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Vigo
03-09-2009, 06:36 PM
So i foolishly indulged myself in checking out craigslist, knowing what kind of trouble that could land me in, and i came across an ad title as follows:

1984 Chrysler- HUGE backseat! $300

I drove 50 miles to go look at it and bought it for $200. I just dragged it home yesterday.

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk124/Vigo327/DSC03838.jpg
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk124/Vigo327/DSC03849.jpg

That's all for now!

JDAWG
03-09-2009, 06:54 PM
sweet, is a 2.6?

j4278h
03-09-2009, 07:19 PM
84 was a 2.6 and 85-86 had the option for turbo.

Let me know if you want to get rid of that Adam. I had one that was rotten and would love to get another some day.

djd's turbo
03-09-2009, 08:08 PM
Wow, those tires are in good shape!! How did you get it home? LOL. Nice looking car, though!! More details, please.

JohnnyIroc
03-09-2009, 08:24 PM
Wow, those tires are in good shape!! How did you get it home? LOL. Nice looking car, though!! More details, please.

the truck the trailer most likely
but it looks like the back tires would be rolling if use that
so what did you do

turbo84voyager
03-09-2009, 08:46 PM
I always wanted tp pick up one of them pull the 2.6 and stick a 2.5 turbo under the hood.

Velour interior???

Vigo
03-09-2009, 09:39 PM
its a 2.6 mitsu.

The interior is leather, and its the sedan and not the limo. Its rough all over and needs ton of work, but for $200 i cant possibly lose money even if i decided to scrap it (i wouldnt). I could resell for more, hehe.

There were two round tires so i put a good one on the back and had 2 flats riding on the dolley. Extra effort but oh well. I also forgot to take the keys when i towed it so that added a bit of effort as well.

This one has no rust, Jason, of course. But it does have minor body damage pretty much everywhere and the interior is fairly trashed. Luckily its 80% new yorker parts so it should be easy to get it looking good inside just by swapping stuff.


I'll update again when i do something to it, but that might be months :p

Vigo
03-11-2009, 04:48 PM
Some plans:

89 minivan front and rear brakes (has anyone ever put van drums on a car? track width increase here i come). 5lug swap is inclusive in that.

14inch alloys and 195/70r14 tires off an old turbo lebaron.

a bunch of subs and a few different gaming consoles.. which ones to use?

Vigo
03-14-2009, 11:35 PM
So i got to do a bit of work today.. I pushed my 93 3.0 parts van into the carport and swapped the spindles and brakes onto my 90 van. This is in preparation for upgrading to 5x114.3 lug pattern and 11" front brakes. After having to do a homebrew alignment (not realizing that on the vans this swap throws it WAAAAY off) i got the 90 van back on the road and braking better than ever..

What to do with the spindles/brakes i took off the 90 and the back brakes from the 93? You guessed right, 5 lug swap and massive brake upgrade for the limo!

Unfortunately i didnt get the limo torn down tonight but i did manage to get it into the carport which was a job in and of itself.. hopefully itll be at least partially 5-lug swapped this time tomorrow!!

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk124/Vigo327/DSC04036.jpg
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk124/Vigo327/DSC04038.jpg

Vigo
03-17-2009, 12:27 AM
Well, I got to finish the 5-lug conversion today by adapting the rear drums off the 93 parts van to fit the limo. That was not easy. It WAS simple, though. If i had the right tools, it would have been easy as well... lol.

Luckily, I had the help of one of our newest members, TX91Daytona, and his brother in this effort at doing something i've never heard of anyone else doing.


The 4-bolt pattern of the bolts that hold the backing plate and stub axle to the rear axle was far larger on the van than on the limo, requiring me to modify the stub shafts and backing plates to bolt onto the limo's existing pattern.

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk124/Vigo327/DSC04056.jpg
First step, take everything apart! Take note of the relative size of the drums on the ground.
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk124/Vigo327/DSC04057.jpg
Hmm, thats a little off. Nothing i havent dealt with before, though!
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk124/Vigo327/DSC04058.jpg
The limo bolt pattern on the minivan stub axle. At this point you'd think i'd bust out the drill press, right? Well.. i dont have one!! I do have...
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk124/Vigo327/DSC04059.jpg
A miter saw!!
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk124/Vigo327/DSC04062.jpg
You get the idea..
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk124/Vigo327/DSC04064.jpg
Ooops.
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk124/Vigo327/DSC04065.jpg
Tada!
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk124/Vigo327/DSC04061.jpg
Enough miter saw... now Sawzall!!
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk124/Vigo327/DSC04063.jpg
Here's where we break pieces off with pliers.
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk124/Vigo327/DSC04067.jpg
Almost there....
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk124/Vigo327/DSC04068.jpg
Houston, we have a bigass drum brake.
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk124/Vigo327/DSC04069.jpg
Yay! 5 lugs, bigger brakes, and matching wheels that will actually roll cuz the tires hold air!

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.

Big thanks to TX91Daytona and his brother for helping me out so much, especially on a first ever face-to-face meeting!




Also, the world's first ever reject 4 lug swapped 93 caravan.
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk124/Vigo327/DSC04072.jpg

Ondonti
03-17-2009, 12:43 AM
I did that over my lower thumb knuckle a few months ago. Scared the crap out of me.

GLHNSLHT2
03-17-2009, 12:47 AM
please remind me not to ride in your car.

burnt_toast
03-17-2009, 12:47 AM
awesomely random swap, and nice touch with the miter saw haha, when the tool's not about on-hand mcgyver action to the rescue!

black86glhs
03-17-2009, 12:53 AM
If it were me, I would find some large washers and cut them to fit around the spindle, so the bolts will have more to clamp on. Just from a safety standpoint. Otherwise, that Limo looks sweet with good tires and those rims.:thumb:

TX91Daytona
03-17-2009, 06:34 AM
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.

Big thanks to TX91Daytona and his brother for helping me out so much, especially on a first ever face-to-face meeting!

No problem, I, and Ally, THOROUGHLY enjoyed the experience, met a cool guy that knows his way around a shop, and got the heck outta Cove! Can't thank you enough for that one! :hail:





Also, the world's first ever reject 4 lug swapped 93 caravan.
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk124/Vigo327/DSC04072.jpg

Lemme be the first to say, this is the coolest thing I've ever seen. It's a gargantuan recycling container that looks like a mini! It was a pain to move tho, too bad we didn't get any pics of the grassroots Spirit trying to push the van with it's 1 wheel-of-awesome-omgroflbatman-pushing-power. That was fun!

turbo84voyager
03-17-2009, 08:49 AM
I upgrated my 89 mini to the larger brakes and bolt pattern and what a difference. It was definately worth the time and money to do the swap.

Vigo
03-17-2009, 07:31 PM
If it were me, I would find some large washers and cut them to fit around the spindle, so the bolts will have more to clamp on. Just from a safety standpoint. Otherwise, that Limo looks sweet with good tires and those rims.

The stock washers on the stock bolts actually butt up against the stub shaft so there's no room for larger washers unless i ground most of them off on one side.


I did something similar to this to put 11" brakes on my dynasty and its been fine for 5+ yrs.

black86glhs
03-17-2009, 09:04 PM
The stock washers on the stock bolts actually butt up against the stub shaft so there's no room for larger washers unless i ground most of them off on one side.


I did something similar to this to put 11" brakes on my dynasty and its been fine for 5+ yrs.

The way we put the 4 lugs back on the mini axle... thats got me worried. As long as nothing breaks before we get to the junkyard, im good..I thought about that after I posted and figured you knew what you were doing(or at least looked like it:D). It really shouldn't go anywhere anyway. Nice work guys!:thumb:

black86glhs
03-21-2009, 12:15 PM
What about dropping a 3.3 or 3.8 from a Yorker, Caravan, Dynasty? With the 604?

Vigo
03-22-2009, 10:51 PM
definitely possible. only reason i wouldnt do that is because i already have a 3.3/604 car to mess with.

Im pretty sure that the 4cyl turbo / auto trans setup is probly gonna drive the best considering i would need a bunch of low rpm power to move it very quickly.

It wouldnt be fast.. but if i could blow the tires off for fun and race slow cars, thatd be entertaining enough for me i think :)



Also, i have an old xbox and an old hard drive so im gonna mod it to run a bunch of emulators and movies and thats gonna be the foundation of the rear entertainment stuff. Gotta build a console for it and decide on a screen and on and on and on.

Vigo
03-24-2009, 04:34 PM
wow, apparently only 196 of these things were made in 1984, along with a handful in 83, for a total of JUST over 200! i had no idea this thing was so rare... Cool for me!

Matt86
03-24-2009, 10:18 PM
Wow...that thing is soo cool! I saw one in person, at a little dealer in the middle of nowhere, Minnesota.

I think a 3.8 from a later model minivan would make that thing move.

tryingbe
03-25-2009, 11:53 PM
I hope those bolts hold, for other people's sake.

Dodge Aries K
03-26-2009, 03:33 AM
I think a hamster in a wheel is a good upgrade from the 2.6. Sweet project though, turbo luxury sedan... that's so awesome.

Vigo
03-26-2009, 07:49 AM
I hope those bolts hold, for other people's sake.

seeing as how they're the stock bolts in the stock holes with a bunch of loctite, i feel pretty good.

If this was a baja 1000 entry i'd probly wanna do em different, though...

same deal with the 3.0 as the 3.3/3.8... i HAVE a 3.0/670 but the 3.0 is going in my minivan with a 543!

ive almost got one car per engine combo.. but no 16v turbos yet.


i cut the cat out of the nasty limo exhaust the other day cuz i was getting em together to sell and it was empty! now $200 is $27 less of a good deal lol.

CSXVNT461
03-26-2009, 03:21 PM
This thread is worthless without interior pics!!!! ;-)

Vigo
03-26-2009, 04:02 PM
heh the interior sucks right now...

blk86trbo
03-28-2009, 10:31 AM
Imagine how cool this beast would look with the back end of a wagon grafted onto it...a turbo woody wagon limo would rock!

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee39/blk86trbo/DSC04069.jpg

Vigo
03-29-2009, 07:44 PM
Im sticking to stock 2.2/2.5 with stock 782 head, stock manifolds (1pc intake), stock-type turbo with 2.5 exhaust, etc. Not gonna work miracles in the beginning but i am one poor sucker so i feel its better to be running and boosting on what i own then sitting with a dead car scheming about stuff thats farther off and harder to do.

AzShadow
03-30-2009, 11:13 PM
Thats one sweet ride! def never seen one before

black86glhs
03-31-2009, 03:55 PM
Gonna run 14 inchers I take it. 195/7014s or 195/6014s?

Vigo
03-31-2009, 08:26 PM
well 195/70r14s are on it but they are pretty dang old. I do like the wheels that are on it, but if i came by something better for 0$, i would go to bigger wheels. I have LOTS of bigger wheels, but unfortunately also LOTS of other cars that they are already on :p


i will probably use these wheels/tires until they bring down the look of the rest of the car, then upgrade. Thats a long way off.

Vigo
02-10-2011, 11:56 PM
Well, i dont know if anyone noticed but i started another thread a while back that relates to this..

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/showthread.php?54139-Anyone-driven-a-VNT-Auto-car

Yes indeed, its going VNT 2.2 w/ lockup auto (3.02 now, hopefully 2.6 later).


here's the latest:
Well, not a WHOLE lot of action here but im cleaning up an 86 2.2 shortblock to put together.. need to buy more engine paint and a freeze plug. :p Already degreased and power washed the crud off the outside, unblocked some cooling ports and flushed a bunch of scale out of the cooling passages. Ick!

Ive got an s60 compressor wheel for the turbo, but i need the t25-backplate-to-t3-comp.housing adapter that i keep seeing, and i need to get a t2 housing machined for the s60 wheel (or buy a real s60 housing if that's cheaper).

I split apart a 3.0/670 i had on the ground and found a brand new converter with clean fluid, so im going to use the v6 converter to start. This was reinforced after driving my friend's 2.5/auto new yorker with stock turbo converter recently (all my running turbos are 5spd now) and getting slightly annoyed at how loose the converter was.

I have a lockup 413 i rebuilt for my aries many years ago and then never ran. I installed it once but it only drove the car around the yard and up and down the street. It worked other than the fact that i accidentally put in the throttle cable linkage wrong. I need to drop the pan and fix that, maybe put one of those nice gaskets and a drain plug on it. I cant remember if i put turbo clutch drums in it or not.. either way it's stock rebuild, not the 5 clutch stuff. I think it'll be fine.. this engine probably wont make more than ~260 lb ft torque, and every 2.5 with 12 lbs of boost does that..

Ive got a glut of 782 heads kicking around, gotta pick one and put it in the blast cabinet, make it all purty. :p

Used MP headgasket cuz thats how i roll!!

A bare turbo valve cover that needs to be painted, and a very nicely powdercoated 1pc that needs to be painted over (its orange). Im going wrinkle-finish on the valve cover, the intake already has it.


WHY I DECIDED VNT:
1. I already have the parts.
2. It's taking two of the rarest things chrysler did to k-cars and combining them for a weird/cool match of ultra rare:lol:
3. If it turns out to be reasonably fast it will be cool to be able to say it's all from 132ci! :D
4. i need all my mitsu turbos for my insight and magnum (.......:confused:).

Vigo
03-14-2011, 06:50 PM
Well, ive got a GT2860 compressor side coming that will snap-ring right onto the VNT center section. I think i will have to get the backplate machined for the larger wheel diameter, and get it balanced. Hopefully at that point i will have only $200 worth of parts and labor i had to PAY for into a ~350hp VNT turbo. Not that i'll be getting anywhere near that with a stock vnt intercooler and stock injectors, and not that i could push 350hp worth of air through the turbine of that thing..lol

Im still grumbling indecisively about putting an EWG on the stock vnt manifold. I know the system ultimately needs it, but welding to that manifold has me skurrd. Although, i think the vnt manifold has more nickel content than normal ones which should make it easier to weld..?

And god damn that VHT wrinkle paint. I cleaned up and sandblasted a nice 1pc gasket turbo valve cover and painted it. Would have come out perfect if not for the damn weather!! I guess its not the paints fault but its the slowest drying thing ever to come out of a spray can, and it's really picky about humidity, temperature, and how you apply it. The parts that came out right look better than the factory finish, imo, but most of it didnt come out right. Now i need to strip it and start over, annoying!! I did paint over the wrinkle-finish powdercoat on the 1pc im using and that came out well.

Ive been painting some engine brackets and stuff in my spare time when i can remember to do it. Need more aluminum paint..

I guess since i actually have parts in the mail already i might have the upgraded VNT ready to go by the time i put the motor in.

Vigo
03-18-2011, 03:21 PM
Well, i dont have any precision measuring tools but this compressor wheel is way bigger than i was thinking. It's probably ebay/china stuff which ive heard is usually not EXACTLY what its sold as.

In any case, i dont care. If anything it will probably be capable of making more power than i ever hope to on this car.

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk124/Vigo327/IMG_2022Large.jpg
Thats stock vnt, Stock t2, and this big thing i got to put on it.

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk124/Vigo327/IMG_2025Large.jpg
Thats stock t2, super 60, and this supposed gt28 wheel. Its roughly the same size as a super 70 wheel, i roughly measured with a ruler that it's 52/70mm.

They sent it to me as an assembly with a t25 turbine like whats already in the vnt. Im surprised to see how big of a difference there is in the size of the wheels, but if this setup works at all on any turbo, i have to believe it will work better with the same turbine in a vnt.

So now the #1 power limitation on the setup is going to be getting air out the exhaust side.

RoadWarrior222
03-18-2011, 03:32 PM
Interesting, VNT might be a good choice for the low down torque, considering that thing ain't exactly light.

Aries_Turbo
03-18-2011, 03:34 PM
put a EWG on it as well. provided the vnt side can make the torque to keep that wheel spooled, then the EWG will keep the backpressure reasonably down.

Brian

Vigo
03-19-2011, 10:32 AM
That's the plan, just gotta figure out how.

Anyone wanna post pics of EWG's on stock manifolds in my thread? :)

Aries_Turbo
03-19-2011, 11:51 AM
i know quite a few folks have welded a flange on the turbine scroll. is there room to do that on the VNT?

Brian

---------- Post added at 11:51 AM ---------- Previous post was at 11:47 AM ----------

i wonder if there is room right at the flange for one either on the manifold side.

you could always weld up an adapter flange and put it between the manifold and turbine inlet. may get close to the fire wall but you could angle the turbo a little to keep the compressor wheel away from the firewall.

or make a pipe that bolts to the manifold (or TBI manifold for that matter) and puts the turbo over the trans. that way youll have plenty of room for the wastegate.

Brian

GLHNSLHT2
03-19-2011, 12:15 PM
I wonder how well one of Shadow's SV's would work on moving air out of the VNT since the SV sucks so bad on a VNT.

Vigo
03-20-2011, 12:17 AM
Jay, it would be a lot easier to build a nice mandrel bend for the discharge pipe on a VNT than it is for the non-vnt turbos. As for whether i will do it..maybe later? Im only planning to run 2.5" exhaust on this car right now, and an extra long one at that.:p

Brian, i considered putting an EWG off the turbine housing and there is room on the passenger side right after the flange to do that, but for now im against it primarily because if i have to choose between modding the manifold and the turbine housing, the manifold is a lot less difficult to replace if i really bugger it up. Keeping in mind im fairly determined to do things myself and i have no experience welding to cast.

So, i think i will mount one off the manifold. Strax22 was helping me out with the motor today and suggested just machining a flat spot on the back of the manifold and then just drilling holes to match the common EWG flange (pic below) so i could just bolt one straight to the manifold without welding a stand-off to it. As of right now i think that's plausible.
http://lh3.googleusercontent.com/public/npz4sr4qk9jfj74mMFWUk-PcpGTv-9Ped5xVDoP8HyPhSLDI4z8XuLoFEE-5BNEogEWSPV0FuHcBSDGIUGRdRHd4aIBqxK2szU8_6xNdYiSUp T7vBl7r2cgmQP4_hKNmylj2qxp60NXyhR6cfW_Gwz9iPMvDlrj B2sDuTHBNU_2rCX6qTb8rnAldi3AWkab7Ut9AF2_NymjwD5t0z IMW

Today we worked on cleaning, painting, and bolting together the motor out of all my various parts stashes. Hope to do more tomorrow. I didnt get any pics of the motor assembly but i got some of the VNT along with its new compressor side.
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk124/Vigo327/DSC03659Large.jpg
Here's one of the wheels side by side. I need to get the compressor backplate machined to fit the new exducer diameter.
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk124/Vigo327/DSC03661Large.jpg
Here's the stock housing and the new housing with the adapter plate bolted into it. That's the piece that was the linchpin of this whole idea, and it took me some work to find one for a price i was willing to pay.
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk124/Vigo327/DSC03662Large.jpg
The new housing on the center section.
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk124/Vigo327/DSC03664Large.jpg
The new housing with the silly tiny stock VNT wheel down in there.

GLHNSLHT2
03-20-2011, 02:51 AM
Jay, it would be a lot easier to build a nice mandrel bend for the discharge pipe on a VNT than it is for the non-vnt turbos. As for whether i will do it..maybe later? Im only planning to run 2.5" exhaust on this car right now, and an extra long one at that.:p

Exhaust size doesn't have much to do with it. It's getting the modular flow out of the turbine to reduce backpressure in the exhaust manifold. So I think it might really help the VNT since Shadow has practically a 1:1 ratio on a stock exhaust manny.

Vigo
03-21-2011, 12:09 AM
Well, like i said, it would be pretty easy, but i dont know if i will get to it on this first go-round. But, if i were to cone out from the turbine exit to a 2.5" mandrel bend, how long should the cone be? Do i need it, or just go to the bigger pipe right out of the turbine?

I did a little work on the motor today in between doing a lot to my minivan. Started painting more odds and ends. I got a pic of the motor, too.

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk124/Vigo327/DSC03669Large.jpg
I ended up with a bunch of old spray paint out of someone's shed getting cleaned out, so im just spraying it at everything. I did buy another can of VHT wrinkle for that pesky valve cover.
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk124/Vigo327/DSC03668Large.jpg

Need to pull some broken bolts out of the turbine housing and the cylinder head, finish painting some stuff, and work on the 413 that's going in. I suppose at some point i need to start thinking about the engine bay wiring, too..

GLHNSLHT2
03-21-2011, 04:04 PM
Vigo even 3-4" is better than the elbow that's on the VNT. But I'd make it as long as you can or want cause anything will help.

Vigo
03-22-2011, 11:39 PM
So with me not knowing all that much about all these pesky GT series turbos i figured id try and figure out just what compressor wheel this was supposed to be. Well, based on the vague ruler measurements i did when i first got it, i figure it's one of these two..
http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbobygarrett/catelog/Turbochargers/GT28/GT2871R_472560_15.htm
http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbobygarrett/catelog/Turbochargers/GT28/GT2871R_743347_2.htm

The picture on the 2nd one looks more like my compressor cover. Apparently that wheel with the 53mm inducer is also used in the gt3071.

So now i guess i have to figure out whether the inducer is 51 or 53mm.. and luckily the wheel and the measuring caliper are right next to each other.. just not here. I should know tomorrow if i remember to check.

Vigo
03-23-2011, 09:57 PM
I measured the wheel and got ~54/69mm. I know since this is not a real Garrett it is not exactly the same wheel, but if vague comparisons and generalizations are good for anything i figure it's good to 400+hp. Garrett advertises the two above as good to 460-475 hp.

I took a look at the VNT discharge pipe today and i dont think it's THAT bad.. But i didnt have my camera so i cant back that up with anything.. :p

Today I painted some more pulleys, cleaned up and installed a cam and cam seals, bought the one freeze plug i need, bought an easy-out and got the broken oil fitting out of the turbo, painted the PS pump and some bracketry, etc.

Vigo
04-02-2011, 02:29 AM
Let's see, today i.. painted and installed the alternator tensioner, put in some spark plugs, put in a thermostat, put in that damn freeze plug, put in some injectors and the fuel rail.. woot woot :p

black86glhs
04-02-2011, 08:03 AM
Vigo, You need anything for the Limo? I know where an 84 E-Class is that has some good parts on it. It is a 2.2 TBI car. Let me know and I can see if it is available.

Vigo
04-02-2011, 11:59 AM
Man, im not even to the point of knowing all that it needs. The interior is pretty trashed, it needs a hood, a fender, a crapload of bodywork, maybe a taillight, who knows what else.

I think the taillight will be hard to find, the front end stuff is easy. I think the taillight is the same as an 84 lebaron.

black86glhs
04-02-2011, 12:28 PM
Man, im not even to the point of knowing all that it needs. The interior is pretty trashed, it needs a hood, a fender, a crapload of bodywork, maybe a taillight, who knows what else.

I think the taillight will be hard to find, the front end stuff is easy. I think the taillight is the same as an 84 lebaron.Send me a pic of the taillight....this thing still has both of them. It's up to you. I do not have a problem grabbing some stuff for you. Obvious large items will cost to ship as you know, but it might be worth taking a road trip to get some good parts, both interior and exterior.

RoadWarrior222
04-02-2011, 12:55 PM
Man, im not even to the point of knowing all that it needs. The interior is pretty trashed,
Just get a small leather corner couch and a walnut ----tail cabinet for the back... :D

black86glhs
04-02-2011, 10:35 PM
HEHEHE...you said ----.

Vigo
05-23-2011, 05:45 PM
So i figured out that putting an EWG right on the manifold isnt really feasible. There isnt 38mm there to put a hole into.

So... plan B is putting the EWG coming off the turbine housing, probably the passenger side of the inlet, with a pipe coming off to locate the actual wastegate sort of between the turndown and the power steering setup.

I also came across another complete VNT turbo, so i can mock up the motor with the still-assembled turbo and then modify the housing of the one that's already taken apart. I'll probably end up letting someone else do the welding to the turbine housing, so i guess i better start trying to line up a welder who can do it..

RoadWarrior222
06-04-2011, 12:17 AM
I dunno why, a funny idea popped into my head (Doesn't happen often, eh?) thinking if I got hold of one of these, I might paint it half white lenghtwise, and make that side look wedding car-ish, then black on the other, and make it look more hearse-y, possibly a gothrod flat black type hearse...and call it... the limbo...

Vigo
08-04-2011, 06:12 PM
Well this motor has been on my stand for too many months and its bugging me because i want to be building turbo plumbing for a 3.3 on it, so i was wondering.. WHY havent i finished it? Well, basically i came to the conclusion that that DASTARDLY VHT WRINKLE PAINT killed my motivation! I have now tried 3 times to get the right finish and failed.

So im saying fugg it and putting the nasty valve cover on it and finishing it enough to get it off the stand. The valve cover isnt even important, it just threw a monkey wrench into my motivation.

Strax22 picked up a badass drill press so that should help with my EWG hole on the turbine housing. :D

GLHNSLHT2
08-05-2011, 12:10 AM
One word: Powdercoat. ONLY WAY TO DO WRINKLE BLACK!

PunKid
08-05-2011, 09:19 AM
Try a hair dryier while its drying. My friend had good luck with giving it a little more texture

shackwrrr
08-05-2011, 10:54 AM
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e357/shackwrrr/TurboMopars/Shadow/th_img1284327705575.jpg (http://s43.photobucket.com/albums/e357/shackwrrr/TurboMopars/Shadow/?action=view&current=img1284327705575.jpg)

this valve cover was painted with the VHT paint, the cover was sandblasted and all I did was spray it on, just 3 heavy coats and it started to wrinkle real nice. I brought it home and put it in the oven for a few minuites and it turned out like that.

Vigo
08-05-2011, 12:32 PM
I can see that it has wrinkled but hard to tell much else. The problem i've been having is that it wrinkles unevenly so it looks great in some spots and crappy in others. Im going to check the price of powdercoat before i bother buying another can of stripper and paint (another $20).

shackwrrr
08-05-2011, 12:35 PM
Im trying to remember the instructions but I think if it was uneven that it needed thicker coats. I would do a full pass from one side to the other without stopping and then go back. I think it also said that you could go over some sections to make it wrinkle more.

Vigo
08-05-2011, 12:56 PM
Yeh the thicker you put it on, the bigger the wrinkles. To be honest this last valve cover probably would have come out pretty well if i hadnt started with less than a full can. I got my base coats down great with even coverage and small wrinkles but it seemed like i couldnt get enough on there to get big wrinkles before the can ran out. Also, it got uneven-looking with the last coat, which i dont understand because i put it on even and the earlier coats were even.

Vigo
08-17-2011, 03:47 AM
In the process of finding and cleaning up the exhaust studs for the head i realized i had broken one off in there and forgot about it.. i should probably fix that. I want to get the manifold on there so i can mock up the stock vnt i have, to check clearance for my wastegate idea.

This motor has been sitting here almost completely done for months.. I just need to mock up and then perform the wastegate mods and then get the new turbo put together and balanced before i can bolt it to a trans and hang it in there.

Vigo
08-23-2011, 02:58 AM
So with this upgraded compressor side i always figured the main bottleneck in the setup was going to be the stock turbine side.. and today i got the itch to measure the exducer on the VNT turbine wheel and compare to the exducer on the Stg1 (stock) T3 turbine wheel (which has been dyno'd a LOT).

Turns out the VNT turbine exducer is only 2mm smaller than the Stg1 T3 wheel. The difference is much smaller than i would have guessed! By area, the 2mm smaller is about 10% smaller overall, but with the superior turbine wheel design i have to wonder if it isnt a wash.. if the stock VNT turbine side doesn't flow just as well as the stock-style garrett t3.

The turbine housing itself is a .64 a/r. I dont have the housing with me so i didnt consider that part of the equation tonight. :p

Also, when i was trying to find the exducer number on the internet to verify that the VNT uses a regular old t25 turbine wheel, i kept coming up with a ~41mm number instead of the ~46mm i measured. Turns out most of the t25 numbers out there are off of DSM t25s that have a smaller turbine wheel.

I also noticed someone point out/postulate that the garrett GT turbos ending in 71 (i.e. GT2571) use the old To4B compressors. I looked at the To4B compressor wheel specs and my wheel matches up (within ~1mm, i blame loose measuring margins) with the To4B V-trim wheel. I already suspected that the cover for it was a To4B cover. I looked at what google images i could find of that wheel and they do look the same.. 8 major fins and all that.

So, knowing there have been several 300hp dynos on stg1 t3 turbines, and knowing i have a to4b V-trim, i plugged a 300hp 2.2 into Frank's turbo calculator, picked the v1/v2 trim turbo (what is this v1/v2 stuff?) and got this:
http://www.squirrelpf.com/turbocalc/graph.php?version=4&pr0=1&pr1=1.07&pr2=1.6&pr3=2.13&pr4=2.13&pr5=2.13&pr6=2.13&pr7=2.13&airflow0=2.5&airflow1=8&airflow2=13.5&airflow3=20&airflow4=23.7&airflow5=25.8&airflow6=27.9&airflow7=28.5&product_id=67
Now, that shows it surging, but i dont actually know where this thing is going to spool, so im not worried about that.I can actually adjust the rest position of the vane arm to set my minimum boost rpm anyway if it surges, but since the comp wheel is SO much bigger than the turbine wheel im guessing it wont spool fast enough to surge. At the last data point there it looks like i'd be running it pretty close to its max efficiency at 300hp, so that's a plus.