My 2001 Volkswagen GTI

[Dave]

Here's just a few pictures of what's been going on with my hand built turbo setup on my 2.8 VR6.

I haven't gathered everything for it yet, but I am about 1/3 the way done.

So far I have a custom-ghetto, short runner intake manifold, Ebay bought FMIC and 2.5" pipes with T-bolts, -4 oil feed line, and the diverter valve.

I grew up on Turbo Mopars so of course I'm cheap and crafty, so I'm building this myself, not buying a kit. I still need the turbo (T04B 60-1 .61/.78), the 3" pipes for the downpipe, the wastegate and dump pipe, the injectors, flash load, intake, OBD1-2 throttle body adapter, oil return, and exhaust manifold.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo328/Boostedminivan/vw%20gti/DSC01255.jpg

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[Clay]

Im disappointed....... I dont see one wood screw holding that IC on! ;)

[bradp]

Im disappointed....... I dont see one wood screw holding that IC on! ;)

:lol: I was thinking zip ties

[black86glhs]

Yeah really? What is up with that. No deck screws?
Seriously, looks good. Whats the boost your gonna run?

[cordes]

Tell me you aren't rolling around town with that large IC behind the bumper, yet the car is sans turbo?

Also don't tell me that you are driving a TM for a DD while this thing is in pieces.

[Dave]

Yeah really? What is up with that. No deck screws?
Seriously, looks good. Whats the boost your gonna run?

lol If only I had a drill with some balls to punch through the bumper. :thumb: Roughly 8-9 psi when I first drive it. My plan is around mid season to start turning it up and max out the fuel pump. Maybe at the end of the season I'll install an inline Walbro and see how much punishment the stock clutch will take.


Tell me you aren't rolling around town with that large IC behind the bumper, yet the car is sans turbo?

Also don't tell me that you are driving a TM for a DD while this thing is in pieces.

Oh yah. I actually need to cut the intercooler bracket off, flip it over and re weld. It's going to sit way to far forward and I really don't want to hack a $900 Oettinger bumper cover.

Yep, the Acclaim is still rollin'!

[t3rse]

krauter...lol

[anokabball24]

Awesome. This thing will absolutely rip with the proper tune, considering stock 1.8Ts with a 50 trim t3/t4 are laying down 350 whp.

[cordes]

krauter...lol

:lol:

[bradp]

kraut..kraut...kraut...2 with wieners one without!!!

[Dave]

Awesome. This thing will absolutely rip with the proper tune, considering stock 1.8Ts with a 50 trim t3/t4 are laying down 350 whp.

From what I'm seeing with other similar setups, on roughly 8-9psi people are putting down 260-290WHP. I'm running a simple flash load from a company called C2 Motorsports. They have customers DDing 500+WHP VR6T's on their software with no other tuning devices.

[Mike_Shepard]

I have driven an APR stage 3+ can at 30psi and boy oh boy was that fun

[Big_P]

Fahrfrommoovin...

Dave I can't believe you went to the dark side!

[BIG PSI]

Fahrfrommoovin...

Dave I can't believe you went to the dark side!


He is so far in the DARK side I hardly ever see him.
Between the VW, work (Summit Racing), and his G/F there is no DAD time !!!!

I wish him the best with the VW, but it won't catch the MINI
Cubic Dollars will always outdo youth and enthusiasm.

Chuck

[Dave]

He is so far in the DARK side I hardly ever see him.
Between the VW, work (Summit Racing), and his G/F there is no DAD time !!!!

I wish him the best with the VW, but it won't catch the MINI
Cubic Dollars will always outdo youth and enthusiasm.

Chuck

You should work night shifts, then we'll see each other. ;)

You can't go wrong with 178 CU and a set of twins. I think it might catch the van if I up the boost a little. I don't know, we'll see how everything works.

[Dave]

Almost done...

Where it sits...

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo328/Boostedminivan/vw%20gti/DSC01652.jpg?t=1236744747

60-1 F157 Turbo...

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo328/Boostedminivan/vw%20gti/DSC01634.jpg?t=1236744896

5" thick FMIC...

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo328/Boostedminivan/vw%20gti/DSC01659.jpg?t=1236745140

T3, .82 A/R turbine with a Stage 3 wheel...

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo328/Boostedminivan/vw%20gti/DSC01658.jpg?t=1236745467

4" inlet (just like Rob's 10 second Charger, I had to do a little massagging to make it fit. :thumb: )......

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo328/Boostedminivan/vw%20gti/DSC01648.jpg?t=1236745252

That's it... Should be running Sunday.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo328/Boostedminivan/vw%20gti/DSC01662.jpg?t=1236745323

[bradp]

Sweet

[contraption22]

Pretty cool!

My friend Mike also has a 2001 Golf. But it's a 1.8T 4 door. Here's a link to it.

http://www.eurotuner.com/featuredvehicles/eurp_0903_2001_mike_tansey_vw_golf_gls_1_8t/index.html

[Captain Chaos]

kraut..kraut...kraut...2 with wieners one without!!!

http://www.devilbrad.com/images/RandomPics/rolling.gif

[BIG PSI]

This Sunday we should have around 4 other guys here helping stir the brew on the GTI.
With some luck and skill it should LIVE again.

Chuck

[2.216VTurbo]

LittlePSI is sure lucky that BigPSI is a gearhead too.:thumb: Methinks BigPSI helps a little with funding as well:eyebrows:...

[BIG PSI]

Just wanted to let everyone know that Bryan (goes by DAVE in here) got his 2001 VW GTI
with the V6 motor running Sunday.
It has a mean idle, runs really well, and I am VERY Proud of him.
He did mostly on his own money.
But most important he did most of the work.

WTG Bryan
Dad

[anokabball24]

Bump for pics, vids, dyno numbers.

[BIG PSI]

I took his VW to the dyno on a Saturday while he was at work at Summit Racing on 4-18-09.
The temp was 85 degrees with 13% humidity. On 10 pounds of boost the car put down
332.86 fwhp & 295.87 lb/ft of torque.
This was on a dynojet dyno.

I will see if I can post some pictures.

Chuck

[2.216VTurbo]

Very nice, that thing must rip! Maybe you should ease the boost back down a couple so Dave keeps his licence intact:p

[BIG PSI]

We are going to take the VW & my newest Turbo Mini Van to Dragway 42 tomorrow to see what they will run. Both will be on regular street tires. I am hoping to see the VW run 12.70 @ 110.
The Mini should run 14.35 @ 96 is my guess. We leave at 9:00am SUNDAY.

I will post up some video & pictures then.

Chuck

[BIG PSI]

Well we went to the track today and the Mini was a PIG.
The stock trans is junk.
It ran a best of 15.672 @ 87.07 on 12 psi of boost.
Stock P195-75r14 tires with 32 psi of air, 1/3 tank of 93, and a 20 mph headwind.

The VW was having a BIG problem with traction and managed a best of
13.942 @ 109.21 with a 2.385 sixty foot time.
13.852 @ 108.18 with a 2.447
13.917 @ 108.71 with a 2.405

Chuck

[Aries_Turbo]

congrats!

i think now that its fast, it needs a syncro driveline :)

Brian

[Dave]

congrats!

i think now that its fast, it needs a syncro driveline :)

Brian

Bank! I don't the have the money for a cryo'd cluster shaft/gears and a Peloquin. That would ensure atleast a season of entertainment. :)

[anokabball24]

So the consensus is, 1st gear = useless?

Maybe even 2nd...

[Aries_Turbo]

Bank! I don't the have the money for a cryo'd cluster shaft/gears and a Peloquin. That would ensure atleast a season of entertainment. :)

you know i meant AWD right? just checking cause you dont need peloquins and cryo treated stuff with that.

[anokabball24]

Pics!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Dave]

you know i meant AWD right? just checking cause you dont need peloquins and cryo treated stuff with that.

An 02M conversion from a R32 could not be done very cheap either...


Pics!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Here you go.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo328/Boostedminivan/vw%20gti/DSC01924.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo328/Boostedminivan/vw%20gti/DSC01919.jpg

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And then it went boom...

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I'll be tossing in another stock long block soon and hopefully ride out the rest of the season with no more issues.

[Aries_Turbo]

detonation?

what kind of engine management/tuning are you using?

Brian

[cordes]

detonation?

what kind of engine management/tuning are you using?

Brian

You beat me to it on that one.

[contraption22]

A little bit of blue tape will fix that.

[Clay]

eh, that ----'ll buff out!

[LynX853]

stuff a rag in it, It will be fine! haha

actually with those mph trap speeds, with tractions I don't see why you shouldn't get into high 12's

and a stock longblock? maybe its a good time for some dished forged pistons.. just a thought!

[Aries_Turbo]

i dunno about needing forged stuff. VR6 motors have been historically strong stock. like 400+ strong with good tuning and careful attention to timing and knock.

brian

[Dave]

i dunno about needing forged stuff. VR6 motors have been historically strong stock. like 400+ strong with good tuning and careful attention to timing and knock.

brian

You know the VW stuff pretty well, I've seen. ;) The stock bottom end is a forged crank, cast I-beam rods and hypereutectic pistons. Most people are good up to 450WHP on a daily app. Again, I only laid down 333WHP.


detonation?

what kind of engine management/tuning are you using?

Brian

Detonation didn't seem to be the killer. Found no signs of salt and pepper and any other 5 cylinders. The general thought is crystalline fracturing of the crown (shown below). Seems to have been a weak casted piston which maybe would have never shown a problem, have it not been for the extra stress.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo328/Boostedminivan/vw%20gti/DSC02105.jpg?t=1245992491

Engine Management:
I'm using a flash tune from C2 Motorsports, which most people have seemed to have good luck with. I wasnt watching knock, but the company (and many others online :)) said 10-12psi is "usually" tops on stock compression ratio and a stock fuel pump.

[t3rse]

holy peoples car engine batman! good luck! Fun having a nice and quick car isn't it...

[dds78910]

Do you have any other close up pics of the fractured areas?

[Dave]

Do you have any other close up pics of the fractured areas?

Not yet, but I will take some for you.

[black86glhs]

Makes you wonder if that cylinder went lean.

[Dave]

It's alive...and has a small exhaust leak. ;)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yy2HDh1XGg8

[Vigo]

Cool :)

[cordes]

How has your game plan changed to keep the rods in the motor this time?

[Vigo]

.. probably not at all. It never should have blown in the first place.

My turbo-swapped aries was bought as a 92 hp 2.2 with a thrown rod and holed block..

92/4= 23hp. You know 23hp in that cylinder didnt break that rod. Sometimes ---- just happens.

[Dave]

.. probably not at all. It never should have blown in the first place.

My turbo-swapped aries was bought as a 92 hp 2.2 with a thrown rod and holed block..

92/4= 23hp. You know 23hp in that cylinder didnt break that rod. Sometimes ---- just happens.

Exactly. We'll try it again. If I break something again in similar fashion I'll now know these engines are not as strong as people online say they are. We'll find out. :)

[cordes]

Exactly. We'll try it again. If I break something again in similar fashion I'll now know these engines are not as strong as people online say they are. We'll find out. :)

I thought you were data logging and had some detonation?

[Aries_Turbo]

timing!!!!! timing!!!!! TIMING!!!!! :)

you need true knock datalogging and then to be able to adjust the timing accordingly.

Brian

[Dave]

timing!!!!! timing!!!!! TIMING!!!!! :)

you need true knock datalogging and then to be able to adjust the timing accordingly.

Brian


Still need VAGCom to datalog. I'll try and be a bit more careful until I get enough money for it.

[Aries_Turbo]

no one has one around that you can borrow? i know some guys near me have them and there is always someone around looking to borrow it for a few hrs here and there.

Brian

[Mario]

It's pretty cheap to set it up....especially considering the cost of another engine. I've used it on a few of my VW Products.

[Dave]

It's pretty cheap to set it up....especially considering the cost of another engine. I've used it on a few of my VW Products.

:nod: Good to hear!

[Mario]

Here's a tutorial for you:

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=158766

Here's the cable for $13 for you:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/USB-OBD2-OBDII-Vag-Com-KKL-Interface-Cable-for-Audi-VW_W0QQitemZ150344576004QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_ Automotive_Tools?hash=item23013c2c04&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245