Replaced window scrapers on my C/S today [Archive]

iangoround

01-02-2009, 11:32 PM

I just replaced the outer beltline strips (window scraper) on my C/S with a generic part from JC Whitney. Its not QUITE the same, but looks factory once installed and only needed to be trimmed to fit.

I chose style 42 (link below). It comes in 48" lengths, so on a T-top car you'll need to cut off about 4 inches. No biggie. Basically you pull the door panel, remove the window glass, unscrew the old stripping being careful not to drop screws or the hockey stick moulding on the outside. You can get away without removing the moulding, BUT have some way to hold it up. It WILL break on you.

Lay the new piece in place, mark it with something, cut to length, drill holes in it with an 1/8" drill bit, and put it all back together. Style 42 has a chrome top, which I didn't like at first but it doesn't look too bad. With a little convincing and gentle tapping, the chrome can be used to cap over where the outer moulding meets the door skin for a nice clean finish.

I'll get some pictures up tomorrow hopefully.

Looking at the JCWhitney site, style 39 might work well too and give you a little more material on the top to cap over everything with.

link to part: http://www.jcwhitney.com/autoparts/ItemBrowse/c-10101/s-10101/p-100000225814/mediaCode-ZX/appId-100000225814/Pr-p_CATENTRY_ID:100000225814

GLHNSLHT2

01-02-2009, 11:50 PM

yea need pics :)

MNmopar

01-03-2009, 04:06 PM

Thanks for the heads up.

A pic would be awesome when you have the chance!

omni_840

01-03-2009, 06:31 PM

Thanks for the heads up.

A pic would be awesome when you have the chance!

+1 :thumb:

iangoround

01-04-2009, 12:29 AM

Didn't get a chance to go out to the shop today. Tomorrow for sure!

Its really super, super easy. Grand total was only about $40. If you order from JCWhitney, do a google search for promo codes first and see what you come up with. I came across one for $10 off or something like that.

iangoround

01-04-2009, 05:42 PM

Pictures! Some are blurry, sorry.

The weather stripping fit right in the stock location. I had to trim to length and notch the rear to fit over a piece of metal in the door. The small bit in the picture there was my mock up piece after I cut the whole thing to length. Whole holding it in place, I drilled 1/8" holes in the lower portion to mount the new strip exactly like the stock piece.

Some gentle coaxing with a hammer and fingers to make the chrome cap cover the moulding, and I was done. Getting the window back in was a little difficult,as this stuff sits a little lower than stock. If you fold it over putting the window back in, just use your finger or a wooden shim or something to pop the strip back straight. You DO have to remove the windows to do this, or at the very least unbolt them from the carriage and drop them all the way to the bottom of the door. Otherwise you'll never be able to get to all of the screws.

GLHNSLHT2

01-04-2009, 07:42 PM

doesn't look to bad. are they rubber on the outside and felt on the inside or rubber all around?

iangoround

01-04-2009, 09:23 PM

rubber outside and felt inside.

Next project is replacing the inner window scraper.

turbodaytona87

01-04-2009, 09:48 PM

good work, I think I might try that

jj86gn

01-09-2009, 12:04 AM

What about using Style 43?? This one looks like it has a rubber top instead of the chrome.. Might look more factory.

Any input??

iangoround

01-09-2009, 01:09 AM

without seeing it, i have no clue. looks like it could be made to work though

rich tideswell

01-09-2009, 08:58 AM

i have 2 driver side outside scrapers for sale off my old 88 daytona

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15256&page=2&highlight=michigan

87csx51

01-14-2009, 02:54 AM

Are those for a t-top?

rich tideswell

01-14-2009, 08:56 AM

Are those for a t-top?

No, they fit a hard top car.

iangoround

01-14-2009, 10:29 AM

Are those for a t-top?

If you're referring to what I did, then yes. I put them on a T-top car.

T-top and hard top strips are almost the same. T top strips are just a little bit longer . The setup from JCWhitney could be used on either/or as you have to cut-to-fit anyway.

chilort

01-14-2009, 11:48 AM

That's freaking awesome. And one of the less expensive options I've seen so far.

JohnnyIroc

01-17-2009, 01:23 AM

did you have to take the glass out to do that
cause i got a nice very clean one at a junk yard for my daytona
and did not know if the glass would be in the way cause when i go there it was already shattered
and ive looked at others and it seemed like it was in the way

iangoround

01-17-2009, 01:44 AM

Yes the glass needs to come out. The glass blocks access to a few screws in the center of the door. Its not hard to take out. lower the door glass, unbolt it from the frame. raise it up a bit and loosen a 4th bolt that holds the glass steady towards the front. Raise the window most of the way up and tilt it towards the inside of the door to clear the studs from the carriage and gently remove it from the door.

Darkapollo

02-02-2009, 11:10 AM

As for taking the glass out, get a set of mini offset screw drivers. When I replaced the power mirror and outer window molding on my 90 I used the offsets to get around the glass. VERY tight fit when the screws are almost out, but it works.

Awesome write up BTW. The CS that im getting will need new scrappers and I think this is the way that I am going to go.

chilort

02-02-2009, 08:14 PM

I just ordered mine. I'm not looking forward to my power lock switch though. The pins always pop out when I remove the door panel. I usually have to disco the battery and take an hour or so getting it all put back together again.

chilort

02-08-2009, 08:15 PM

I thought I'd add some pictures of how my fix went. I pulled the first window all the way out and f'ed up the tint. I dropped the other window in the door and didn't f up the tint. That the felt has chrome on it isn't bad because the door padding has a matching chrome strip on the inside. I think it is the only place on the car with chrome. So adding a matching chrome strip on the outside of the window actually adds some symmetry. Here's the pictures:

Before driver side:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/246/3265035984_152e73c15f.jpg

Before pass. side:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3491/3264211429_6c6fe2298d.jpg

Old and new bottom and top. The old one is thicker for sure. The new is already cut to fit:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3400/3264213229_e0bcaa4f0d.jpg

Installed:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3519/3265037250_c5b296b565.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3468/3264212805_26cb38cbd7.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/237/3264213695_464ee8018d.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/245/3265038978_f20f9ab78a.jpg

I'm glad I found this post because it encouraged me to do this. Now there is one less chance of scratching yourself on my car. It'll make cruising around with the tops off and the windows down a little more fun.

iangoround

02-08-2009, 08:41 PM

Congrats! Wasn't that hard, was it? Now you can rest at night knowing water and junk isn't getting in your doors from there and slowing eating them away.

Reaper1

02-09-2009, 12:26 AM

Wow...that is nice! I wonder how it compares to using the Camaro ones? I may have to look in to doing this very soon...it would make my car look SO much nicer!

Darkapollo

02-09-2009, 12:59 AM

looks VERY nice and easy to do. Ill order some when my cs gets here (8 more days!)

chilort

02-09-2009, 04:06 AM

The Camaro ones were around $70 bucks each for $140 total. Plus, you still have to cut them to fit like these. I got these for $50 shipped. I've got a number of other things I can do with the $90 I saved.

Reaper1

02-09-2009, 08:24 AM

I was more talking about fitment, looks, and quality....

iangoround

02-09-2009, 10:02 AM

I was more talking about fitment, looks, and quality....

As for quality, I don't see any problem with these parts. Its a one-piece rubber design wrapped around a steel core with flocking on the angled part.

Fit couldn't be much easier: remove or lower window, take out old part, mark new part, make one or two small cuts with tin-snips or a cutoff wheel, drill holes through the base, reinstall. It would only be easier if you had a direct OE replacement strip, but good luck finding those for t-top cars.

I think it looks just fine, but that's me. Some people may not like the chrome part. I think JC Whitney carries a similar part without the chrome though. It isn't an exact replacement part, so it is a little different. The angled part of the strip starts much lower than the stock piece, below the door line instead of right at it. BUT, if you're on a budget, don't need an EXACT replacement, and don't want your doors to rot out, these work great.

Darkapollo

02-09-2009, 11:20 AM

My only question is, since the rubber starts below the door top, doesnt that trap water?

JohnnyIroc

02-09-2009, 12:49 PM

if the new daytona ones fit go with that!
i don't know how hard it is for you guys to find them
but i see them all the time in the jy
i picked a drivers door one up for 5 bucks

chilort

02-09-2009, 01:09 PM

I've never seen a t-top Daytona in a JY. I've never seen a Daytona in a JY with window scrapers in good condition. And I've certainly never seen a t-top Daytona in a JY with window scrapers in good condition. We have three Pull-a-Parts (pullapart.com) here in the Atlanta area, they have relatively high turnover, and I go regularly.

JohnnyIroc

02-09-2009, 01:36 PM

Ive seen one t top daytona in a jy
scrapers were decent should have grabbed them..
but i see many daytonas with very nice ones in jy's
i have 3 pick n pulls by me
i think 2 u pull it
and one called victory that's where i saw the t top one

iangoround

02-09-2009, 04:53 PM

iangoround

02-09-2009, 04:54 PM

My only question is, since the rubber starts below the door top, doesnt that trap water?

Maybe, but where does it have to go? It can't get in to the door very easily. Not a whole lot of water is going to get stored in that little crevice anyway. Once you get the car up over 5mph I imagine it will dry itself right out. Might be a problem with snow, but I don't plan on driving in that stuff.

Haven't actually had the car on the road yet, so we'll see.

Darkapollo

02-09-2009, 06:38 PM

It just looks to be a gutter for rain to drain into the door..
My CS is here and it REALLY needs new scrapers and I will be going with these as it will match the interior chrome strip as well.

chilort

03-30-2009, 01:57 PM

I've been meaning to update this for a bit.

The felt does start below the top of the door. But, there are many cars out there where this is the case (go look at a Dodge minivan). Yeah, these Daytonas didn't start life like that but just because water gets in the door is not the end of the earth. There are drains at the bottom.

135sohc

03-30-2009, 04:22 PM

No door is 100% water tight. Even when these were new water would still get in around the ends of the scraper where it joined up with the glass channel.

JohnnyIroc

03-30-2009, 07:42 PM

i did mine a few weeks ago (non t-top) but still about the same just couldn't figure out how to get the glass out because of the top support and i ended up dropping it behind where you attach it and made it about 10 times harder but it did go down enough to install the scrapper so i did then i had to get the glass back on the track witch took a good amount of time to somehow slip it up onto it but it wasent all that bad to do and ended up great

Reaper1

03-30-2009, 08:18 PM

^^pics??

JohnnyIroc

03-30-2009, 08:34 PM

i can take one tomorrow of the new one installed and the old one out but i didn't do progress pics:( sorry
if you need more info on how to take door panel off in the 90+ or any info how to do it i can tell you

Reaper1

03-30-2009, 09:59 PM

Yeah, all I want is to see the finished product. :thumb:

iangoround

03-31-2009, 12:43 AM

Yeah, all I want is to see the finished product. :thumb:

There's a bunch of pics earlier in the thread?

Reaper1

03-31-2009, 08:22 AM

I know, but I want to see his! LOL

JohnnyIroc

03-31-2009, 10:27 AM

i took some of it
http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr350/johnnyymesich/Picture036.jpg
http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr350/johnnyymesich/Picture037-1.jpg
http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr350/johnnyymesich/Picture038.jpg
http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr350/johnnyymesich/Picture039.jpg
and the old one
http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr350/johnnyymesich/Picture040.jpg
http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr350/johnnyymesich/Picture041.jpg
i don't think i said before but the new one is just out of a junk yard i looked around till i found a perfect one

Reaper1

03-31-2009, 12:33 PM

Oh...I thought you were using an aftermarket piece....darn :(

JohnnyIroc

03-31-2009, 12:38 PM

if your looking for oem nice condition ones i can find you some?
or are you looking to do after market for the chrome strip?

Reaper1

03-31-2009, 05:01 PM

If you can...

I want to see the JCW one that doesn't have the chrome strip.

If that one doesn't look all that great I'll go 3rd gen GM F-body route, or jsut find a way to get rid of the chrome on the JCW one.

fasteddy27

10-16-2009, 08:38 PM

does anyone know if these will work on a shadow es?

iangoround

10-17-2009, 12:23 AM

There's no reason it wouldn't. The parts are a universal cut-to-fit. Check the JCWhitney catalog for a style that pretty much matches what you've got and order some. I don't think you'll be disappointed. Mine are still holding up fine after almost a year now.