Dyno Results!

[turboshadow]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/turboshadow05/dyno.jpg
1st run is 11 degrees timing
2nd run is 15 degrees timing
Still only getting 16psi and wayyy rich

[2.216VTurbo]

Third run, drop the fuel pressure a few PSI?

[cordes]

Is your boost spiking right there or what?

[turboshadow]

Is your boost spiking right there or what?

Torque converter lock up

[cordes]

Torque converter lock up

I didn't even realize that your car was an auto.

[GLHNSLHT2]

take out 20% of the fuel and you'd be right there.

[turboshadow]

Ya im going to start looking into a afpr. My set up is t2 injectors on a stock t1 cal.

[GLHNSLHT2]

Maybe just drop a T2 SMEC in there? Be cheaper than getting an afpr :)

[moparzrule]

Mitsu turbo? Whats your whole setup?

[R/T]

I knew we were waaaay rich, but wow!! :lol:

And we need to get it to hold 18/20 PSI like it used to.

I'm reall happy with the timimg change, 3* = 10hp and 20 ft lbs... :thumb:

We have homework to do, but considering it went high 13's like this, I see a bright future.... :nod:

Good info. ;)

[turboshadow]

Mitsu turbo? Whats your whole setup?

Yup a mitsu, 2.5inch side exit, graiger, cut out razor, big ebay intercooler, t2 injectors, and intake.

[BadAssPerformance]

First off, nice Dyno runs! :thumb:


Third run, drop the fuel pressure a few PSI?


take out 20% of the fuel and you'd be right there.

Ummm... turbo car? to lean it out, its more fun to add boost than to reduce fuel :)


I knew we were waaaay rich, but wow!! :lol:

And we need to get it to hold 18/20 PSI like it used to.

I'm reall happy with the timimg change, 3* = 10hp and 20 ft lbs... :thumb:

We have homework to do, but considering it went high 13's like this, I see a bright future.... :nod:

Good info. ;)

Exactly, 18psi FTW! :thumb: If its that rich, i'd try that first and nothing else except maybebacking timing off a tad. 1° is on the edge of being high on the timing tho at higher boost... Maybe cuz timing is what melts stuff, but I always thing 14° is the theoretical best limit? Remember 1° on a 4cyl is like 2° on a V8...

EDIT: And I would not say that 11:1 is waaaay rich... ;)

[GLHNSLHT2]

Ummm... turbo car? to lean it out, its more fun to add boost than to reduce fuel :)


Sure that works if you're beyond what the map can see and if your setup can take it. Is the OP on lightweight rods? Not sure raising the boost is a great idea there. Also it's richer in the lower rpms, leaner in the mid range and richer on the top end. Need to play with the pumping efficiency table some in the cal to fix that assuming the boost is equal throughout the rpm range. But by doing that you could pick up more power at both extremes and use less fuel to boot :)

[Anonymous_User]

18/20 on a mitsu? Will the increased boost lean out the mixture or will it simply superheat the intake charge?

[moparzrule]

18/20 on a mitsu? Will the increased boost lean out the mixture or will it simply superheat the intake charge?

I've run 24 PSI on the mitsu, on pump gas. As long as you have a decent IC it will be perfectly fine at 18-20. Stock T2 IC might get heat soaked quickly, I had a large FMIC so I can't say for sure but mine was fine. Upper pipes were still cool to the touch, lower pipes hot but not burn your hand off hot.
And as JT mentioned, I wouldn't call 11:1 a very rich mixture. I shoot for 11.5-11.8 myself.

[Anonymous_User]

I've run 24 PSI on the mitsu, on pump gas. As long as you have a decent IC it will be perfectly fine at 18-20. Stock T2 IC might get heat soaked quickly, I had a large FMIC so I can't say for sure but mine was fine. Upper pipes were still cool to the touch, lower pipes hot but not burn your hand off hot.
And as JT mentioned, I wouldn't call 11:1 a very rich mixture. I shoot for 11.5-11.8 myself.


Interesting. I haven't run a mitsu on anything bigger than a Probe IC. And that was many many years ago.

[turboshadow]

I can usually get about 18/19 out of it but lately its been hard and to get, it seems to be around 16. Im going to go through all my map lines and IC stuff to check for leaks but thats going to have to wait till spring:(

[moparzrule]

Interesting. I haven't run a mitsu on anything bigger than a Probe IC. And that was many many years ago.

The probe IC has no internal fins IIRC, that means poor cooling ability.

[GLHNSLHT2]

I'd say if you're loosing boost on the mitsu it's more than likely on it's way out.

[ShadowFromHell]

I REALLY recommend going to a T2 computer. REALLY REALLY REALLY recommend it. I have a 88 shadow es, and while it had a t2 swap, with a t2 turbo I ran it for quite a while on the 88 T1 computer. Once I tracked down a T2 comp and swapped it in, I was kicking my self for not doing it sooner! It made a HUGE difference in SOTP power. The 88 T1 computer was a one year unit, and I think it was programed very conservative to keep the non-ic T1 cars alive. You have the large FMIC, I would really take advantage off the T2 computer at this point.

While I can not verify this, because it was so many years ago. I THINK my shadow went from 15.4's to a 14.6 by changing to the T2 computer. The reason I am not sure about this, is because I never purposely ran the car under 20psi once I swapped to the T2 computer. Before the T2 and the 20 psi of boost the car ran 15.4's. But, I ran a dual stage boost controller, 14 and 20 psi. I made a pass one time and ran a 14.6. I couldn't figure out why I had lost 6 tenths, until I realized I hadn't bumped the boost up after getting out of 1st. But this was 5-6 years ago, and I am not 100% on those numbers. I had also gotten alot more seat time in between those runs, and had got alot better at driving the car. I don't think your gonna pick up 8 tenths, but I think its pretty obvious, its a worthy upgrade.

[turbovanman²]

Holy old thread from the past, :p

[ShadowFromHell]

It was linked in a current thread, sorry.

[turboshadow]

I actually just took this car back to they dyno a few week's ago.:eyebrows:
It put down 180whp and 213 ft/lbs, my boost issue was from a weak wastegate spring and was easily cured with a some extra springs.
I ran it last weekend at turbopalooza and got a new best trap speed of 97.50mph but traction was difficult to find.
Hopefully over this winter the mitsu will be ditched for a t2 garret its been long overdue. :amen:

[shackwrrr]

2.5 t1? through the stock exhaust but with a bastard hybrid turbo I made 210hp and 265 ft lbs on stock boost through an intercooler. I had a bit of spark blowout too. I am guessing that computer is extremely anemic with the timing coupled with the highly restrictive turbo you are way down on power.

[moparzrule]

BS, you aren't getting a 60 WHP gain over stock with just a turbo upgrade at the same amount of boost on a mostly stock setup.

[shackwrrr]

BS, you aren't getting a 60 WHP gain over stock with just a turbo upgrade at the same amount of boost on a mostly stock setup.

I had it on the dyno at my school, If you think about it a 2.2 t2 had 170 some hp at stock boost. I meant to say I am at around 14psi not stock boost. I have the balance shafts removed and I have a tbi cam. Along with the error rate of the dyno I probably have anywhere from 195-200 truthfully. I am also running a aftermarket intercooler and 2.5 mandrel bent hard pipes.

[Vigo]

2.5 t1?

88 was the only year of 2.2/mitsu T1.

2.2 vs 2.5 torque is not even close. I guess turboshadow 'fixed' his boost means 16+psi, i dynoed 320lb ft @ 16psi on a 2.5 with a stock motor and FMIC.

Turboshadow, what was the boost level on the 180whp run?

[moparzrule]

I had it on the dyno at my school, If you think about it a 2.2 t2 had 170 some hp at stock boost. I meant to say I am at around 14psi not stock boost. I have the balance shafts removed and I have a tbi cam. Along with the error rate of the dyno I probably have anywhere from 195-200 truthfully. I am also running a aftermarket intercooler and 2.5 mandrel bent hard pipes.

Yeah 170 hp AT THE CRANK not the wheels.
An all bone stock T2 engine would put down around 150 WHP. A better IC wouldn't do much if anything at 14 PSI over the stock T2 IC, especially with a larger turbo (should be making less heat).
Your dyno is not corrected at all then because you aren't making anymore than 170-180 WHP if that with the stock corked exhaust system at 14 PSI.

[turboshadow]

88 was the only year of 2.2/mitsu T1.

2.2 vs 2.5 torque is not even close. I guess turboshadow 'fixed' his boost means 16+psi, i dynoed 320lb ft @ 16psi on a 2.5 with a stock motor and FMIC.

Turboshadow, what was the boost level on the 180whp run?

It was around 19psi, the car is also a automatic so I wonder if im loosing some more power through drivtrain loss then a manual car would.

[R/T]

Ignition timing was at 15* base, fuel pressure was at 40psi base.

Does anybody *know* what HP% the automatic eats up??? :confused2:

All in all I'm suprised it only takes 188WHP to run 13's!! :clap:

[shackwrrr]

Yeah 170 hp AT THE CRANK not the wheels.
An all bone stock T2 engine would put down around 150 WHP. A better IC wouldn't do much if anything at 14 PSI over the stock T2 IC, especially with a larger turbo (should be making less heat).
Your dyno is not corrected at all then because you aren't making anymore than 170-180 WHP if that with the stock corked exhaust system at 14 PSI.

its a bastard t3/t4 50 trim wheel in a stock t3 housing, Still a hair dryer. I am not going to keep trying to prove to you something that happened right in front of me.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlWyVHj9p-4

this is the same dyno that I ran on right here at university of northwestern ohio. I know and talk to Miles aka belvedere383 that is friends with aaron aka 8valves that both went of go to this school they know what dyno this is. I will give it to you that it isnt the most accurate thing in the world but its not the extreme amount you are acting like it is.

[moparzrule]

Hmmm yes, a dyno of a camaro, now I'm convinced :rolleyes:

50 trim T04E cold side with a .48 stock wheel hot side? Now it's even less believable as the only thing you would get from that on an all stock setup is more lag not even 1 more HP over a stock T2 turbo perhaps LESS.

If it did read 210 WHP, some calibration on the dyno was way off. 170 WHP is generous for that setup you mentioned. Look at the OP in this thread, 16 PSI was making 163 WHP and that was with an uncorked exhaust. With a better tune he'd have probably made around 170. The mitsu at 16 PSI free flow exhaust VS your bastard turbo at 14 PSI but corked exhaust is probably a wash at best. You were making 170, tops.

[shackwrrr]

Hmmm yes, a dyno of a camaro, now I'm convinced :rolleyes:

50 trim T04E cold side with a .48 stock wheel hot side? Now it's even less believable as the only thing you would get from that on an all stock setup is more lag not even 1 more HP over a stock T2 turbo perhaps LESS.

If it did read 210 WHP, some calibration on the dyno was way off. 170 WHP is generous for that setup you mentioned. Look at the OP in this thread, 16 PSI was making 163 WHP and that was with an uncorked exhaust. With a better tune he'd have probably made around 170. The mitsu at 16 PSI free flow exhaust VS your bastard turbo at 14 PSI but corked exhaust is probably a wash at best. You were making 170, tops.

I was showing the dyno, not the car. Its a .63 stg2 hotside. Its been a while since I did it, I may have been running open 2.5 downpipe I think it was my drag run that I ran with full exhaust.

[shackwrrr]

oh and with the calculator and my around 2800-2900 race weight and 190hp it puts me right at what I ran in the 1/4 WITH a 2.60 60 foot

[moparzrule]

I was showing the dyno, not the car. Its a .63 stg2 hotside. Its been a while since I did it, I may have been running open 2.5 downpipe I think it was my drag run that I ran with full exhaust.

Hmm, things keep changing.


oh and with the calculator and my around 2800-2900 race weight and 190hp it puts me right at what I ran in the 1/4 WITH a 2.60 60 foot

And thats why I think you've been completely full of $hit this entire time. You don't even know the weight of your car, thats a guess, and with a 2.60 short time there's no way you can go off of ET or trap speed to get an accurate HP figure by way of a calculator.
So tell me, what was your 1/4 mile pass ET and trap speed? 1/8 mile?

[shackwrrr]

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52114

Why do I need to prove myself to a complete stranger, Im done

[DodgeZ]

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52114

Why do I need to prove myself to a complete stranger, Im done


http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/profile.php?do=ignorelist

[moparzrule]

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52114

Why do I need to prove myself to a complete stranger, Im done

hahaha, if I had a million dollars I would have bet it ALL that you were gonna say that you were done because at this point you are just digging yourself deeper into your BS.

You were proved wrong in your own thread, 92 MPH trap speed does not get you even close to 210 WHP (actually in that thread you stated it was 215 WHP, so yet again even another inconsistancy).

And funnier yet, you said your best 60' was 2.27 with a 14.62 run, but later down the thread you said you ran a 15.1 with a 2.34 60'. So, did you just miss a shift or just still more BS? I wish 7/100 of a second better 60' would take 1/2 second off my timeslip more often :nod:

[1qk4dr]

I actually just took this car back to they dyno a few week's ago.:eyebrows:
It put down 180whp and 213 ft/lbs, my boost issue was from a weak wastegate spring and was easily cured with a some extra springs.
I ran it last weekend at turbopalooza and got a new best trap speed of 97.50mph but traction was difficult to find.
Hopefully over this winter the mitsu will be ditched for a t2 garret its been long overdue. :amen:

Which dyno number did they give you? SAE STD or Uncorrected

[ShadowFromHell]

I got called a liar on the neons forums when my almost stock SOHC/5spd sedan went 15.8 on a bog.... All my neon buddies were pissed to that my nearly stock sohc was running with their modded DOHC cars. But I had a trick up my sleeve... and I wasnt cheating ;)

[moparzrule]

I got called a liar on the neons forums when my almost stock SOHC/5spd sedan went 15.8 on a bog.... All my neon buddies were pissed to that my nearly stock sohc was running with their modded DOHC cars. But I had a trick up my sleeve... and I wasnt cheating ;)

The thing that makes me think he's lying is the inconsistancy in the things he says. One time it's this, next time it's that.

[Vigo]

I had a very lightly modded SOHC neon that felt better than 15.8, and best mod was invisible: 3.94 trans. And the BEST best part was i put it in by accident. :lol:


All in all I'm suprised it only takes 188WHP to run 13's!!

Man, who ISNT surprised.. very cool.

I gotta say, from here, i really like that shadow. I like that its 87-88 body style (best of pbody imo), i like that its 4dr (rarer, more practical, better proportioned imo), i like that its black w/ red trim (best color combo on that body imo), i like the painted crabs on it, and i like the 1/4 mile performance. :amen:

[turboshadow]

I know its a little late but here is the graph.

[ShadowFromHell]

The thing that makes me think he's lying is the inconsistancy in the things he says. One time it's this, next time it's that.

This thread just got bumped, and I just read your post and thought you were calling ME a liar... Good thing I re-read the post, I was pissed! lol