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ScottD
11-05-2008, 03:06 PM
I'm looking for wheels for a set of slicks I bought for my SRT-4. The slick size is 24.5x8x15.

I know Kosei K1s 15x7 will fit. I'm looking for a cheaper alternative.

I've read PT cruiser 15x6 steelies will fit, but also read in another thread on here that they rubbed? Will steel 15in Neon rims fit?

Any thoughts appreciated.

shadow88
11-05-2008, 03:23 PM
The pt cruiser steel rims fit. No rubbing issues with stock suspension or with mopar stage 2 coil-overs. Those are the ones I have personal experience with.

They are 15x6 and the part number that's stamped into those rims is 05272864-ab

turbovanmanČ
11-05-2008, 05:12 PM
Slipstreams rock, and they look cool. I wouldn't agree the're cheap, unless you find a used set.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a228/turbovanman/CanonCamerapics-workcamera024.jpg

contraption22
11-05-2008, 05:18 PM
For a light wheel $125 each isn't very expensive.

Keito
11-05-2008, 07:08 PM
PT steel wheels will rub if you have new brake pads, I know.
I bought a pair with drag radials when my car had 1200 miles on it and they rubbed.
Today no problem.

ScottD
11-05-2008, 07:37 PM
PT steel wheels will rub if you have new brake pads, I know.
I bought a pair with drag radials when my car had 1200 miles on it and they rubbed.
Today no problem.

Yes, it was your post I had read before about them rubbing. That's interesting.

I was reading on SRT forums about using VW rims. Ideally I'd like a 7 inch wide rim that's cheap and from the junkyard. What about GM cars? I know Bruce Bender was using Fiero wheels on his Omni at one point. I believe many GM cars have the same bolt pattern. Caliper clearance would still be the issue.

Thanks for all the ideas so far.

Xtrempickup
11-06-2008, 07:23 PM
the vw wheels are a good pickup but hard to find, the 5x 100 rims are on the newer ones and not many of them are in the yards yet

rich tideswell
11-06-2008, 08:15 PM
Scott,

PT steelies will fit, no issues, ever. SRT-4's use PT brakes / knuckles/ control arms, so if someone was having rubbing issues, they effed up or have an effed up wheel. The only thing bad about them is that around in my area, they want $75/ wheel from the junkyard, new ones aren't much more.

I picked up a set of VW steelies for mine, haven't put them on yet. I've been told, but never confermed for myself Stratus sedan wheels also fit. Coupes have the 114.3" bolt pattern and do not work.

slasky
11-06-2008, 08:19 PM
i use these for my snow tires. They used to be $45 each but they are now $65.

http://www.discounttiredirect.com/direct/findWheelDetail.do?wd=15&pc=72514&rw=6&bp=5-100

ScottD
11-06-2008, 08:22 PM
Scott,

PT steelies will fit, no issues, ever. SRT-4's use PT brakes / knuckles/ control arms, so if someone was having rubbing issues, they effed up or have an effed up wheel. The only thing bad about them is that around in my area, they want $75/ wheel from the junkyard, new ones aren't much more.

I picked up a set of VW steelies for mine, haven't put them on yet. I've been told, but never confermed for myself Stratus sedan wheels also fit. Coupes have the 114.3" bolt pattern and do not work.

Interesting tidbit. Thanks Rich!

amoparacer
11-07-2008, 11:01 AM
The Ones Im running are 23X8X15 but I have a 3.50 gear set. next time I may try the 24s but I run 1.75 to 1.80 60 foots now so Im pretty happy. THE OTHER WHEELS YOU COULD USE is the Pontiac Ferro wheels the rear wheels are 15/7 dont get the fronts they are 15/6. THEY ARE ALUMINUM

gvare001
11-07-2008, 08:18 PM
The wheels from edgeracing fit. They even fit the big brakes setup.

Vigo
11-07-2008, 09:16 PM
then they are automatically the ----. NO other way to get that light, decent looking of a wheel for 89$. I plan on buying them for slicks when i get around to that, especially because i have cars with both 5x100 and 5x114.3 patterns.

gvare001
11-07-2008, 09:34 PM
I had a set that I sold to a buddy in Wisconsin, he's now using them in his Shelby Z.

contraption22
11-08-2008, 11:45 PM
The wheels from edgeracing fit. They even fit the big brakes setup.

You're absolutely positive they fit the SRT-4?

gvare001
11-10-2008, 01:50 PM
I'm not sure about the SRT-4, but if you search this forum, I remember somebody mentioning that they had a set on an SRT-4.

mpboost
11-17-2008, 02:53 PM
http://memimage.cardomain.com/member_images/9/web/2193000-2193999/2193215_54_full.jpg

I have a set of Rota Slipstreams that fit snuggly over stock brakes. I've run 11.9's with a tiny 23" slick. The 24.5" slick is definitely the better choice for these cars.

I now have big 13" TCE/Wilwood brakes for autocrossing and track outings, and unfortunately there isn't a 15" that will fit over those.

Ondonti
02-26-2009, 10:37 PM
Edgeracing website doesn't work.........

I thought I have VW wheels and they are the ones that rub when you put new brake pads on...because that happened to me. Bent a tie rod when I found out.

That or the shop gave me PT steelies and Bansheenut somehow got VW wheels on his slicks. Those things fit without spacers.

My wheels need 1/4" spacers and some positive camber and they still can rub.

Aries_Turbo
02-26-2009, 10:38 PM
6.5" crabs with 22x8x15 mt's fit no problem. loaned them to a friend at the track. dunno if the 24.5 will cause a problem but a small spacer would solve that.

Brian

contraption22
02-27-2009, 03:07 PM
Guys,

I just got off the phone with a Rota dealer. She said she can get me a pair of 15x7.5 Slipstreams, 5x100, with a 20mm offset for 260 shipped. That should be pretty much perfect and I probably would not even need wheel spacers, correct!?

Ondonti
02-28-2009, 04:38 AM
15x8 and then I would be excited.

contraption22
02-28-2009, 02:55 PM
15x8 and then I would be excited.


15x8's are available. Try to contain your excitement.

Ondonti
02-28-2009, 05:53 PM
15x8's are available. Try to contain your excitement.
Are the ones you want..."custom"?
From the srt-4 camp i only see 7" wide and 40 something backspace.

I would love to get a cheap rota wheel that could handle a 26x10.

contraption22
02-28-2009, 07:05 PM
Are the ones you want..."custom"?
From the srt-4 camp i only see 7" wide and 40 something backspace.

I would love to get a cheap rota wheel that could handle a 26x10.

They may be custom. They said that the wheels I am getting are a common order for Neons. I ordered them and they will be here probably next week.

Here's where I found them.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130287339056&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&viewitem=

I called them up and asked them if i could order just two. It was no problem.

www.18racing.com

Ondonti
02-28-2009, 07:49 PM
Good find. The add says to call them if you want something they cant find.
That wheel should be listed on srt forums instead of they crap they have listed.

contraption22
03-11-2009, 09:54 AM
Good find. The add says to call them if you want something they cant find.
That wheel should be listed on srt forums instead of they crap they have listed.

My slipstreams arrived Monday. I may take one into the garage and test fit it onto the SRT-4, but I don't have the slicks mounted yet. Should have plenty of room.

These wheels look awesome and are pretty light. I'll weigh them too.

I wonder if they would be willing to make some matching 15x3" skinnies! lol.

turbojerk
03-11-2009, 12:50 PM
My slipstreams arrived Monday. I may take one into the garage and test fit it onto the SRT-4, but I don't have the slicks mounted yet. Should have plenty of room.

These wheels look awesome and are pretty light. I'll weigh them too.

I wonder if they would be willing to make some matching 15x3" skinnies! lol.

Where did you order the Slip's from Mike?

contraption22
03-11-2009, 06:44 PM
Troy,

www.18racing.com Phone: (925) 339-3828

The girl i spoke to never heard of am Omni before... so rather than explain it, I just said it takes the same stuff as a Neon.

turbojerk
03-11-2009, 08:08 PM
Troy,

www.18racing.com Phone: (925) 339-3828

The girl i spoke to never heard of am Omni before... so rather than explain it, I just said it takes the same stuff as a Neon.

Kewl!

Thanks man!:thumb:

contraption22
03-12-2009, 10:26 AM
Kewl!

Thanks man!:thumb:

Hey no problem. And if you need 4... here's a set of 4 of the same ones I got.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130287339056&viewitem=

contraption22
03-12-2009, 12:27 PM
stretch on a motorcycle slick...lol

Actually, some SRT-4 owners do just that. They use 17" motorcycle slicks.

DodgeZ
03-12-2009, 01:27 PM
http://www.srtforums.com/forums/f258/slicks-srt4s-348650/index3.html#post4722271

contraption22
03-12-2009, 04:34 PM
Does anybody have any objection to me cleaning up this thread leaving only SRT-4 Neon specific information?

Ondonti
03-12-2009, 06:56 PM
clean it up please. there is good info here. And weigh your wheels.

ScottD
03-12-2009, 08:17 PM
Does anybody have any objection to me cleaning up this thread leaving only SRT-4 Neon specific information?

No - thanks Mike.

contraption22
03-14-2009, 10:20 AM
clean it up please. there is good info here. And weigh your wheels.

I tried the bathroom scale method, but depending on how I stood on the scale, it would vary 2-3 lbs. So, I used a fish scale.

I half---- tested the accuracy of the scale using a gallon of water, which on the scale weighed 8.5lbs. Supposedly a gallon of water should weigh 8.36 lbs, and figuring in the weight of the container... 8.5 lbs should mean that the scale is accurate enough for our purposes here.

The Rota Slipstream 15x7.5" (and one shoestring) wheel weighs 14lbs. Thats roughly 5 lbs lighter than a Pizza wheel I weighed on the same scale on another occasion.

contraption22
03-14-2009, 12:12 PM
A little bit more info. I test fitted them on my SRT-4. They have about 1.5" minimum clearance to the front calipers in the critical areas. I'll take more measurements when I have the slicks mounted, but it looks like they shouldn't be a problem.

DodgeZ
03-14-2009, 12:52 PM
Does anybody have any objection to me cleaning up this thread leaving only SRT-4 Neon specific information?

I do Mike

Frank
03-14-2009, 02:26 PM
There is some good information in there. I would say split the thread.

DodgeZ
03-14-2009, 04:31 PM
I moved the TM wheels posts here
http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/showthread.php?p=451011#post451011

contraption22
03-14-2009, 09:26 PM
I moved the TM wheels posts here
http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/showthread.php?p=451011#post451011



Herzlichen Dank!:drum:

Aries_Turbo
03-15-2009, 06:49 PM
another option is diamond racing wheels. they will make steelies in any shape or size.

they have 5x100 15" wheels in 15x7 and 15x8 from 50-100$ a wheel.

http://www.diamondracingwheels.com/

Brian

contraption22
03-15-2009, 10:42 PM
I have a set of aluminum 15" Neon snowflake or "pulsar" wheels. They fit without spacers with worn brake pads. They fit anytime with an 1/8" spacer.

Ondonti
03-15-2009, 11:56 PM
The Diamonds are pretty dang heavy....The only good thing I see is that the wider rims are not going to be hard to get.

If we could fit 13" diamond rims then they start looking more attractive.

t3rse
03-16-2009, 02:59 AM
15x8.5 weighed 19#....not that heavy considering price...

Ondonti
03-16-2009, 04:28 AM
When you start running a rim for a 22 pound 26x10 slick, adding an extra 5 pounds so you have 41 pounds per wheel/tire in front is not so attractive.

snoman
03-16-2009, 11:21 AM
fill the tire with helium......

snoman
03-16-2009, 11:23 AM
yes im kidding

t3rse
03-16-2009, 12:38 PM
When you start running a rim for a 22 pound 26x10 slick, adding an extra 5 pounds so you have 41 pounds per wheel/tire in front is not so attractive.

Yes, but with a smaller rim, most of the mass is toward the middle, so the rotational mass comes mostly from the tire, and suspension harmonics are less of a concern in drag racing.

Ondonti
03-16-2009, 05:56 PM
Yes, but with a smaller rim, most of the mass is toward the middle, so the rotational mass comes mostly from the tire, and suspension harmonics are less of a concern in drag racing.

So why do we care about light rims?

turbovanmanČ
03-16-2009, 06:08 PM
So why do we care about light rims?

I would guess to reduce the mass of the vehicle.

I've wondered if lighter rims make it harder to launch due to being able to spin easier?????

contraption22
03-16-2009, 06:55 PM
I've wondered if lighter rims make it harder to launch due to being able to spin easier?????

I'll give you a chance to think about that for a while.

Aries_Turbo
03-16-2009, 08:07 PM
So why do we care about light rims?

we dont! :) well at least i dont. :)

Brian

Ondonti
03-17-2009, 01:45 AM
we dont! :) well at least i dont. :)

Brian

I am telling the Bogart Club here on you.

Food for though. I wrote these down awhile ago.
Diamond rims
13x7 13#
13x8 14#
13x9 15#

15x8 16# or 18# (not sure) Spun steel
I think the 16# is a typo because the 15x10 weighs 21# and their other 15x8 normal wheels are 18#
if its true then thats great.

K1
15x8 15#

Rota
15x7.5 14#

MT Slicks

24.5x9x13 16#
24.5x8x15 17#
26x8.5x15 19#
26x10x15 22#

I really wish they sold a 24.5x9 or 24.5x10 in the 15" size.

The 24.5x9x13 MT or 25x8.7x13 M&H are great "bigger" slicks but there is nothing aggressive in the 24.5" diameter 15" size.

sucks for SRT-4 guys who have to compete with hondas that can easily run 13's and the nasty slicks with massive sidewall!

Then compare the weight.
24.5x9x13 + diamond rim = 29 pounds

24.5x8x15 + diamond rim = 35 pounds

so, the 13" slick setup has 1" more tread on the ground, weigh much less and the weight is closer to the center of rotation, and has 2" more sidewall which is probably more important then the extra width.

Thats why the SRT-4 guys need 26x10's to keep up and then they break parts + those are not legal tires in normal FWD racing classes. Then their wheels/tires weigh 40 pounds.
Then when you add in lightweight racing rims, the disparity gets even worse. Also the 26" diameter probably isn't good for gearing unless they can rev high enough to never leave 3rd.

Some neon guys go to base model brakes I think........and try 13" but I am not sure.
My current brakes scare me so I am afraid of sticking with something that will fit 13" rims.

Aries_Turbo
03-17-2009, 08:28 PM
sucks for SRT-4 guys who have to compete with hondas that can easily run 13's and the nasty slicks with massive sidewall!

teeny omni brakes swap onto a SRT-4. im thinking it would be a bolt on given Kevin's (DodgeZ) evidence to the opposite swap of SRT-4 on an Omni. i know its a "downgrade" but if they want that little bit more of an edge in racing, its a viable option.

Brian

Ondonti
03-17-2009, 08:40 PM
Do omnis have decent brake parts available though? I cant stop from 120mph with my P body brakes.

DodgeZ
03-17-2009, 09:09 PM
Do omnis have decent brake parts available though? I cant stop from 120mph with my P body brakes.


There is something wrong with your brakes then...

turbovanmanČ
03-17-2009, 09:18 PM
I'll give you a chance to think about that for a while.

I thought and nothing, :o


Do omnis have decent brake parts available though? I cant stop from 120mph with my P body brakes.

Do you have the 11 inch front and rear discs??????? Those make alot of WOAH power, :amen:

Aries_Turbo
03-17-2009, 09:25 PM
omni brakes are fine for drag use as long as you use decent pads and keep the system maintained. i mean reeves can stop from 134+ :)

brian

fleckster
03-18-2009, 04:32 AM
True but he is planning on upgrading. He has been limited because of clearance for his 13" drag wheels. He has Wilwood drag brakes bought for the rear and the new lighter weight rear axle set up if he can ever get back from travel from work.

Ondonti
03-18-2009, 04:36 AM
True but he is planning on upgrading. He has been limited because of clearance for his 13" drag wheels. He has Wilwood drag brakes bought for the rear and the new lighter weight rear axle set up if he can ever get back from travel from work.
Thats not too comforting. Any input from the man himself?

Thats making 13" rims not sound like a good idea.

fleckster
03-19-2009, 02:34 AM
No, the brakes are stopping him from the 137mph trap speeds (stock GLH-T brakes) but he is approaching the limits he feels safe with. He was going to upgrade to other stock TD brakes from other cars (minivan or R/T) but then they definitely wouldn't fit in his race wheels. The only reason he was going with the Wilwood drag disc brakes in the rear was weight saving. (they are small too but they are discs - better then the stock drums) He is having a custom chrome-moly rear axle made and got a good deal on the super light brakes. I think he said he was losing about 60lbs total with the new rear axle and brake set up.

Aries_Turbo
03-19-2009, 06:58 AM
i wonder if porterfield (sp?) makes an aggressive compound pad for the smaller brakes.

something that really grabs hard and handles the heat.

brent, with all the gutting that you did to your car, i dont think youll have a problem stopping. youll need to use different knuckles though to run the small brakes. k car should work as they came with brakes that clear 1" wheels.

Brian

Vigo
03-19-2009, 09:07 AM
i assume you mean 13".. lol

you're looking for 85-89 aries and reliant to get the tiny 5-lug setup that fits under 13s. Its actually a fairly uncommon setup..

I can find them for you if you dont have the time or cant find them up there. Plenty in the yards down here.. +shipping of course. :)

contraption22
03-19-2009, 09:11 AM
i wonder if porterfield (sp?) makes an aggressive compound pad for the smaller brakes.

something that really grabs hard and handles the heat.

brent, with all the gutting that you did to your car, i dont think youll have a problem stopping. youll need to use different knuckles though to run the small brakes. k car should work as they came with brakes that clear 1" wheels.

Brian

What you have to worry about with some of those aggressive HP pads is that some of them don't stop well until they have a good amount of heat in them. Might make for a scary situation in the shutdown area.

snoman
03-19-2009, 10:24 AM
+ those are not legal tires in normal FWD racing classes. .


I feel dumb, but what are legal tiresizes? (forgive me I am trying to learn way to much way to fast)

really, you only need 13" in the front right? couldn't you run a larger rim in the back with a purportioning valve setup? it would make burnouts easier and then you could have some saftey factor at the far end too? I ask because this is what I ws thinking of doing, now I am wondering how far off I am in my thinking.

Ondonti
03-19-2009, 10:31 AM
I feel dumb, but what are legal tiresizes? (forgive me I am trying to learn way to much way to fast)

really, you only need 13" in the front right? couldn't you run a larger rim in the back with a purportioning valve setup? it would make burnouts easier and then you could have some saftey factor at the far end too? I ask because this is what I ws thinking of doing, now I am wondering how far off I am in my thinking.

25x8.7x15 MH or 24.5x9 MT are pretty much the limits on Sportsman FWD racing. Mostly because breakage goes up 400% or more with a 26" tire over the 25/24.5.

I dont know how crazy I would be about huge brakes in the rear of my car when stopping from high speeds.
Anyone know if 13" rims would fit over the smaller rear disc brakes?....for us AWD tinkerers to think about.

http://www.hawkinsspeedshop.com/categories/brake-systems/products/product-704.html
I think I hate Reeves now cause I want money to adapt these into an AWD rear axle.
They dont seem to do the 5x100........
http://www.hawkinsspeedshop.com/categories/brake-systems/products/images/140-0261bdWilwood8.jpg

Vigo
03-19-2009, 04:33 PM
theres not really a point to having huge brakes in the back because you can only use a small portion of that stopping power.. it has to be proportional to the front.

just think about this: just how much or how little would you be willing to put on the e-brake slowing down from 115? That gives you an idea of how too much rear brake is more likely to kill you than save you.

Now, if it was an AWD car that ran slicks in the back too, id be a LOT more comfortable using a lot of rear brake bias just because of the grip capabilities of the slicks.

Brent, i can put a 13" wheel i have over the solid rear disc setup and see if it works if you ask nicely :p

turbovanmanČ
03-19-2009, 06:14 PM
I don't think 13's will clear any TD disc brakes. 14" wheels are pretty close.

fleckster
03-19-2009, 06:17 PM
Um, Reeves is running stock GLH-T front discs with 13" Drag-N-Flys. See previous posts.

contraption22
03-19-2009, 06:19 PM
Remember when this thread was about wheels for slicks to fit SRT-4's?

turbovanmanČ
03-19-2009, 06:28 PM
Um, Reeves is running stock GLH-T front discs with 13" Drag-N-Flys. See previous posts.

Ummmmmm, We are NOT talking about GLHT brakes, but P body discs.

We know what Reeve's is running, we were just told.

fleckster
03-19-2009, 11:06 PM
Ummmmmm, We are NOT talking about GLHT brakes, but P body discs.

We know what Reeve's is running, we were just told.


I don't think 13's will clear any TD disc brakes. 14" wheels are pretty close.


Yes, some of us are very well aware of what we were told but others can't remember or read what they type. ;)

To get back on the topic as Mike pointed out...I really liked the K1 Kosei wheels that I borrowed from Reeves' mom's SRT-4. They fit on my Spirit very well too. Does anyone know why with all the demand that the SRT-4 crowd seems to have for them, they decided to quit making them in the 5x100 15x7" size?

Ondonti
03-20-2009, 12:46 AM
Ummmmmm, We are NOT talking about GLHT brakes, but P body discs.

We know what Reeve's is running, we were just told.

Well I was talking about putting omni brakes on SRT-4's and other cars. in order to run 13" rims. I know some have done it.