or a half dozen of another. The reason I am debating not having the extra socket is because it is much harder to solder and the extra socket isn't ZIF so you would most likely need to remove the converter to put in a 87C257 chip and then you may as well use the socket on the SBEC. So in the end the extra socket is superfluous and that is why I am going back and forth about including it.

[Bubba]

Don't need the extra socket then if it's that much of a deal.

[zin]

Don't need the extra socket then if it's that much of a deal.

+1 :thumb:

Mike

[turbovanman²]

The 87C257 is the chip socketed SBEC's natively use. With this converter plugged into the socket you can use a 27C256 electronic erase chips or the Ostrich. I can build the converter with an extra socket which should allow the use of 87C257 chips with out removing the converter or I can leave it out and you would just need to remove the converter to use the 87C257 chips. It's really six of one or a half dozen of another. The reason I am debating not having the extra socket is because it is much harder to solder and the extra socket isn't ZIF so you would most likely need to remove the converter to put in a 87C257 chip and then you may as well use the socket on the SBEC. So in the end the extra socket is superfluous and that is why I am going back and forth about including it.

I only need it for one vehicle so I'll be using the 256 chip. :thumb:

[jl93sundance]

+3 i'm only going to be using EEproms and later on maybe ostrich.

[rosie]

8 rosie

[rosie]

8 rosie

soooo I'm a little late I'm guessing....

Next time...

[quantum]

Still waiting on the boards guys. I'll post up again when they arrive.

[moparzrule]

9. Moparzrule!

[quantum]

Boards came in tonight and parts should arrive tomorrow. I'll put them together and get them out. Everyone who has paid will get an email when I ship out your board. Thanks for your patience guys.

[moparzrule]

Chris, if you have an extra one for me PM me how to pay you...or I can meet up with you and do cash if you want.
Or do I need to wait for the next batch?

[quantum]

Parts arrived and the boards are together. If you have paid; your converter in the mail as of this morning. For the three who have not paid yet; I'll hold your converters for a few weeks for you.

On a separate note. For anyone who didn't get in on the group buy and still wants one of these FWD Performance (http://www.fwdperformance.com/) will now be carrying them so you can buy directly from them in a few weeks.

Thanks everyone and I hope you have a lot of fun tuning with these.

[pauly_no_van]

Thank YouThank YouThank YouThank YouThank You !

[jl93sundance]

Thanks:thumb:

[AzShadow]

Sweeet! cant wait to get my car running again

[Sloride]

cool.

[pauly_no_van]

:thumb:got mine today

[Bubba]

Received mine. Thanks!

[mcsvt]

Got mine today also, looks great can't wait to put it to use.

[jl93sundance]

Got mine as well, looks good:thumb: Thanks again.

[zin]

Got mine yesterday too! Very nice, professional even!;)

Mike

[JamesL]

As soon as we receive our shipment we will be adding them to our store so that we can keep these kinds of innovations available to everyone. As the exclusive dealer of this product we are excited about working with Chris towards continual improvement of the offering and the possibility of new ones. Chris deserves a pat on the back for addressing the need and bringing a solid product to market at an affordable price; A price we intend to maintain. We thank you Chris for bringing us in as your preferred retailer to serve the larger market.

[Sloride]

^
Excellent.
Are you by chance selling socketed sbec's???


theres the possiblity that i just torched mine....:( I couldn't get it working, getting 1 check engine flash, no fuel prime, Im hoping its cause of my shoddy sodering job on my board... ) noticed the back of the converter has a black mark near 2 of the pins on the back side.

[quantum]

^
Excellent.
Are you by chance selling socketed sbec's???


theres the possiblity that i just torched mine....:( I couldn't get it working, getting 1 check engine flash, no fuel prime, Im hoping its cause of my shoddy sodering job on my board... ) noticed the back of the converter has a black mark near 2 of the pins on the back side.

If you want to mail it back to me I'll give it a check up or send me an email and I'll let you know a few things you can check with a multimeter if you want to.

[pauly_no_van]

If you want to mail it back to me I'll give it a check up or send me an email and I'll let you know a few things you can check with a multimeter if you want to.

Hey,

can you tell me how to meter mine?
here is the trouble referenced....
http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37541

Thanks!

[quantum]

Hey,

can you tell me how to meter mine?
here is the trouble referenced....
http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37541

Thanks!

I hope I didn't miss a solder on your or Sloride's. There is one part that was a bit hard to do so it is possible.

Here is a quick how to test:

Using a multimeter test for resistance between the following pins:

Pin Header , Latch, Socket
1 , 11 ,
2 , , 2
3 , 9 ,
4 , 8 ,
5 , 7 ,
6 , 6 ,
7 , 5 ,
8 , 4 ,
9 , 3 ,
10 , 2 ,
11 , , 11
12 , , 12
13 , , 13
14 ,1+10, 14
15 , , 15
16 , , 16
17 , , 17
18 , , 18
19 , , 19
20 , , 20
21 , , 21
22 , , 22
23 , , 23
24 , , 24
25 , , 25
26 , , 26
27 , , 27
28 , 20 , 1+28
, 12 , 3
, 13 , 4
, 14 , 5
, 15 , 6
, 16 , 7
, 17 , 8
, 18 , 9
, 19 , 10

Pin one for the pin header and the socket is in the upper right for both (looking down at the top), pin one for the latch is in the lower left. Pins count up going down the row from pin one and then switch sides and go up the opposite direction (1-10 on one side and then opposite 10 is 11 and count up to 20 on the other).

Honestly I hope I didn't miss a solder, but if I did please mail it back and I will fix it. The next time I order these I think I'm going to remove that tricky solder joint.

Edit: Looks like all my formating was removed in the post. If you don't understand the list above PM me your email address and I will send it seperatly.

[quantum]

I'm working with both Sloride and Paul with their issues. It looks like I may have receieved a few boards with bad traces. If anyone else with one has an issue please contact me. I'll be testing all the boards I send to FWD so any they sell will have not have an issue. Sorry for the trouble; it's actually very embarassing.

[Sloride]

its okay, everybody poops.
It all depends how you wipe.
:evil:

[pauly_no_van]

Innovation has its hurdles... :D

[quantum]

Alright I built a test rig today so I can test the boards easily. If your board doesn't work or even if you have not tried it yet and want to get it checked; PM me and I'll send you my mailing address. Ship it to me USPS priority mail and after I’ve checked it I'll send it back along with a refund of your shipping costs. I'm very sorry for the inconvenience and I hope this doesn't dissuade you from working with me again if the opportunity arises. Thanks for your patience.

[jl93sundance]

I'll check mine tomorrow, I just got my sbec socketed tonight:thumb:

[mcsvt]

Chris any chance you want to check my board and socket my SBEC... I've decided I'm the worst solderer ever... If not no worries :)

[pauly_no_van]

mine's in the mail :D

[turbovanman²]

Alright I built a test rig today so I can test the boards easily. If your board doesn't work or even if you have not tried it yet and want to get it checked; PM me and I'll send you my mailing address. Ship it to me USPS priority mail and after I’ve checked it I'll send it back along with a refund of your shipping costs. I'm very sorry for the inconvenience and I hope this doesn't dissuade you from working with me again if the opportunity arises. Thanks for your patience.

Sh*t happens, if mine is bad, I'll pay shipping, speciality products have hurdles, ;)

[jl93sundance]

I tested it today and all I got was the fuel pump to kick on really fast and turn off and the tach to jump when I turned the ignition key to on. No check engine light or start. My solders look good on the socket, maybe I burned a bad chip, i'll try again tomorrow and report back:thumb:.

[1FastCSX289]

Been driving almost daily with mine and no probs. :thumb:

[Sloride]

Chris any chance you want to check my board and socket my SBEC... I've decided I'm the worst solderer ever... If not no worries :)

I think i can rival you for that crown.



I tested it today and all I got was the fuel pump to kick on really fast and turn off and the tach to jump when I turned the ignition key to on. No check engine light or start. My solders look good on the socket, maybe I burned a bad chip, i'll try again tomorrow and report back.

thats what mine did

[jl93sundance]

thats what mine did

Does your sbec work with old chips just in the socket? I don't have any uv chips to burn to to check my sbec.

If so, looks like that the converter might be the issue, no biggie though.

[Sloride]

Does your sbec work with old chips just in the socket? I don't have any uv chips to burn to to check my sbec.

If so, looks like that the converter might be the issue, no biggie though.

lol
I was going to ask you the same question.

I also dont have any chips

[jl93sundance]

lol
I was going to ask you the same question.

I also dont have any chips

hmm anybody have a chip you could burn a 90/91 2.5 turbo cal to and send me? I'll pay for cost of chip/shipping.

[pauly_no_van]

hmm anybody have a chip you could burn a 90/91 2.5 turbo cal to and send me? I'll pay for cost of chip/shipping.

haha, add me to that list, i cut mine out with a dremel :(

[AzShadow]

im having some issues....finally finished up school so i got around to putting it in...plugged it all in and the fuel pump isnt pressurizing....on and off with the key a few times and it did pressurize for like half a second but that was it...the car does crank. i socketed the unit myself and THINK i did it all correctly. i cant really understand the one post on how to check it with the multimeter so if you could pm it to me that would be great.

I would like to try to check the most i can on my end before i send it out for you to test to try to figure out if its in the board i bought or something i did

[JamesL]

im having some issues....finally finished up school so i got around to putting it in...plugged it all in and the fuel pump isnt pressurizing....on and off with the key a few times and it did pressurize for like half a second but that was it...the car does crank. i socketed the unit myself and THINK i did it all correctly. i cant really understand the one post on how to check it with the multimeter so if you could pm it to me that would be great.

I would like to try to check the most i can on my end before i send it out for you to test to try to figure out if its in the board i bought or something i did

If you have the board socketed, can you put your original chip back in and try it?

[AzShadow]

No i cant, i followed some instructions online where the guy recommended to just cut the legs flush off at the chip to make it easier to get out....:(

[turbovanman²]

hmm anybody have a chip you could burn a 90/91 2.5 turbo cal to and send me? I'll pay for cost of chip/shipping.

Yeah, I could, PM me the details.

[pauly_no_van]

haven't had the time to try mine yet :(

[zin]

haven't had the time to try mine yet :(

Me neither...

Mike

[Sloride]

My Issues have been completely resolved.... By Far the best customer service I have ever experienced on the boards < no pun intended >

Chris, You ROCK

ps. If your ostrich doesn't seem to be working and your converter checks out, make sure the two little switches on the side are toward the usb connector.

[pauly_no_van]

Just got back from road test.
With 20 psi stock injector/3 bar cal was at 50MPH in no time and hit a speed bump with the following result:
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh251/paulpatrick3/0612091759-00.jpg
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh251/paulpatrick3/0612091800-00.jpg
Van caught air! Passenger wet himself....
Thank You Very Much Quantum!
Now to start tuning.....

paul(soon to be arrested)

[moparzrule]

Got mine from Chris a week ago, works perfect! Now all I need is the extender cable from Moates and I don't have to remove the SBEC to change the chip.

[bbernd]

Hello,

ist this project still alive??

I'm interested in one of those converters.

regards
BB

[turbovanman²]

Hello,

ist this project still alive??

I'm interested in one of those converters.

regards
BB

Go to www.boostbutton.com he is selling them now.

[ShelGame]

http://www.boostbutton.com/Chip-Products.html

More specifically, they're near the bottom of the page...

[quantum]

Yeah, I'm pretty much out of the game for now. I just don't have time between family, work, and school. Rob's a great guy and his converter is smaller and most likely better soldered than mine (I never was good with the soldering iron).

Rob if your interested in my schematics for the realtime cal switch with the plcc chips and let me know (PM). The design is sound I just cant solder well enough to make a consistent good version (I have made a couple, and the plcc works with switching on the fly) and I would rather see the design used then sit on the shelf. I know your doing the burnable computers, but this may be a good cheap option for others.

[Reaper1]

subscribed..

[Radiant_Red]

Hey Rob ordered mine today if shipping is too much to Canada ( Windsor ) i can pick it up from you i remember you are not very far at all from me.. Thanks


http://www.boostbutton.com/Chip-Products.html

More specifically, they're near the bottom of the page...

[ShelGame]

I'm a little farther away now. I moved a few years ago. We're just north of Ann Arbor now.

It shouldn't be a problem. The padded mailers I use are only about $0.25 more to go to Canada than the US. Though, I send them 'airmail' - it usually takes 2-3 weeks to get there. I guess they walk it over or something, lol.

[gerbot_3000]

Why didnt you tell me you sell this when i bought the inyectors/PB and stuff :(

Sounds very interesting, can you make a cable that gets into the cabin so people can erase with a willem the chip to avoid the car being stolen? I dont know if TM's get stolen on USA, but in mexico, is everydays story.