New Guy New (to me) GLHS #088 [Archive]

Chad T

11-03-2008, 11:33 PM

Hey Guys,

Been posting here and there but haven't really introduced myself yet. I bought GLHS #088. I talked my dad in to leasing a caburated GLH in 1985, my senior year in highschool. I always wanted a GLHS and finally seached one out.

I found this car in Wisconsin. It's a 2 owner car and the guy I got it from was with the original owner when he picked it up at the dealership. He only put 1000 - 1500 miles on it in the 10 years he had it so it needed a bit of reviving. Car has 49,000 miles now. Front seats re-covered, Rough re-paint.

First thing was the car smelled like mice so I completely gutted the interior.

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/76502-1/gutted1.JPG

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/76506-1/gutted2.JPG

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/76510-1/gutted3.JPG

Fortunately none of the critters got in to the heater box but there was a lot of poop on top of it so I completely disassembled that and cleaned and disinfected every part.

http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/21509/cimg0575.jpg

http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/21509/cimg0576.jpg

Finally got everything back together.

http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/21509/cimg0579.jpg

Also while the interior was apart I repaired the temp flap cable and rust neutralized and painted the floors. (Some slight perforation on the passenger side but otherwise pretty solid).

First longish drive I took in the car was to pick up my son at the babysitters. Ran good until about half way home when the right front caliper started sticking so I got new calipers and hoses and installed them.

The day after I put the calipers on my friend needed a ride to Cincinnatti to pick up a car so I thought I'd take the Omni. I had just gotten a fuel filter to put on so I installed that and went to pick my friend up. As soon as we hit the highway the car started stumbling under any load whatsoever. We were able to nurse it there and back. After doing some searching it looked like I might have a rusted gas tank so I went ahead and ordered one.

After removing the tank the diagnosis was confirmed. Looks like the new filter freed up enough flow to colapse the strainer in the tank.

http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/21509/cimg0594.jpg

Tank was pretty rusty.

http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/21509/cimg0597.jpg

Gas was really bad.

http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/21509/cimg0600.jpg

Car runs great now and the fuel pump is completely quiet since replacing the tank and strainer. I also replaced the driver's side C/V boot and oil in the trans. It ALL comes out when you pull that axle. :D

Got a bunch of goodies waiting to go on. 3" TU swingvalve and downpipe. 3" exhaust on the way. +20% injectors and I'll probably do some sort of boost controller/grainger deal. Car has MP Stage II LM in it now.

Been running pretty good for the past few weeks. (I'm driving it every day until the snow flies.:nod:) Just a couple odd noises and could use some motor mounts and bushings. That will probably be the next item.

Cleaned her up this weekend and took a couple exterior pics.

http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/21509/cimg0019.jpg

http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/21509/cimg0020.jpg

If you guys want to take a crack at the weird noises I'll give you some quick descriptions.

The first one starts about 1 minute after the car has been started and stops when it's warm. It's kind of a rythmic slapping. Almost sounds like a loud clock ticking.

The other noise happens when the boost is hitting at about 5000 RPMS it sounds almost like the flywheel teeth are rubbing on something.

Hope you guys enjoy the pics and appreciate any guesses on the noises.

Chad

BadAssPerformance

11-03-2008, 11:36 PM

Nice looking S! :thumb:

2.216VTurbo

11-04-2008, 12:23 AM

blk86trbo

11-04-2008, 12:31 AM

You did a great job cleaning the interior, and the body looks nice too. Congrats and thanks for sharing pics!

rosie

11-04-2008, 12:33 AM

2.216VTurbo

11-04-2008, 12:54 AM

The $80. repop tank I bought for the Rampage (but is still in the box:o) is baffled...

Marcus86GLHS

11-04-2008, 05:29 AM

Chad great story and great car, i enjoyed all the pix, thanx for sharing.

I have a feeling this car is going to stay with you for a long time.

CoolV300C

11-04-2008, 07:40 AM

Congratulations. After seeing the first pics of the gutted interior, I wasn't expecting to see such a nice looking car from the ourside pics. Nice work cleaning it out - looks like a really nice car!

Chad T

11-04-2008, 08:14 AM

Very nice car:thumb: I'll take a crack at both noises.

First one, have you had the cam belt cover off and are you sure there are no frayed edges on the belt? ALso check the inside of the plastic cover for any 'shiny spots' where the belt may be making contact. Cover misaligned, tension wrong causing flapping etc...

Second noise, is the catalytic convertor original? It sounds almost like the PFT PFT PFT PFT of the exhaust getting past the downpipe donut. It does that when the backpressure goes crazy high from exhaust restriction.

Great progress so far, the car is in good hands. You know, we like pics of any restoration/upgrade projects, keep em coming:clap:

I did check the timing belt. It's supposedly only got about 1000 miles on it but it's close to 10 years old. Looks OK but I couldn't get a good look at the tensioner. Weird thing is the noise goes away when the car is warm. It's funny the motor sounds great if the car is ice cold or hot. I also get some belt squeaking from the alt but I'm going to get bushings for that. Why the heck does the alternator need bushings? Never seen that before.

Could be an exhaust noise. It's more of a rattle but what you say makes sense. Exhaust is all original and getting tossed soon.

Thanks

Chad

Chad T

11-04-2008, 08:19 AM

Great intro and story. Didn't see a pic of the new tank. I don't know how "new" you are to these cars so if you get any know it all advice (I'm good at that) it isn't meant in a condescending tone.

So a question nobody with a new tank has answered me yet.... Are those (or at least yours) baffeled at the fuel pump? You're going to want it if you drive with less then half a tank the way your car was meant to go around turns.

Second, are you going to heim joint the trans linkage? tranny swap? Neither? I've got the fix for the last one. :eyebrows:

Thanks for the pics! Great looking car!:clap::clap::thumb:

Tank has the baffle. It's just a metal bowl in the middle. Makes it kind of hard to feed the sender/pickup assembly back in there. I ended up taking the tank back out and standing it up which makes it real easy.

I'm going to do something with the trans. Some of the bushings on the linkage have been replaced and it looks like it has been welded. Shifts good for now. I plan on trying to go easy on it until I can figure out what I want to do. I'm leaning towards a rod shifted 555 or possibly a 525/555 hybrid.

So how do these 525s like to die? :D Do they give any warning or just fail suddenly?

Thanks

Chad

Chad T

11-04-2008, 08:21 AM

Thanks for all the compliments everyone and a special thanks to Mark who has already helped me out a lot and answered a ton of newb questions so I can half way sound like I know what I'm talking about.:thumb:

omni_840

11-04-2008, 09:31 AM

Nice ride! I really want one of those :nod: +1 on keeping us informed on future progress

trbowgn

11-04-2008, 09:56 AM

Very nice car and nice work on the interior. :thumb:

cordes

11-04-2008, 11:12 AM

Very nice. Thanks for posting the pics.

rosie

11-04-2008, 09:33 PM

Tank has the baffle. It's just a metal bowl in the middle. Makes it kind of hard to feed the sender/pickup assembly back in there. I ended up taking the tank back out and standing it up which makes it real easy.

I'm going to do something with the trans. Some of the bushings on the linkage have been replaced and it looks like it has been welded. Shifts good for now. I plan on trying to go easy on it until I can figure out what I want to do. I'm leaning towards a rod shifted 555 or possibly a 525/555 hybrid.

So how do these 525s like to die? :D Do they give any warning or just fail suddenly?

Thanks

Chad

Sometimes 3rd gear falls off. (not literally, but basically) and with my 175,000 525, the bearing started to whine. Same with my 555. Same with my Friends 568. Preload the output shaft in the rebuild and alot of people put an aftermarket plate on the 5th/R gear area. Our vendors stock them. I like Turbo's unleashed and I get 3 dollars off shipping every time I say that! J/K, ;)

You'll want to swap to a 523, 555(lots of people are fans of the getrag, I am not), or 568. they shift alot smoother then the 525. Some people think that they're too weak but mine holds up just fine. Just not the linkage when I don't have the clips on. ;)

Chad T

11-08-2008, 11:26 PM

Sometimes 3rd gear falls off. (not literally, but basically) and with my 175,000 525, the bearing started to whine. Same with my 555. Same with my Friends 568. Preload the output shaft in the rebuild and alot of people put an aftermarket plate on the 5th/R gear area. Our vendors stock them. I like Turbo's unleashed and I get 3 dollars off shipping every time I say that! J/K, ;)

You'll want to swap to a 523, 555(lots of people are fans of the getrag, I am not), or 568. they shift alot smoother then the 525. Some people think that they're too weak but mine holds up just fine. Just not the linkage when I don't have the clips on. ;)

Thanks for the info Rosie. I'll probably save the trans for last. Good to know it won't necessarily fall apart the first time I hit the gas with some mods. I'll try to baby it until I can decide what I want to use in there. Don't know enough about the different transmissions yet to make a decision.

Chad T

11-09-2008, 12:08 AM

Since everybody loves pics I've decided to go ahead and just make this a project thread for the car. It's always nice to have things documented.

I'll start with the plan for the valve cover. When I got the car it came with some extra parts one of which was an NOS 1-piece gasket Turbo valve cover. I was planning on just trying to find another Mobil 1 plaque to put on it and throw that on there but I thought it looked a little dull.

After seeing prices for these aren't high at all I decided to polish the lettering on it. It turned out well but while I was using my polisher on the lettering I hit the paint and it seemed to come off. I went ahead and polished the rest of the paint and was able to even the color out and it actually matches the color of the original cover pretty closely now.

http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/21509/cimg0009.jpg

I'm going to transefer my Mobil 1 plaque if I can't find a new one. If anyone is sitting on one of these I'll give you $50 shipped for it. Mine is a little scratchy but I suppose I could clean it up if I need to.

http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/21509/cimg0038.jpg

I've just about got everything for my 3 inch exhaust install ready. I installed helicoils in my TU 3" swingvlave where the downpie attaches. Helicoils are really cool. I'd never used them before. I skipped the kit with the tap and just used my 10mmX1.25 tap. Kit with the tap and 3 inserts was $29. Box of 10 inserts was $4.99:)

http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/21509/cimg0034.jpg

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I plan on just removing the head to install the swingvalve. then I can install all of this. :D

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Trying to decide what to do for a muffler and cat if anything and find a good muffler shop in Columbus Ohio. I do have a friend who might be able to do this though. I'll need to have someone bend a pipe for around the shifter.

Also need to get a boost gauge and a/f guage. Should I have a bung welded in the downpipe for a wideband?

Here is a pic of the engine compartment as it sits now. This will basically be a before pic.

http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/21509/cimg0031.jpg

I like to have a nice looking engine bay. This is the motor on the car I had to sell to get this GLHS. This was a hard car to part with :( but it went to a good home.

http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/21509/shineycap.jpg

Well that's all for now. I'm getting excited about putting the new exhaust on there. Not sure how soon I'll do it though. Trying to enjoy driving the car while it's running good before winter.

Need to get a boost controller too. Anybody use those ebay ones? grainger seems like a lot more money unless it's a lot better.

rosie

11-09-2008, 01:19 AM

Marcus86GLHS

11-09-2008, 06:41 AM

"...... I've decided to go ahead and just make this a project thread for the car..........."

Chad that's a great idea. The new parts look great, i like how the TU tailpipe is a 2-piece unit with a turn-down. Your "before" pix shows a very nice original engine bay not much has changed there in all this time and thats good. Will you be retaining the a/c system?

Yes i'd get the bung welded in when the pipe guy is under there installing the exhaust, a good spot is either at the end of the downpipe or in the pipe that will snake around the shifter, but it's gotta be before the cat and more than 18" from the turbo. Make sure that bung is angled slightly upwards so the sensor tip points slightly downward to drain condensation. Best to have the bung and sensor together and do a test fit prior to the welding.

Your Audi's engine was a work of art.

Mike_Shepard

11-09-2008, 08:59 AM

Chad your in my neck of the woods, Give me a call we can exchange thoughts and Ideas. I've got a ton done to my daytona

Chad T

11-09-2008, 10:30 AM

Audi?
I think the ebay ones are knock off graingers. Same things unless it's a "bleed" type. Those will frustrate the heck out of you with all the spiking. Do some "homework" with the computer controlled boost set ups. The stock solonoid works better then a grainger, but you got to get a cal good enough to not frustrate you into posting a thread here about it. (that's a "homework" hint) :D

Yes Audi. Good eye Rosie and thanks for the homework hint!

Here is the Boost controller (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Turbo-Boost-Controller-Black-Universal-Legend-TSX-NSX_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a1234Q7c66Q3a2 Q7c65Q3a12Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318QQ_trksidZp3286Q2e c0Q2em14QQhashZitem390006582084QQitemZ390006582084 QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories) I'm looking at. Looks like it works like a grainger.

"...... I've decided to go ahead and just make this a project thread for the car..........."

Chad that's a great idea. The new parts look great, i like how the TU tailpipe is a 2-piece unit with a turn-down. Your "before" pix shows a very nice original engine bay not much has changed there in all this time and thats good. Will you be retaining the a/c system?

Yes i'd get the bung welded in when the pipe guy is under there installing the exhaust, a good spot is either at the end of the downpipe or in the pipe that will snake around the shifter, but it's gotta be before the cat and more than 18" from the turbo. Make sure that bung is angled slightly upwards so the sensor tip points slightly downward to drain condensation. Best to have the bung and sensor together and do a test fit prior to the welding.

Your Audi's engine was a work of art.

Mark thanks as always for the words of wisdom.:D I'll keep the GLHS motor much more stock looking than the Audi was. (all that shiney stuff was rough cast or painted). Haven't decided on the A/C but I'd kind of like to have it since I'm driving the car a bit. Sure is nice not having the compressor in there though.

I really need to figure out what's wrong with my heater valve. It moves when I turn the A/C on but the heater core still gets hot. Do I just need to change that valve? Or could it be out of adjustment somehow?

Chad T

11-09-2008, 10:39 AM

Chad your in my neck of the woods, Give me a call we can exchange thoughts and Ideas. I've got a ton done to my daytona

Mike sent you a PM. Stop by today if you get a chance. We're going to be working on that Audi. Will be one or more Audis parked outside. Dodge might be inside. :D

Johnny

11-09-2008, 11:55 AM

We like to see great work like yours, because we (I) never have time to do it that nice!

NICE!

Johnny

GLHS592

11-09-2008, 03:05 PM

Welcome! Great job. Nice car!

rosie

11-09-2008, 10:15 PM

Never seen that one but should work. For 10 bucks can't go wrong !

The only AWD cars at the drags this weekend were audi's. They were scary fast too. stinkin all wheel drive

black86glhs

11-09-2008, 10:22 PM

Yes Audi. Good eye Rosie and thanks for the homework hint!

Here is the Boost controller (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Turbo-Boost-Controller-Black-Universal-Legend-TSX-NSX_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a1234Q7c66Q3a2 Q7c65Q3a12Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318QQ_trksidZp3286Q2e c0Q2em14QQhashZitem390006582084QQitemZ390006582084 QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories) I'm looking at. Looks like it works like a grainger.

Mark thanks as always for the words of wisdom.:D I'll keep the GLHS motor much more stock looking than the Audi was. (all that shiney stuff was rough cast or painted). Haven't decided on the A/C but I'd kind of like to have it since I'm driving the car a bit. Sure is nice not having the compressor in there though.

I really need to figure out what's wrong with my heater valve. It moves when I turn the A/C on but the heater core still gets hot. Do I just need to change that valve? Or could it be out of adjustment somehow?
I would try to back flush the heater core. While you have the valve out, check it for proper operation.

rosie

11-09-2008, 10:50 PM

I would try to back flush the heater core. While you have the valve out, check it for proper operation.

Agreed. Didn't see that you had heater probs. I just used a garden hose without the fitting, hose clamp'd it on and turned it on. Then it puked all over my engine bay... Sooooo, I'm going to suggest clamping on a second hose for the puke. I'd use a different word to describe what came out if I could.

black86glhs

11-09-2008, 11:05 PM

tsiconquest88

11-09-2008, 11:59 PM

Very nice man, funny u mentioned the bushing and asked why they are needed, i had the same issue and basically, they get worn out and causes the alt to tilt out of line enough to get a squeal. You can get bushings from www.polybushings.com very cheap and polyurethane. I had to mod them for mine a little for proper fit but overall very good work done on them by the owner as he makes them himself. They are in the engine mount section of the site.

Chad T

11-11-2008, 08:19 PM

Agreed. Didn't see that you had heater probs. I just used a garden hose without the fitting, hose clamp'd it on and turned it on. Then it puked all over my engine bay... Sooooo, I'm going to suggest clamping on a second hose for the puke. I'd use a different word to describe what came out if I could.

Well I had the core out and drained all of the coolant when I gutted the interior. Didn't flush it but I dumped all the coolant. Didn't look dirty at all. Getting plenty of heat just can't seem to stop the flow of coolant to the core. It looks like it closes when I switch the A/C on but the core stays hot. I can control the temp with the flap but it will probably still be warm in the summer with a hot heater core. It almost acts like there's nothing inside the valve anymore. I'll have to check it out when I pull the head to do the swingvalve.

In other news....:D I got my old Momo steering wheel back that was on my Audi and installed it on the Omni. I figure I can keep the original hula hoop clean and have a nice sporty wheel for driving. I can put the old one back on in about a half hour.

I went to Jegs and had to get a Grant adaptor, 2 inch spacer, a Grant to Momo adaptor and went back today and got another 1 inch spacer to get the wheel away from the dash. Sits about where the stock one did now.

http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/21509/cimg0055.jpg

tsiconquest88

11-11-2008, 08:42 PM

Chad T

11-11-2008, 09:12 PM

Actually i take back my alternator bushing statement, i just realized i read your post wrong and u were talking about motor mounts and idk where i got the bushings from lol. I mean i seen you say bushings and about noise and i aguess i somehow got confused lol.

No you had it right. I need a lot of bushings+mounts though. ;)

I also get some belt squeaking from the alt but I'm going to get bushings for that. Why the heck does the alternator need bushings? Never seen that before.

cordes

11-12-2008, 11:39 PM

Thanks for the pics and the update. I love seeing clean L bodies as it gives me hope that mine too might have a part that shines some day. :nod:

tsiconquest88

11-12-2008, 11:59 PM

Ok im dumb lol, i originally wrote what i said cus of that second statement u quoted there, but yesterday i was going through the thread just browsing and i got to what i said and i was like wtf did i write that for there isnt anything about the alt or nuthin and i couldnt find nuthin but now i see u quoted that and i remember it exactly now, idk how i missed that quote reading through yesterday and that led me to ending up turning back what i said lol.

Chad T

12-05-2008, 10:55 PM

Installed a boost gauge last week so figured I'd post an update.

I looked for a long time before deciding on an Isspro gauge. It's pretty plain but it's the closest match I could get to the stock gauges. I also got a Lotek pod and an AEM wideband. (Thanks to Mark again for steering me in the right direction.);)

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/79401-1/gauge1.JPG

I pulled an unused vac line out of the vac line bundle and routed it back towards the driver's side. I ran the pressure line from the the gauge through the grommet for the hood release and up to the vac line I re-routed earlier. You can see where it connects in the right side of this pic but I'll probably hide it later. I tapped in to the wires for the defrost switch light for the light on the gauge.

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/79413-1/gauge4.JPG

I did end up drilling one hole in the stock a-pillar trim to secure the top of the pod.

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/79476-1/gauge6.JPG

Gauge fits in well with the stock instruments.

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/79409-1/gauge3.JPG

The gauge has white lighting but I got lucky and found a green bulb cover from an old gauge I had.

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/79405-1/gauge2.JPG

It's still a little bright but I want to get a blue cover to put over the green one to try to get it closer to the stock gauge illumination.

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/79472-1/gauge5.JPG

cordes

12-05-2008, 10:58 PM

That looks great. Thanks for taking the time to post up the pics.

Marcus86GLHS

12-06-2008, 06:17 AM

great work there Chad, the new gauges look right at home.

magnummrk

12-06-2008, 05:24 PM

Chad T

12-07-2008, 02:37 AM

I can't believe someone sold that car to you! Oh wait...it was me!

Looks good! Like I said when you were looking to buy it...I was not looking to make a ton of $$ selling it...more important that it went to a good home, and it did. I would have NEVER done any of the stuff you have done to it.

Mark good to see you posting to this thread!

Like Chad mentioned...I was the 2nd owner of the car and basically grew up with the son of the 1st owner. We used to take the car out and race around with it. Was a lot of fun, but it was time for the car to go a good home.

That's such a great story. I finally got to drive it around my old stomping ground last weekend. It was neat driving the same roads I'd driven in my 1985 GLHS and '88 + '89 C/S Daytonas when they were new.

I will try and scan some of the older pictures I have of the car from when it was new.

Again...my hat is off to you for doing what you have done to the car!

-Mark

Would love to see those pics! I'm glad you like the work done on the car so far and I'm glad to have it. I will keep it mostly original but with some performance enhancements. Just too much easy HP there for the taking. :D

Here are a couple pics of other little things I did that you can probably appreciate.

I got a new trip odo re-set button and new gauge needles from a 1990 cluster I got on ebay.

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/78517-1/CIMG0060.JPG

I also repaired the plastic cable on the glove box so the lid doesn't flop down.

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/78521-1/CIMG0062.JPG

Should be getting to the engine bay soon. I'm going to see about getting the silver valve cover powder coated on Monday. I was going to just keep the factory paint but I ended up buying an NOS Mobil one plaque so I want the rest of it to be perfect. Plaque was some $$$

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/79548-1/m1plq.JPG

Looks like there are some scratches in it but they're just in the clear protective sheet which is still on it.

Also still has the adhesive backing. I'll probably add some extra adhesive for good measure though. ;)

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/79554-1/m1plq2.JPG

magnummrk

12-07-2008, 02:12 PM

If I ever figure out how to post pictures...I will post some old pictures of the car I have.

Mike_Shepard

12-07-2008, 08:16 PM

Looks good chad. If I ever get a minute I'll call you.

Chad T

12-13-2008, 02:46 AM

Looks good chad. If I ever get a minute I'll call you.

Look forward to it Mike. :thumb:

Quick update.

Got the Valve cover powdercoated in silver and clear. Turned out pretty well but I wish the silver was a bit darker to be closer to stock. Looks real nice in person but hard to get a good picture of. Any tricks to installing the later style 1 piece gasket cover on a GLHS?

On to the pics.

Before and after.

http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/21509/cimg0038.jpg

http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/21509/cimg0166.jpg

http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/21509/cimg0173.jpg

Anybody wondering where I got that oil cap? :eyebrows:

$9.99 at Jegs. http://www.jegs.com/i/Proform/778/141-631/10002/-1

Came without the GM medallion installed.

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/79929-1/oilcap2.JPG

It's almost identical to the stock Mopar cap.

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/79933-1/oilcap3.JPG

Almost time to start the swingvalve/exhaust install.:nod:

cordes

12-13-2008, 11:57 AM

Thanks for the update and pics. Very cool.

BOOSTIFIED

12-17-2008, 01:37 AM

i gotta ask where did you find the NOS.. plaque.. :hail:

Chad T

12-18-2008, 08:28 PM

i gotta ask where did you find the NOS.. plaque.. :hail:

Got it on ebay. It was listed with a $100 buy-it-now price and I decided to grab it.

The same seller had a CSX Mobil 1 plaque listed at the same time and it ended up selling for $156.

Valve cover is way over budget. :D I figure I can sell the Shleby valve cover I also got with the car to recover the plaque cost though.

sy2206

12-25-2008, 10:52 AM

Your car looks GREAT!!! It's cool to see another 86 S in the area. You'll have to bring it to some Buckeye SDAC meets next summer....

Chad T

12-25-2008, 11:40 PM

Your car looks GREAT!!! It's cool to see another 86 S in the area. You'll have to bring it to some Buckeye SDAC meets next summer....

Thanks Mark! Ended up finding a pretty nice one after missing that GLHS that was for sale in Cleveland.

Look forward to attending some events this year for sure. I'd love to see that 16k mile S of yours in person. :thumb:

Also look forward to meeting some more TD'ers. Is there a mailing list for the Buckeye SDAC or should I check the site for info on events? I know the big one is in Cinci this year which I definitely plan on attending.

Merry Christmas everybody!

Chad

sy2206

12-30-2008, 10:28 AM

Thanks Mark! Ended up finding a pretty nice one after missing that GLHS that was for sale in Cleveland.

Look forward to attending some events this year for sure. I'd love to see that 16k mile S of yours in person. :thumb:

Also look forward to meeting some more TD'ers. Is there a mailing list for the Buckeye SDAC or should I check the site for info on events? I know the big one is in Cinci this year which I definitely plan on attending.

Merry Christmas everybody!

Chad

You can watch buckeyesdac.com but there aren't too many posts on there. Your best bet is to contact "jaysshelby" on here, Jay is the Pres of the Buckeye chapter. Give him your e-mail and he will keep you up to date on our events and such.:thumb:

Chad T

01-04-2009, 02:15 PM

Hey Guys,

Been chipping away at the swingvalve/exhaust install. This car is kind of a bear to work on!

New heater I got for x-mas helps.

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/81647-1/heat.JPG

Patient is ready.

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/81651-1/light.JPG

Started with the downpipe bolts. Those little tabs that are supposed to hold the nuts broke off instantly. Finally got vise grips on one of them and was able to beat it out with the impact. Those bolts were really crusty. Had to cut the other one with the Dremel.

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/81750-1/dpbolt.JPG

Exhaust is in pretty good shape but look how small it is! New 3 inch should flow a lot better!

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/81746-1/exhaust.JPG

Was surprised at how clean everything was under the valve cover. Looks like someone paid attention to the Mobil 1 plaque.

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/81643-1/cleancam.JPG

Had to test fit the valve cover. It's pretty sweet.:D Last picture of the valve cover until it's installed I promise. ;)

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/81655-1/vctest.JPG

Rest of the engine bay is not so sweet.:o

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/81659-1/dirt.JPG

Getting the head off was a little tough but not as bad as I thought. I pulled the head, intake, exhaust manifold and turbo as one assembly.

Only had to remove 2 hoses for the turbo in the back and one oil line in the front the other one was attached to the cyl head. Had a buddy help me lift it. Kind of awkward but not super heavy.

Big ole chunk o' Dodge.

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/81819-1/headoff.JPG

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/81823-1/headoff2.JPG

Is this car supposed to have a 3 wire o2 sensor? Looks factory.

Forgot to unhook the ground strap. Didn't even notice it when we lifted the head. Looks like I'll be getting a new one of those.

Lots of room under the hood now. Good time to do heater hoses, linkage, clean, etc. shrink wrapped the old gasket and stuck it on there to keep debris out while the head's off.

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/81827-1/headoff3.JPG

New swingvalve should flow a bit better. :thumb:

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/81831-1/swingvalves.JPG

Would have the swingvalve on already but of course one of the bolts has to be a big pain. :mad:

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/81811-1/brkbolt.JPG

It doesn't look nearly as good now. I've almost got it whittled down flush. It's pretty much welded in there. Any ideas on this? Just take it to a machine shop? Was trying to get away with not dis-assembling any further but there's no way to drill straight with the turbo attached.

Stopped at Jegs Friday to get some more parts to add to the pile. Found an adjustible fuel pressure regulater for a Buick Grand National that is almost a perfect match for the stock one.

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/81740-1/fpr.JPG

Just had to add a couple pieces to attach the return line.

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/81815-1/fpr2.JPG

Also ordered a Mopar Performance 185 degree t-stat. Says it ships in 3-4 weeks. Hopefully they actually get it. They had a Mopar Performance coil in stock so I grabbed one of those.

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/81736-1/coil.JPG

Well that's all for now. Let me know if anyone has a bright idea on getting that bolt out without having to pull the turbo and take it to a machine shop.

sy2206

01-04-2009, 02:55 PM

Would have the swingvalve on already but of course one of the bolts has to be a big pain. It doesn't look nearly as good now. I've almost got it whittled down flush. It's pretty much welded in there. Any ideas on this? Just take it to a machine shop? Was trying to get away with not dis-assembling any further but there's no way to drill straight with the turbo attached.

Stopped at Jegs Friday to get some more parts to add to the pile. Found an adjustible fuel pressure regulater for a Buick Grand National that is almost a perfect match for the stock one. Just had to add a couple pieces to attach the return line. Well that's all for now. Let me know if anyone has a bright idea on getting that bolt out without having to pull the turbo and take it to a machine shop.

Looking good Chad! Here's a couple things thatmay help you.

As far as the bolt on the turbo, weld a nut onto the end of it. The weld will be between the top of the bolt and the inside area of the nut. Then just grab the nut with a wrench and spin it out. I know it sounds crazy, I said the same thing when someone told me this. But I have seen this done MANY times and it works AWESOME!!!!! It's a win-win situation, by welding the nut it gives you a nice spot for a wrench, and the heat of the weld helps to losen up the stuborn bolt. I've even seen it done on a bolt that was broke off BELOW the surface of aluminum. Just get a good weld between the broken bolt, and your new nut, and try to turn it out. If you dont have a welder, grab a handfull of nuts(waiting for someoneto make a dirty comment), and the appropriate wrench, and head to your local welding shop. Throw a few bucks cash in the guys face and you can probably help him do it right there. Have them weld it on, and grab your wrench and try to spin it out. If it's stuborn, it'll just twist off the nut. Then you just try it again. On one bolt I was doing this on, it wasn't until about the 6th one that tried it came out. Weld it on, and spin it out. It really does work very well. Give that a shot. That'll be WAY WAY easier then trying to drill it and re-tap it bigger.

As far as the fuel line fitting, you can get a fuel line piece from a 89-90 Daytona or Shadow. Those year cars had the same fuel rail setup as ours, but they use a fitting in the end of the FPR, just like a Grand National. So you can buy that part from a Daytona/Shadow, and it'll screw right in there, and it'll look much more factory then the brass fittings. That fuel line piece is about 6 inches long. I'm sure someone has a pict. I do believe it's discontinued from Dodge, but any boneyard should have it.

Hope that helps!!

Chad T

01-04-2009, 03:39 PM

Thanks Mark. I've got a few friends that can weld so I'll give that a shot. I've seen that pipe somewhere. Wondered what that was from.

sy2206

01-09-2009, 02:19 PM

Thanks Mark. I've got a few friends that can weld so I'll give that a shot. I've seen that pipe somewhere. Wondered what that was from.

Well, any results yet?

Chad T

01-09-2009, 07:55 PM

Well, any results yet?

Oh you had to ask didn't you? We tried it last night actually. I wish I wouldn't have chewed the stud up so bad and drilled part way through it before trying this.

The first attempt twisted off what was left of the stud sticking out of the housing. We tried another one which broke some more off the stud. I told my buddy who was doing the welding to try and fill the hole in the stud and he did but got some on the housing. Tried another nut but it twisted off as well. I took a disc sander to it to grind down the slag and could see that one side of the stud is now welded to the housing.

So now I guess My options are take it to a machine shop, find another housing or find a new turbo. This turbo is super tight though and it would be kind of a waste to replace it and try to sell it with a fubared exhaust housing.

I'll have to see where I'm at when I get it all apart. I might go out and see if I can't break off some exhaust studs after supper. :D Kind of sucks but now I can clean the intake real well, change the gasket and perhaps get some porting done.

I think your method would have worked but I had the stud too mis-shapen. It was actually hollow from drilling and the weld wouldn't grab evenly. Looks like I might get a chance to try it again since the whole shebang has to come apart. ;)

sy2206

01-09-2009, 09:00 PM

Marcus86GLHS

01-10-2009, 06:21 AM

...and it will all be worth it once those new parts are installed and your S is putting down 240 hp to the tires. great pix and project you have going.

Chad T

01-11-2009, 02:32 AM

Bummer!

Yeah, you could try taking it to a machine shop. They can clamp it in a bridgeport, and drill it using that. That's way more accurate then trying to drill it out by hand or even in a drill press. Use an slightly smaller bit and you should be able to save the original threads. Basiclly just drill the center of the stud out, and run a tap in there to clean out all the little pieces.

Machine shop it is, which is what I had planned on when I first broke it off. There is a Carquest about a mile from my house with a huge machine shop in back. Hopefully they won't charge too much. I already brake about 3 bits trying to drill through the bolt.

...and it will all be worth it once those new parts are installed and your S is putting down 240 hp to the tires. great pix and project you have going.

These things are expected with a 22 yr old car. Can't wait to get it fired up with the new parts on there. I really gaining a lot of experience at removing rusted bolts.

Went out in the garage today to try to get the manifolds pulled and decided to try the turbo bolts. Those came out without much drama so I went ahead and removed the turbine housing so it can be taken to the machine shop by itself.

Had to cut 2 of those bolts and then I couldn't budge the housing as it was seized to the center section. Came in and did some forum searching and found the recommended method was heat and a big hammer. I only had a propane torch so I went to Autozone and grabbed a bottle of mapp gas for it which gets much hotter.

Carefully clamped the turbo in the vise so it was holding the compressor an heated up the turbine with the mapp gas. Couple taps and it came right off. :clap: I decided to try heating the bolts I had to cut and they came right out as well. Barely had to pinch them with the vise grips. Wish I would have had this for the swingvalve. I think it might have loosened that bolt as well.

Oh well. Live and learn. :nod:

Pics from today. Was a good feeling to get this sucker loose. Now no matter what I can fix the turbo. Machine shop should be able to fix this housing pretty easy.

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/82083-1/turdbine.JPG

Had the garage nice and warm at this point so I decided to stay out in the garage, listen to "Hair Nation" on the radio. I love being out in the garage. :D

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/82099-1/garage.JPG

Made a cover for the head with some cardboard. My old Honda lugnuts fit the headbolts perfect just like they did on my Audi head. They make nice little feet for setting the head on the bench.

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/82079-1/cardbolts.JPG

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/82075-1/benchhead.JPG

Decided to go ahead and pull the fuel rail, injectors and harness and polish the fins on top of the intake.

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/82091-1/intake1.JPG

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/82095-1/intake2.JPG

Not a lot of progress but it was good to get the turbine housing removed.

Got my new heater bypass valve from Rock Auto today. Wholesaler closeout for $7.98.:D They also sent me a fridge magnate with a Dodge truck on it. The valve appears to be all composite with a stainless butterfly in it. Should last a while. I'll have to pick up some hose and clamps when I'm dropping the turbine housing off to get machined.

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/82087-1/heatervlv.JPG

2.216VTurbo

01-12-2009, 02:11 PM

Looks like it's coming along well Chad. Do yourself a favor though, retime the motor when you put it back together, the old keep tension on the belt while it's off is very unrealiable.:confused:

Chad T

01-13-2009, 12:17 AM

Looks like it's coming along well Chad. Do yourself a favor though, retime the motor when you put it back together, the old keep tension on the belt while it's off is very unrealiable.:confused:

Thanks Alan. I'll make sure to re-check everything on reassembly. I never heard of that method before but it was actually how the factory service manual said to do it. :confused2: I did set it at TDC on #1 Cyl before disassembly though.

glhturbo1985

01-13-2009, 08:30 AM

sy2206

01-13-2009, 09:10 PM

Chad, keep up the good work. That car has come a long way. Almost all of these cars need a little TLC and you're definately the match for # 88. If you run across any challenges putting the 3" exhaust up, please let me know. My dad and I are gonna attempt to do that to a car here and he doesn't think it'll work too well. I tried telling him that it's one of those things that if you want it to work bad enough, we can get it to fit. Only problem I can see being a challenge is going above the trailing axle. He thinks the shifter area is gonna suck since we have a 525. Either way, please let me know

The shifter area isn't an issue. My dads TII GLHT has 3" right off the turbo, and it fit around the 525 shifter just fine. Of course, right after we got the exhaust on it, we went toa 568 anyway. Doh! Anyway, it will be tight over the axle, but do-able. We decided to dump it out infront of the rear tire on my dads car, but it sees literally ZERO street time.

Chad T

01-13-2009, 11:16 PM

Chad, keep up the good work. That car has come a long way. Almost all of these cars need a little TLC and you're definately the match for # 88.

Thank you Dan. If it turns out 1/4 as nice as your Omni I'll be happy. :thumb: Don't really plan on going that far with it but you never know.

If you run across any challenges putting the 3" exhaust up, please let me know. My dad and I are gonna attempt to do that to a car here and he doesn't think it'll work too well. I tried telling him that it's one of those things that if you want it to work bad enough, we can get it to fit. Only problem I can see being a challenge is going above the trailing axle. He thinks the shifter area is gonna suck since we have a 525. Either way, please let me know

I'll let you know how it goes. I'm going to have a friend of mine who is great at fabrication help me out and weld everything up so I should be able to document that fairly well.

You can swing the downpipe quite a bit but we may need a little bit of a bend do go around the shifter. Mark you remember if your dad had to do anything for that or did he just shove the whole thing over?

Looks to me like the hardest part is going to be going around the tank and fitting a muffler in the stock location. I think there is room but it will have to hang just right. I've also been thinking about doing something like this for a muffler to help with axle clearance.

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/teamshelby/CarrollsGLHS1.jpg?t=1231901636

Don't laugh that's Carrol Shleby's personal Omni GLHS 001. :nod: I think I'd probably use a Dynomax oval that's offset but has a straight through core.

glhturbo1985

01-14-2009, 03:10 PM

that's a different method of approach there. I can't say I've ever seen it before today.

2.216VTurbo

01-14-2009, 11:16 PM

I wonder what that tire is rubbing on? Shock body?

sy2206

01-15-2009, 10:07 AM

I wonder what that tire is rubbing on? Shock body?

Probably the coil spring.

sy2206

01-15-2009, 10:12 AM

You can swing the downpipe quite a bit but we may need a little bit of a bend do go around the shifter. Mark you remember if your dad had to do anything for that or did he just shove the whole thing over?

I know on my dads GLH, the exhaust isn't straight right there. It does have a little big of a V shaped bend went around the shifter. I've seen some cars run a straight pipe through there, and though that may fit, it will be very very tight. Probably too close I could think, and would probably rattle. I had a friend of mine do the exhaust on that car, and he worked at an exhaust shop, so we had it up on the hoist and were able to kind of do whatever we wanted. We used some 3" mandrell bends that he had there, along with the kit that I already had, and we just fabbed it up. I wish I had some picts, it turned out really nice.

glhturbo1985

01-15-2009, 10:16 AM

sy2206

01-15-2009, 10:43 AM

the hard part about doing that stuff on your own is finding someone with the right tools. My dad and I are fully capable of mounting the exhaust while the car is on a lift, but we don't know anyone who personally owns the toold to bend the pipe if need be.(which I think we'll have to do)

I'm glad to hear that you've been through it already Mark. I'll remind my dad to call you AGAIN____

Yeah, I got to be friends with the guy that works at this exhaust shop. So I could swing down there and we could weld up whatever. Ya know how most shops wouldn't touch anything that doesn't have a Cat converter in it, not a issue when you know the guys at the the shop. :) I knowTodd Nelson brought Allen's old Masi GLHS up there to have a couple things fabbed on it also, and he said the same thing, "Those are cool. And VERY knowledgeable when it comes to fabbing some stuff up."

LOL, yeah, it's kinda funny how I met this guy. I had a header for my old neon, and I needed an extra 02 bung welded in. I stop by this local exhaust shop and one of the guys said, "This really should be tig welded. I'll bring it home tonight and weld it up at my house, I have a tig there. You can stop by and pick it up anytime after 6," and gives me his address. So I go out there.... Turns out this guy runs a full blown race fabrication shop out of his house! He's got a old Vega, super gas car that he bracket races every weekend. And the car is MINT, and has some crazy paint job on it, it's badass. And it runs 9.60's. In his shop he was in the process of tubbing out a SWEET 69 Chevelle, and was also just finishing up a full tube frame and 4-link S-10 for a friend of his. I used to run into him all the time at the local dragstrip when I had my Syclone.

Chad T

01-15-2009, 09:10 PM

I wonder what that tire is rubbing on? Shock body?

Wow good eye! I'm guessing inner fender? 225s on Lemans wheels must be a bit too much.

I know on my dads GLH, the exhaust isn't straight right there. It does have a little big of a V shaped bend went around the shifter. I've seen some cars run a straight pipe through there, and though that may fit, it will be very very tight. Probably too close I could think, and would probably rattle. I had a friend of mine do the exhaust on that car, and he worked at an exhaust shop, so we had it up on the hoist and were able to kind of do whatever we wanted. We used some 3" mandrell bends that he had there, along with the kit that I already had, and we just fabbed it up. I wish I had some picts, it turned out really nice.

That makes sense. Just angle over and make one bend. There's actually quite a bit of room in that area.

the hard part about doing that stuff on your own is finding someone with the right tools. My dad and I are fully capable of mounting the exhaust while the car is on a lift, but we don't know anyone who personally owns the toold to bend the pipe if need be.(which I think we'll have to do)

I'm glad to hear that you've been through it already Mark. I'll remind my dad to call you AGAIN____

If you can weld you can probably just get some mandrel bent sections and do it that way. If you buy a pre-made system there shouldn't be much fabbing. We'll find out how much pretty soon. We're planning on just welding in some mandrel bent sections when we do mine.

Chad T

01-30-2009, 11:01 PM

Hey guys,

Little more progress. It's been way cold here but I did manage to get the last stud in the swingvalve drilled out at the local carquest and got the turbo re-assembled.

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/82409-1/turbo.JPG

Can anybody tell me if it looks like it's clocked right? I had marks in it but couldn't find them when I went to reassemble.

Thought I was ready to put the head back on but I had one exhaust stud missing. I hoped I'd be able to thread another stud in but there is a stud broken off in the hole. Sooo time for some more disassembly.

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/82611-1/head1.JPG

Had to cut one of the other studs which no matter how much heat I applied didn't want to budge. You can see the 2 studs are on the bottom of the head towards the bench in this pic. Looks like there might have actually been an exhaust leak by the stud that's been broken off for a while.

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/82615-1/head2.JPG

I'll probably take the head to the machine shop I had do an Audi head for me. They did a real nice job on it. Really just want the studs out and to have it cleaned but that's what I took my Audi head in for as well and it ended up costing me $750. Hopefully this one won't need much since it's got less than 50k miles on it.

Thinking this would be a good time to do some heim joints on the linkage. Pretty easy access with the head off. Car shifts great but those plastic end links are looking pretty old and brittle.

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/82430-1/linkage.JPG

glhturbo1985

01-31-2009, 12:40 AM

It's cold as heck here too. Good to see you are making some progress with the car.

If you wanted to try to do this (Heim joints) on your own, contact Rebelrob from the SWPA-SDAC. He did that to his 87 GLHS on his own. All his connections are in and the car drives, but it's a little off center with neutral sitting below where 5th used to be.... so if he doesn't adjust it soon, I imagine he'll end up tearing his shift boots continuously? I drove it and the shifts were firm, but I drove it very gingerly since I wasn't familiar with shifting in that awkward position. I imagine it'd be prety fun to rip through the gears if it were properly alligned.

Chad T

01-31-2009, 12:52 AM

I think I'm going to try the quick disconnect method.

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17264 (http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17264)

I just ordered 4 connectors that will thread on to the stock rods and just might fit on the stock ball studs. If this works I think I can remove one rod at a time and make it fit perfectly before removing the other one.

It's so easy to get to everything right now I know I'd kick myself later if I didn't do something to replace the 22 yr old plastic shift ends.

Chad T

02-22-2009, 11:57 AM

Not back together yet but getting a few things done.

Finished up the shift linkage with the quick disconnects. Still needs a little clean up and maybe painted but it works great!

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/83133-1/linkage7.JPG

Got the studs taken out of the cyl head and had the bottom re-surfaced. Cleaned it up yesterday.

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/83211-1/head4.JPG

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/83219-1/head3.JPG

Got the fuel rail together with the Holley Grand National AFPR and +20 injectors.

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/82937-1/frail.JPG

Cleaned the lower intake and installed the fuel rail.

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/82933-1/intake5.JPG

Found some 1 inch wire loom to cover the new heater hoses. This whole rig only cost about 20 bucks to do. Got the new valve at Rock Auto for $7.

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/83207-1/heaterhose2.JPG

The guy who worked on the cyl head pointed out my cam is seriously worn.

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/83145-1/cam.JPG

Looking to get an '88 TBI roller or FWD F-2 package if anybody has anything. Hopefully will have her running for the next update.

glhturbo1985

02-22-2009, 01:00 PM

Chad T

02-24-2009, 11:31 PM

The project is turning out very nice. I wish my garage could be that organized and set up. It constantly looks like 2 GLHS' exploded part by part because we have two projects in the making. One on a lift awaiting assembly and one stripped to it's shell on a rotisserie getting cleaned up.

One day they'll get driven... But that's why I have my GLH Turbo. :)

Bah haa haa! Let me zoom out a bit.

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/83370-1/benchmess.JPG

Don't know how organized you are but a lift and rotisserie is pretty "set up" if you ask me. :thumb:

Can't wait to see what you do with an S. Your GLH is truely amazing. Did you buy all new brake lines from the dealer or did you make them yourself? That's one of the things that really catches my eye on the undercarriage shots of your car.

glhturbo1985

02-25-2009, 01:13 AM

We made them and found a supplier of the coil wrap protector stuff... so we put all that on before flaring. We did the same with the brake lines on my 84 Turbo Z when I first started driving it last winter. The Z's aren't stainless though.

Thanks for the compliments. I'm generally pretty shy and my silence could rub off as arrogance... but thanks a lot.

Chad T

03-09-2009, 01:08 AM

Dan I like the new sig and avatar! Looking good. Makes me want to sign up.

The progress continues..

Got the exhaust manifold bolted back on with new exhaust studs from FWDP. Then I bolted the intake and turbo on (would have been easier to do the intake first). Got the TU turbo line kit and TU t-stat housing. Also finally found a new nickle plated breather plug at McMaster-carr

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/83431-1/tstathsg.JPG

The quick disconnects on the shift linkage were nice when it came time to do the oil return gasket and coolant feed line. Turbo lines fit great! Thanks Chris.

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/83512-1/linkage10.JPG

Got the head on with the new gasket and torqued down.

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/83516-1/headgskt.JPG

I had a fellow TM'er stop buy to get a FPR from me (Mo'parts). He told me how he puts cyl heads on by himself so I used the same technique. Basically put some cusions, towels, blankets, whatever on the radiator support then get yourself situated in the engine bay. With the Omni I was able to put one foot on the bumper and one on the trans and it was real easy to gently lower the head in place. Thanks Adam for the great tip!

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/83520-1/headgskt2.JPG

I've got a new Mopar '88 TBI roller cam, rockers and Mopar Performance PT lifters but I still need to get spacers for the lifters and a woodruff key for the cam. Should be running soon though.

Since I couldn't get the car started this weekend I decided to clean up the engine bay a bit and re-tape some of the wiring.

Don't ever buy friction tape at an auto parts store. I got 2 big rolls for $199 ea. at Lowes. Also found the 1" wire loom at Lowes.

Already went through 1 roll of tape :D

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/83530-1/tape.JPG

Fresh tape really makes things look a lot cleaner. I also painted the frame rail where battery acid ate the paint off.

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/83554-1/tape8.JPG

Pulled the power module out and cleaned it up and installed some new screws in it and replaced the ground screws with some new bright zinc ones from the hardware store. I know they're supposed to be gold cad but they look a lot better than the rusty old ones.

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/83546-1/tape5.JPG

Got the new heater hoses and control hooked up and installed the new t-stat housing and 180 t-stat with the 1/16 hole.

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/83550-1/tape7.JPG

Cleaned up the plug wires with some WD40 and finally got her filled with coolant. Had a couple lines I forgot to tighten but everything's dry now. Starting to look like a runner!

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/83542-1/tape4.JPG

Getting closer :D. Kind of glad I still need some parts as it allowed me to spend yesterday cleaning the driver's side of the engine bay which was really filthy. Was nice having 70 degree weather so I could spray the brake clean with the garage doors open. :p

WickedShelby88

03-09-2009, 01:32 AM

Looks beautiful sir! I just got internet back a couple weeks ago and hadn't seen your thread yet. I hope to do some similar resto with my lancer shelby once I get a place to do it. Looks like your patience to do it right the first time is definitely paying off. If you don't mind me asking where did you find a new 88 turbo roller cam? I need to get one myself.

Chad T

03-09-2009, 01:47 AM

Looks beautiful sir! If you don't mind me asking where did you find a new 88 turbo roller cam? I need to get one myself.

Thanks :D You can get the roller cam from any OEM Mopar parts supplier. I got mine from moparpartsamerica.com but then I found out that mopardiscountparts.com has it for $11 less and they are in my town! Arg. Don't you hate that?

Part # for the cam is 4387850. I got the roller lifters on ebay for $20 on a best offer auction. He has more listed. Starting price is $29.

glhturbo1985

03-09-2009, 07:49 AM

We made them and found a supplier of the coil wrap protector stuff...

I'm a liar. I checked back with my dad and although we have made lines for my DD when I was in high school, we hadn't made the lines on either my GLHT or his GLHS. We bought stainless lines premade and still had found a supplier of the coil wrap.

My bad!

That project is turning out quite nice. I'm thinking we'll get the S on the rotisserie done for SDAC. Other things are springing up around the house now... but push will come to shove come May-June timeframe. You know how it goes. I hope to see this one there buddy!

CUDA_TUGGER

03-09-2009, 02:36 PM

mo' parts

03-09-2009, 03:45 PM

Steve, you forgot to take you medicine again didnt you? :evil:

Chad, since i didnt hear from you i figured you got it on there, cool:D LMK if you need any help tuning it in when you get it running. Our next Buckeye Chapt. meet is on April 4th, hopefully you can drive that "S" up there. I dug that map sensor out for you, lmk when you want it.

This car looks alot better in person, "it's an amazing machine":)

Chad T

03-09-2009, 07:48 PM

[quote] (Mo'parts). He told me how he puts cyl heads on by himself so I used the same technique [/quote/]

Don't pay any attention to that knucklehead. :D I am sure you could have figured that out on your own. j/k I was going to come with him that night but I couldn't get anyway soon enough that night. I also forgot to invite you along to the SDAC Bucke chapter meeting in February. I will notify again before the next. PM sent too.

That's Ok Steve Mark C invited me and he's not even close to Cols ;).

I might want to have a small GTG over here when I get the car running and it's nice out. Cook up some brats have some beers and BS etc.

I'm a liar. I checked back with my dad and although we have made lines for my DD when I was in high school, we hadn't made the lines on either my GLHT or his GLHS. We bought stainless lines premade and still had found a supplier of the coil wrap.

My bad!

That project is turning out quite nice. I'm thinking we'll get the S on the rotisserie done for SDAC. Other things are springing up around the house now... but push will come to shove come May-June timeframe. You know how it goes. I hope to see this one there buddy!

Thanks Dan. However you did those lines they are nice! Would like to do that someday.

Car should be at SDAC. I'm under 2 hrs away so why not? :nod: You gonna bring that GLH out? Would love to see that car in person. Would be nice to see some pics of that rotisserie project as well. :thumb:

Steve, you forgot to take you medicine again didnt you? :evil:

Chad, since i didnt hear from you i figured you got it on there, cool:D LMK if you need any help tuning it in when you get it running. Our next Buckeye Chapt. meet is on April 4th, hopefully you can drive that "S" up there. I dug that map sensor out for you, lmk when you want it.

This car looks alot better in person, "it's an amazing machine":)

Apr 4th should be in the vicinity of getting the car running. Hope to have it fired up next weekend and then I can set up a time to get the exhaust welded.

So you guys up for a Cols GTG? Maybe early May we can meet up over here. Would be nice to get you Mike and Steve over here. Was great meeting you the other night. Learned a lot just chatting for a few minutes. :thumb:

Cool deal on the map. Won't need it until the car is up and running but whenever we meet up again I'll grab it. I'll def get that from you though.

black86glhs

03-09-2009, 10:10 PM

glhturbo1985

03-10-2009, 07:20 AM

Thanks Dan. However you did those lines they are nice! Would like to do that someday.

It makes for a much cleaner looking underside, especially when you use new fuel rails along the other U rail.

[quote=CUDA_TUGGER;456842]
You gonna bring that GLH out? Would love to see that car in person.

I sure am planning on bringing it out. Unless, I were to do something stupid with my Daytona like repaint it, put the louvers on it, and refiinish the wheels. I've got mu hands pretty tied into the S projects now. No time for fixing up DD's unless they don't start!

[quote=CUDA_TUGGER;456842]
Would be nice to see some pics of that rotisserie project as well. :thumb:
I've been putting them up on my thread, the SWPA-SDAC Car Talk thread (I think)

Chad T

03-10-2009, 10:06 PM

Hey Chad, looking good there! Mine is still in pieces.:(
As for putting the cylinder head on, I got lucky. Tripped as I was walking over to it and it landed on the block perfect! Even the head bolts started themselves! J/K
Can't wait to see that thing run.:thumb:

Now that sounds like a good technique Bryan! Should be running for the next meeting but it might only have a downpipe. :D

Get to work on that Omni! :nod:

It makes for a much cleaner looking underside, especially when you use new fuel rails along the other U rail.

I sure am planning on bringing it out. Unless, I were to do something stupid with my Daytona like repaint it, put the louvers on it, and refiinish the wheels. I've got mu hands pretty tied into the S projects now. No time for fixing up DD's unless they don't start!

Definitely makes the underside look minty! I've got to settle for 3M Rubberized undercoat for now. Haven't found your S pics but I think I saw your Daytona. That looks pretty clean too. :thumb:

Had to throw the valve cover on yesterday for a preview. I also figured out the cam key is a 4mm X 13mm woodruff. I had to buy a bag of 25 if anybody needs one.

No pics on this page yet? :( Here's one with the valve cover.

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/83594-1/snkpeek.JPG

Looks like I'm going to have to move this v-band deal on the downpipe or just get rid of it. It was on the downpipe when I bought it.

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/83590-1/dwnpipe.JPG

Just need some spacers for the lifters now. Then hook up the boost hoses, vac lines, battery tray, airbox and should be ready to fire up.:D

mo' parts

03-10-2009, 10:31 PM

LMK if you need some help. i got the shadow running decent finally and need an excuse to put some more miles on it:eyebrows:
Looking good.
What kind of exaust do you have? as in stainless/mild ect. i have a welder and decent skills, but no gas for the stainless. i have the kit for it though.
OH, and i prob had a cam key... LOL
still have my number? and the BB-Q you mentioned sounds like a plan. I should be hooking up Mike's intercooler this weekend, so we should be tuning his car soon:D

Chad T

03-10-2009, 11:15 PM

LMK if you need some help. i got the shadow running decent finally and need an excuse to put some more miles on it:eyebrows:
Looking good.

I'll give you a call next time I'm out there. Not sure what's going on this weekend yet. Supposed to be cold again but might have to fire it up!

What kind of exaust do you have? as in stainless/mild ect. i have a welder and decent skills, but no gas for the stainless. i have the kit for it though.
OH, and i prob had a cam key... LOL

It's just aluminized steel. I've got a guy who's supposed to do it but if he gets too busy I might take you up on that. I've got a whole baggie of cam keys now. :D

still have my number? and the BB-Q you mentioned sounds like a plan. I should be hooking up Mike's intercooler this weekend, so we should be tuning his car soon:D

I think I've got your number ends with 51? I'll give you a call when I find out what goes on this weekend. I've got a 380hp Audi in the drive now that I need to fix the suspension on. Curbs are bad m'kay.

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/83603-1/curbage.JPG

The Omni kicked all the German cars out of the garage. :lol:

black86glhs

03-10-2009, 11:30 PM

The Omni kicked all the German cars out of the garage. :lol:Almost all the way to the curb!!!!!:hail:

Chad T

03-14-2009, 11:54 PM

Lots of progress this week!

Got all the airbox parts cleaned up.

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/83631-1/airbox2.JPG

and installed. Man this thing is a tight squeeze!!

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/83627-1/airbox.JPG

Got the cam rockers and lifters all ready to go.

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/83643-1/tbicam.JPG

Stopped at Jegs (It's about 3 miles from my house :D) and picked up a muffler and a new ground strap.

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/83653-1/magnaflow.JPG

I ripped the old ground strap when i pulled the head. Don't have to worry about that with this one. :p

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/83657-1/grdnstrp1.JPG

Had everything I needed to fire the car up except for a new cam plug. Got one of those this moring at NAPA and started putting on the vac lines. Broke the vac line connector where all the small lines connect to the elbow at the back of the intake.

Ended up getting a rubber stopper and a 5/32 drill bit at the hardware store for a temp fix. Seems to be working OK for now.

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/83686-1/vacplug.JPG

Finally got her fired up. New parts are smokey but it's running!:partywoot:

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/83690-1/smoke.JPG

Pulls 22 inches of vac at idle but makes 22 psi of boost! :wow1: Might have to switch to the MBC or maybe beef up the hose going to the WG can?

Here she is outside for the first time in about 4 months.

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/83698-1/done2.JPG

Still a long way to go on the engine bay detailing but it's looking much better.

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/83694-1/done.JPG

Needs exhaust now. Open downpipe is LOUD!!:eek:

glhturbo1985

03-15-2009, 01:39 AM

I imagine it's loud... looks great! I can't wait to hear either kitty purr here. I'm envious!

We blasted one S car today (weather finally held up at 50 degrees today) Girlfriend, myself, and mostly dad got progress done today with car sheize` and yard chores for us kids... Heck, 25 and living with parents while going to school for engineering ain't easy on a kid on spring break (I don't care who you are, 1 acre with parents who are 60 ain't easy on any kid, regardless of age).

Marcus86GLHS

03-15-2009, 05:57 AM

CONGRATS CHAD!

the car really looks great, excellent work sir. this car is gonna be a blast to drive.

glhturbo1985

03-15-2009, 08:06 AM

Got the cam rockers and lifters all ready to go.

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/83643-1/tbicam.JPG

Did you use Lucas Oil to keep the cam and journals lubed for trial 1 turnover. I have heard great things about it and recently added some of the Oil conditioner (for lack of a precise name right now) to my TurboZ.

I'm a pretty big fan of Lucas overall.. The upper cylinder conditioner, and now the oil additive to prevent dry starts and increased oil pressure. It said on the bottle that the oil additive was great for first starts on rebuilds!

2.216VTurbo

03-16-2009, 02:46 AM

Your engine bay looks most excellent Chad:clap: Four months well spent:thumb:

glhturbo1985

03-16-2009, 02:20 PM

I'll get a pic of the underside for you tonight if I can remember. I also wanna do some research on hatch struts we have for Marcus... I can't wait to drive the S'. I am sick of working on em.

Chad T

03-16-2009, 06:22 PM

Thanks for all the kind words guys. It's really good to have her back together. Looks like my boost issue is from a broken IM vac connector. OnceI get that sorted I can install the exhaust and see how she runs.

I imagine it's loud... looks great! I can't wait to hear either kitty purr here. I'm envious!

We blasted one S car today (weather finally held up at 50 degrees today) Girlfriend, myself, and mostly dad got progress done today with car sheize` and yard chores for us kids... Heck, 25 and living with parents while going to school for engineering ain't easy on a kid on spring break (I don't care who you are, 1 acre with parents who are 60 ain't easy on any kid, regardless of age).

Enjoy your folks while you can.

Did you use Lucas Oil to keep the cam and journals lubed for trial 1 turnover. I have heard great things about it and recently added some of the Oil conditioner (for lack of a precise name right now) to my TurboZ.

I did use some assembly lube with lots of zinc in it. My machinist tells me that the lack of zinc in newer oils (even Mobil 1) is what causes the slider cams to wear so quickly.

I'll get a pic of the underside for you tonight if I can remember. I also wanna do some research on hatch struts we have for Marcus... I can't wait to drive the S'. I am sick of working on em.

You need to post up a thread on that thing!!

glhturbo1985

03-16-2009, 11:42 PM

Enjoy your folks while you can.

You need to post up a thread on that thing!!

It's not my ride or I would. I'd just rather put something (project thread or portfolio of restoration) together once it's all said and done. I'd nitpick myself to death if I were to start a project thread for it now. Here are a few pics from this weekend's ordeal. mucho progresso!:nod:

I need to remind myself to enjoy my parents company and caring more often. Thanks for putting me in check. I try to be level headed, but I'm sure I'm oblivious to a lot of crap I just take for granted.

Chad T

03-16-2009, 11:51 PM

That's some awesome work there Dan! I found the pics in your SWPA Car Talk thread as well. That's definitely the right way to do it. Good so see someone doing a serious restoration on one of these cars.

black86glhs

03-16-2009, 11:51 PM

Dan, tthat thing hasn't been that clean since it was being put together! The rotisserie would be nice to have.:nod: When it comes time to replace the floor pans, that is what I need.:clap:

Marcus86GLHS

03-17-2009, 05:46 AM

nice pix Dan! wow, that is a serious restoration right there sir. You really gotta do a moving-thread for that project, like Chad has done here. We'd all learn a lot.

2.216VTurbo

03-17-2009, 10:00 AM

WOW Dan:wow1: I can't believe you stripped your GLH down that far just because it had that rock chip in the paint:D I guess you do like to be thorough...

glhturbo1985

03-18-2009, 12:39 AM

WOW Dan:wow1: I can't believe you stripped your GLH down that far just because it had that rock chip in the paint:D I guess you do like to be thorough...

It's 86 GLHS#480... funny though. It's my dad's, or I would gladly include it in my signature! :nod:

Mike_Shepard

03-21-2009, 10:05 PM

I hear someone has engine problems :(

Chad T

03-22-2009, 05:16 AM

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/83903-1/brntpstn.JPG

Yeah lil' bit. :(

Marcus86GLHS

03-22-2009, 05:24 AM

Dam. sorry to see that pix Chad after all your hard work.

Will you be considering a full set of forged pistons?

mo' parts

03-22-2009, 11:53 AM

Ouch, i knew you leaned out, but dang!!
That nick in the piston/ and melted area, has me concerned about the bore.... got a pict of it?
was it just no.4 or was there others? you cant tell ringland damage from above, lol.
if your not thinking about removing the block, it would be a good time to at least install some t2 rods and floating pin pistons. Those you have now have pressed in pins, makes it a little more difficult to just swap a piston, unless you have a press.

Chad T

03-22-2009, 12:49 PM

Here is the bore Adam.

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/83907-1/brntpstn2.JPG

Looks like a little aluminum stuck to the side there. Not sure what to do at this point. The other 3 cyls have 150+ compression on an ice cold motor.

I do have a hydralic press actually. :)

Oh the nick is from me trying to pull it out from the top. The rod was hanging up in the bore and I just needed to turn the crank a bit.

black86glhs

03-22-2009, 12:58 PM

I have some common block rods and bearings.:eyebrows:

Chad T

03-22-2009, 01:18 PM

I have some common block rods and bearings.:eyebrows:

Cool Bryan! I need to figure out what's going to be the best route. Guess I need to pull those other pistons and see how they look. After looking at #4 it's obvious that you can't see the cracks without pulling them out.

Maybe I need to get a whole bushel of pistons and just consider them consumables. ;)

black86glhs

03-22-2009, 02:02 PM

You'll get really good at pulling it apart!!!:hail::hail:

Mike_Shepard

03-22-2009, 02:11 PM

HOLY SHET man that sux

mo' parts

03-22-2009, 04:18 PM

seems you may be able to remove the aluminum, and still be ok, maybe a quick hone.
if you had 150 in each of the others cold, id say there fine. Maybe a tad high for a cold engine, but could be due to a shaved head:) or a tooth on the cam sprocket. Did you ever find out where the ignition timing was? got to find out where the problem is so, still need to double check your wastegate vaccum lines, do you have an adjustable wastegate arm?
Id say that vette' got a run for its money.:D

Chad T

03-22-2009, 04:41 PM

seems you may be able to remove the aluminum, and still be ok, maybe a quick hone.

That would be the preffered route since the other cyls seem to be in good shape.

Maybe a tad high for a cold engine, but could be due to a shaved head:) or a tooth on the cam sprocket. Did you ever find out where the ignition timing was? got to find out where the problem is so, still need to double check your wastegate vaccum lines, do you have an adjustable wastegate arm?
Id say that vette' got a run for its money.:D

The head was milled to clean it up and true it. Don't think there was a lot removed though. Wonder if I should shim it?

Didn't check the timing. Just couldn't bear to hear it run on 3 cyls again. It will definitely get checked before I run it again.

Do have the adj arm. We actually set it when you were over here.

black86glhs

03-22-2009, 06:28 PM

Are you going to get another TI piston and rod assembly?

Chad T

03-22-2009, 07:34 PM

That would be the simplest fix. I'm gonna think about it for a day or 2. Don't really want to build the heck out of this motor as it's the original block. Just want a mild 15 or so PSI. If I knew I could put a piston in and have it back the way it was I'd be fine with just doing that.

Anybody have a T1 piston on a rod? Looks like these were just '86?

black86glhs

03-22-2009, 07:45 PM

86 and 87 L-body turbo motors. Can be a TI engine(non-intercooled).

mo' parts

03-23-2009, 09:21 AM

Anybody have a T1 piston on a rod? Looks like these were just '86?
i have four of them at my barn up north, i might be able to get them today or tomorrow if your interested.LMK

If 15psi is ALL you plan to run, then the t1 rods should be fine.

SUPER60omni

03-29-2009, 12:31 PM

Been there done that.........lots of times. You got lucky and it only transfered a small abount of the piston onto the wall. The way i used to fix this was take a torch (usually oxy/acty) and just heat the aluminum up til it just falls or flakes off the cylinder wall, then give it a quick hone and put it back together with new stuff. I always had good luck with this.....but then again I have used a torch every day for like 5yrs straight so it easy to see what metals do with heat. Just go slow and dont get the cylinder too hot. Good luck.

mo' parts

03-29-2009, 03:35 PM

Chad,
i may be needing my ring compressor sometime this week, your rings come in yet?

Chad T

03-30-2009, 07:33 AM

Didn't get the rings yet Adam but if you need the compressor you can have it back. I had to order a single cyl set from NAPA online. Not sure when they're coming.

You guys think there will be any issues with using a different rod and putting my bearings in it? A friend was telling me I should use the same rod so it has the same clearance on the big end.

WickedShelby88

03-31-2009, 10:35 AM

Make sure you measure the clearance with the bearings installed. Plastigauge it if need be or use an inside bore or snap gauge with a micrometer. You can never be too careful with rods in these cars. Also it wouldn't hurt to weigh the rods if you can, but it sounds like the ones coming are already pressed. If you run new bearings you should be fine, but just check your clearance to your journal in 3 places and compare it to the spec as well as your side to side clearance.

Chad T

04-11-2009, 02:08 AM

After deciding I should re-use the original rod I figured I'd check on the original NOS piston a little birdy told me about (thanks Mark!) :thumb:

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/84236-1/nospiston.JPG

Pressed the old pin out myself and had the new pin pressed in at the machine shop today for $10. Brought it in and installed the rings.

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/84348-1/nospiston2.JPG

I noticed some gouges in the crank from when I was trying to remove the piston while the rod was catching the block. Polished it up with some 1500 grit wet dry paper and oil. Looks OK now. Hopefully it will be alright.

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/84360-1/crank.JPG

The honeing looks decent for my first time.......Hown3d! :p

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/84356-1/bore.JPG

New piston looks nice and cozy.

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/84352-1/nospiston3.JPG

Just need to get the pan and head on, then get the exhaust hooked up and do some driving! :nod:

Chad T

04-18-2009, 11:28 PM

GLHS #088 is back together and running great! I hooked the WG can to straight to the manifold and I'm getting 6-8 psi of boost. Looks like the boost control issue is handled. :partywoot: Also timed the motor correctly this time. :nod:

Went to jegs this morning and picked up a Magnaflow cat and took that, the TU catback pipes and my Magnaflow muffler to a local shop (Buckeye Muffler) for the install.

I really like the way it turned out.

This is a big 5X8X18 Magnaflow Ultraflow muffler. Tucked up in there nice.

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/84673-1/exhaust1.JPG

Still need to figure out what to do for a tip. Thinking about just a simple turn down.

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/84677-1/exhaust2.JPG

Here you can kind of see the bends needed to get around the l-body rod shifter. I really like the wideband O2 position he came up with.

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/84681-1/exhaust3.JPG

Sounds really nice. Pretty loud but not too loud. Got her home and gave her a much deserved bath.

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/84669-1/bath.JPG

Engine bay is almost back to the way it was. Just need to install the distributer splash shield....now where did those screws go? :p

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/84685-1/done3.JPG

Marcus86GLHS

04-19-2009, 05:38 AM

NICE WORK Chad! That's a quality combination of parts in a very nice car.

Marcus86GLHS

04-19-2009, 05:38 AM

NICE WORK Chad! That's a quality combination of parts in a very nice car.

glhturbo1985

04-20-2009, 08:57 AM

Chad, one day my dad and I will be working the 3" exhaust around the 525 shifter. Can you broadcast some closer pics showing how close the pipe is to the shifter's little cage?

Looks very nice!

mo' parts

04-20-2009, 03:42 PM

Chad, lookin good as usual. finnaly got mine back together, now mikes is down. Course, thats how it goes, one gets running and another goes down.:D

Chad T

04-21-2009, 06:58 PM

Chad, lookin good as usual. finnaly got mine back together, now mikes is down. Course, thats how it goes, one gets running and another goes down.:D

Thanks Adam and thanks for all the guidence and knowledge. You actually helped me out a lot. Looks like my cam timing was probably off as the car drives completely different now. Before it wouldn't do anything under part throtle then when you hit WOT it would just explode like a bomb. :eek:

Running nice and smooth now. Also seeing around 19 inches of vacuum at idle instead of 22 like before. It was pulling over 20 inches with a completely melted piston.

Chad, one day my dad and I will be working the 3" exhaust around the 525 shifter. Can you broadcast some closer pics showing how close the pipe is to the shifter's little cage?

Looks very nice!

Dan here are a few pics for you to ponder. The 3 inch exhaust on an Omni takes a little tweeking to get to fit.

Here is the part around the shifter. Hard to see the actual bend since I couldn't get right under it but you can see the down pipe is shoved all the way to one side. The guy who did this actually flattened the pipe a bit for some extra clearence. You can also see the wideband O2 sensor in this pic.

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/84798-1/exhaust4.JPG

The guy almost refused to do this exhaust when he saw the clearence over the rear axle. I finally got him to agree when I said it was OK if it rattled a bit. I also told him it wasn't an expensive system and he could tweek it as needed. For all the resistance he put up he really did a nice job.

When he was showing me the install he said he ended up with a lot more clearence than he thought he would. YOu can see where he flattened the pipe to clear the gas tank. He made me bend the tab on the tank. :p

He also did some bending on the TU pipes to get them to fit better.

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/84802-1/exhaust5.JPG

I wanted it fairly quiet so I bought a 5X8X18 (body length) muffler and it sounds great! :nod: Got it stuffed up in there using the same approach as on Carrol's #001 car.

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/84806-1/exhaust6.JPG

HTHs and good luck with your install. I'm real happy with how this turned out even though it's not the prettiest from under the car. No rattling whatsoever. I think the pinching of the pipes was a great idea. Shouldn't change the volume or flow of them much if any.

glhturbo1985

04-22-2009, 01:00 PM

Thanks alot for providing the pics. I wonder if this'll alter my dad's ideas/dreams of 3". My dad's pretty straighforward. If it's not stock, or requires modification other than bolt-on... he's shaky

Marcus86GLHS

04-22-2009, 01:24 PM

Dan is your Dad going to want to establish some great ET's w/ his restored S? If he's not looking for maximum performance why not go w/ a nice 2.5" system? Lots more room for one of those.

The 3" piping under the omni is tricky for the novice, but a cake walk for a good pipe guy as Chad points out. And all the 3" exhaust parts are easily reversed in any event.

glhturbo1985

04-22-2009, 02:43 PM

no ET's. I'll be happy if the darn things ever see the road again! we already have 2 3" systems waiting to be installed. Seems really pointless to buy another 2.5". that's the only reason!

Chad T

04-23-2009, 07:23 AM

no ET's. I'll be happy if the darn things ever see the road again! we already have 2 3" systems waiting to be installed. Seems really pointless to buy another 2.5". that's the only reason!

You have another Omni in the works that's getting 3 inch pipes? Unless you're really exparienced at doing exhaust and have a tube bender and pipe swager I wouldn't try to DIY the 3 inch exhaust.

The 3" piping under the omni is tricky for the novice, but a cake walk for a good pipe guy as Chad points out. And all the 3" exhaust parts are easily reversed in any event.

My exhaust guy almost kicked me out of his shop for asking him to put those 3 inch pipes on my Omni. :D So probably not a piece of cake but yes a good exhaust guy can do it. Definitely need the equipment and know-how.

You will have to purchase some sort of cat to have a shop do it. They won't install anything without a converter. My install was $150 and took him about 2 hours.

Stopped at Jegs last night and got a tip to finish off the exhaust. I wanted a Magnaflow tip since I've got the Magnaflow cat and muffler but the ones for 3 inch exhaust are huge and very expensive. Then I realized the outlet of the muffler is 3 inch OD so I could fit a 3 inch pipe inside.

I found a 3 inch Magnaflow tip that's made for 2.25 inch exhaust and just cut the small end off. Fit's in there nice and snug. I wanted to get it in there a little farther but it wouldn't go and it won't come back out so this is the way it's going to be. Let me know what you guys think.

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/84844-1/tip3.JPG

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/84840-1/tip2.JPG

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/84836-1/tip1.JPG

glhturbo1985

04-23-2009, 08:54 AM

That looks nice.

Chad T

04-24-2009, 07:32 AM

Thanks Dan.

I hooked up the MBC last night and It's right at 17 psi. Getting right around 11.5:1 on the air fuel ratio and she really rips!! Still can't get the solenoid to open the wastegate for some reason so I just put the MBC in it's place. :D

Not getting any overboost cut out but I wonder if I was in it long enough. I did do some pulls on the freeway to be able to see the A/F gauge and still no cutout.

I have a modded map with a zener but I'm wondering if I even need it?

Here's a pic of the MBC install.

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/84852-1/mbc.JPG

mo' parts

04-29-2009, 09:41 AM

glhturbo1985

04-29-2009, 10:33 AM

You have another Omni in the works that's getting 3 inch pipes?

Yeah,
-dad has 2 GLHS'. both are keeping 525's. The "museum piece" is getting 3". The other is keeping stock exhaust for now.

-dad also has a black GLHT from California. It's getting DC intercooled. 523. 3" exhaust, and rear discs (hopefully).

We have too many projects, not enough time.

Chad T

04-29-2009, 08:34 PM

Chad, you wont see any overboost with the zener:eyebrows:
Just watch that air/fuel:D
the stage 2 lm has an overboost limiter, but it has a delay, a few seconds i believe..

It's nice to know I have that Zener if I need it Adam. :thumb: I was doing a little digging the last few nights and have found out some interesting things. I guess a few people have ran 18 ish PSI on the Stage 2 without the cutout. I guess there's a 10 sec delay on the cutout. I can't imagine being over 14.7 PSI for more than 10 secs.

If you'd like to take a spin sometime I'd love to have you watch the A/F on a few pulls and let me know what you think. It's really hard to get a good read on it. This thing scoots at WOT!! A/Fs are in the mid eleven-ish range. I'm getting some 12s but I can't tell if it's just transitioning or if that's all I can get. You gotta get a ride in it though. :eyebrows:

Yeah,
-dad has 2 GLHS'. both are keeping 525's. The "museum piece" is getting 3". The other is keeping stock exhaust for now.

-dad also has a black GLHT from California. It's getting DC intercooled. 523. 3" exhaust, and rear discs (hopefully).

We have too many projects, not enough time.

WOW! That's quite the GLH colection there. Make sure to get lots of pics and post up some details on the projects when you get a chance OK?

mo' parts

04-29-2009, 10:34 PM

It's nice to know I have that Zener if I need it Adam. :thumb: I was doing a little digging the last few nights and have found out some interesting things. I guess a few people have ran 18 ish PSI on the Stage 2 without the cutout. I guess there's a 10 sec delay on the cutout. I can't imagine being over 14.7 PSI for more than 10 secs.

If you'd like to take a spin sometime I'd love to have you watch the A/F on a few pulls and let me know what you think. It's really hard to get a good read on it. This thing scoots at WOT!! A/Fs are in the mid eleven-ish range. I'm getting some 12s but I can't tell if it's just transitioning or if that's all I can get. You gotta get a ride in it though. :eyebrows:

Cant wait. just lmk when, i do have a g-tec. not the best but gives you an idea. plus where im at, back roads arent far away:eyebrows:
Wait till u see 18-20 psi in that little thing.:D
my block is in the shop.....

Chad T

04-29-2009, 10:39 PM

Cant wait. just lmk when, i do have a g-tec. not the best but gives you an idea. plus where im at, back roads arent far away:eyebrows:

That sounds good! Might give you a shout tomorow. Momma's getting her hair done and taking the little guy with her.

Wait till u see 18-20 psi in that little thing.:D

I'm peaking right around 19 with the MBC and dropping back to about 17-18 now. It's wicked!

my block is in the shop.....

Noooo! I thought you just got it running?

mo' parts

04-29-2009, 10:48 PM

That sounds good! Might give you a shout tomorow. Momma's getting her hair done and taking the little guy with her.

I'm peaking right around 19 with the MBC and dropping back to about 17-18 now. It's wicked!

Noooo! I thought you just got it running?

yeah, the sound deading material inside the 20 year old oil pan decided it was time to break free.....
the shop is about done with it though:D

Mike_Shepard

04-30-2009, 09:07 AM

WOOOOHOOOOOO I got me car running solid HAHA. Now to get a clutch. Oh and 22psi is awesome

Chad T

04-30-2009, 05:17 PM

yeah, the sound deading material inside the 20 year old oil pan decided it was time to break free.....
the shop is about done with it though:D

Sounds wild. You'll have to tell me about that next time we meet up. My car didn't have anything like that in the pan. Looks like it might be a little wet for fun runs tonight. Ordered a Walbro fuel pump today. Still running the original 2 pump setup.:eek:

WOOOOHOOOOOO I got me car running solid HAHA. Now to get a clutch. Oh and 22psi is awesome

Nice going Mike!! :thumb: We should get together when we've got all the Cols TDs running.

black86glhs

05-04-2009, 12:41 PM

WOOOOHOOOOOO I got me car running solid HAHA. Now to get a clutch. Oh and 22psi is awesomeMike, what fixed it? Sorry to change subjects in Chad's thread, but inquiring minds want to know!!!:nod:

Mike_Shepard

05-04-2009, 01:13 PM

Well she still has occasional issues but over all she's running great

Chad T

05-06-2009, 10:49 PM

Mike, what fixed it? Sorry to change subjects in Chad's thread, but inquiring minds want to know!!!:nod:

Oh no problem Bryan. Don't think you got an answer though?

I got my Walbro high pressure 255 pump installed last night. Car still had the original 2 pump system on it. A/Fs were getting a bit thin with the higher boost levels.

Couldn't believe how small this thing was. Lot smaller than the external l-body pump.

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/85291-1/walbro.JPG

About the same size as the internal pump though which worked out well.

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/85295-1/walbro2.JPG

I ended up disassembling the plug and swapping the spade connectors on to the stock wires so I didn't have to do the butt splice. Just don't like the sound of that. :D

Had to trim the plastic a bit on the inside of the hanger but the pump fits nice with the foam sock around it.

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/85299-1/walbro3.JPG

Fished the whole shebang right back in the tank on the first try! :nod: Lot's more room with that external pump out of the way. I loosened the clamp for the e-brake cable and pushed that out of the way as well but didn't even have to loosen a strap on the tank or move it at all.

Also got a new coolant overflow res cap from a fellow TM'er. Thanks Mark!

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2/d/85287-1/cap.JPG

black86glhs

05-07-2009, 01:40 AM

Oh no problem Bryan. Don't think you got an answer though?

I got my Walbro high pressure 255 pump installed last night. Car still had the original 2 pump system on it. A/Fs were getting a bit thin with the higher boost levels.

Couldn't believe how small this thing was. Lot smaller than the external l-body pump.

About the same size as the internal pump though which worked out well.

I ended up disassembling the plug and swapping the spade connectors on to the stock wires so I didn't have to do the butt splice. Just don't like the sound of that. :D

Had to trim the plastic a bit on the inside of the hanger but the pump fits nice with the foam sock around it.

Fished the whole shebang right back in the tank on the first try! :nod: Lot's more room with that external pump out of the way. I loosened the clamp for the e-brake cable and pushed that out of the way as well but didn't even have to loosen a strap on the tank or move it at all.

Also got a new coolant overflow res cap from a fellow TM'er. Thanks Mark!I was thinking the same thing Chad....lol. Btw, looking good there.:nod:

Mike_Shepard

05-07-2009, 08:18 AM

HAHA well Im honestly thinking it was the plugs or the coil. I was running Champion #9's and decided to put 12's back in, This cleared it up some but not all the way then I decided to put a new coil on it and now I have no issues at all.
But now im running into this intermitent problem of after driving for a short period of time the RPMS get stuck at 3K then eventually lower to 1K it dont do this all the time though.

black86glhs

05-08-2009, 04:16 PM

Chad T

05-09-2009, 03:18 AM

Poor connection at the speed sensor? Ify speed sensor?

I was thinking the same thing but possibly the temp sensor? I know mine shot to 3k when i unplugged it on a running motor to check the timing..

black86glhs

05-09-2009, 07:05 PM

I was thinking the same thing but possibly the temp sensor? I know mine shot to 3k when i unplugged it on a running motor to check the timing..Another excellent place to look. Also, SMEC connectors?

Assuming you have a SMEC, Mike.:thumb:

Mike_Shepard

05-10-2009, 07:54 AM

Yeah I have a Stg 5 Smec from FWD. But now I have another problem. It seems Antifreeze is not combustable. DAMMIT. It has been seeping coolant since I got it running and knew it was going to happen eventually, But I was putting a spanking on a Saleen and I look in the rearveiw to see where he was and im spitting white smoke. so I popped the HG :(

Parked it on the side of the road (270) and said I'd pick it up later cause I had a wedding to go to. Well I get to the car around 10 o'clock and my buddies like do you have the key for your wheels? I said sure they're in the glove box. He said look next to your car. WTF why are there Cynder blocks HOLY ----!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SO long story short I need a glove box door, Console lid, Maybe a T- Top (it wont unlock from where they tried to steal them too) and another tool kit for my wheels. Luckily they didnt get anything other than the tool kit

glhturbo1985

05-10-2009, 07:10 PM

Damn! Sorry, but I have to ask for pics. My imagination isn't doing well enough.

So Sorry for you. Pricks!!! I hope they wrecked on their way with your wheels.

Mike_Shepard

05-11-2009, 06:16 PM

Yeah luckily they didnt get anything so im not to worried. Well I draind the oil to start my tear down and I had about 1/2 quart of antifreeze come out. I hope there isnt a window in my piston

Chad T

06-06-2009, 09:52 PM

Finished buffing the car out today after wetsanding it. Man wetsanding is a lot of work! Didn't get all the uneven-ness out of the paint but it turned out decent. Took lots of buffing to get the sanding scratches out.

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/photopost/data/500/buff3.JPG

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/photopost/data/500/buff4.JPG

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/photopost/data/500/buff5.JPG

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/photopost/data/500/buff6.JPG

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/photopost/data/500/buff7.JPG

Put the skirts back on but still have to install the molding...and clean all the compound out of the cracks. ;)

glhturbo1985

06-06-2009, 11:10 PM

Did you just get the whole thing repainted, or just finally get around to wet sand/buffing?
Once you see how good of a job you can do yourself, you look at new cars and wonder how car companies get away with their products looking like such crap!

Looks Real Good. Hope to see it at SDAC this year!

Oh..... keep the heater/cowl area grills covered with tape! Compound is EXTREMELY hard to get out of them!!!!!!!!!! Mine still look like dog crap cause of all the buildup.

Chad T

06-06-2009, 11:25 PM

Oh..... keep the heater/cowl area grills covered with tape! Compound is EXTREMELY hard to get out of them!!!!!!!!!! Mine still look like dog crap cause of all the buildup.

Now you tell me. :p

Car has a real rough paint job from the previous owner. Just trying to make it look as good as I can. The clear on the sides is real thick and saggy but it looks better after the sanding. Could use some more.

I should be at SDAC on Sun for the show. Look forward to seeing your car too. You going to have your dad's GLHS ready?

Mike_Shepard

06-06-2009, 11:56 PM

Chad Adam and I need a press to get a set of ARP Rod bolts out to put in another rod. Ohhhh boy did I kill this motor I'll take pics tomorrow

Chad T

06-07-2009, 12:33 AM

You can use the press any time Mike. I sent you a PM.

glhturbo1985

06-07-2009, 11:05 PM

Now you tell me. :p

Car has a real rough paint job from the previous owner. Just trying to make it look as good as I can. The clear on the sides is real thick and saggy but it looks better after the sanding. Could use some more.

I should be at SDAC on Sun for the show. Look forward to seeing your car too. You going to have your dad's GLHS ready?

The buildup wouldn't be as noticeable if the car wasn't black, or dark (like mine).
Seriously doubt either GLHS will be done for SDAC. I dream of the day when my dad and I are able to both drive one to the convention.
My clutch starting acting chattery today. Not sure what the deal is with it. Gonna have my dad drive it and hear his opinion. I hope I'm not replacing a clutch before SDAC. But it'd be better at home than in the hotel parking lot.

Chad T

06-08-2009, 08:46 PM

I hope I'm not replacing a clutch before SDAC. But it'd be better at home than in the hotel parking lot.

So you're driving your car out? Very cool! :thumb:

Got the skirts and trim back on yesterday.

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/photopost/data/500/buff9.JPG

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/photopost/data/500/buff8.JPG

A guy from the neighorhood stopped by Saturday on his bicycle and I took him for a ride in the Omni. He was very impressed with it but stopped by yesterday to show me his "Real Mopar". :D

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/photopost/data/500/samalite.JPG

It's a 440 with a 4 speed and it freaking rips! :wow1:

Then we drove his car over to look at another cool Mopar in the neighborhood. This car also has a 440 but with some boost.

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/photopost/data/500/cuda.JPG

Never knew there were so many cool cars within a 2 mile radius of the house. :)

mo' parts

06-17-2009, 07:39 AM

Chad, car looks great! You driving it down to the car show?
nice old school Mopar's too.
Mike is worse than a woman when it come to getting something done. i could have had him a motor put together by now....... Thats why i have'nt bothered you about the press, even though its just pressing the 2 arp's out of the rod that he BENT! Never seen a motor go so lean that it tried to weld the wiseco's in the bore, and bend a rod. doh!!!

Mike_Shepard

06-17-2009, 09:22 AM

HAHA YEAH YEAH YEAH my arse is broke, Oh wait I got paid yesterday. Hmm

Chad T

06-18-2009, 07:03 AM

Chad, car looks great! You driving it down to the car show?

Thanks Adam! I should be there Sunday for the show. What time does everybody usually get there for that?

Mike is worse than a woman when it come to getting something done.

Baaa haaa. Well it's here whenever he's ready. :p

Chad T

06-18-2009, 07:09 AM

mo' parts

06-18-2009, 08:11 AM

Thanks Adam! I should be there Sunday for the show. What time does everybody usually get there for that?

Baaa haaa. Well it's here whenever he's ready. :p

from what i read, the gates open at 9, they'll be there a little earlier than that setting up.
if you have room i may need a ride down sunday. i cant afford the whole event this year unfortunately.

Chad T

06-18-2009, 10:16 PM

Would love to have you ride along Adam! Will probably leave 7 or 8ish. Should be nice driving that early on a Sunday.

Chad T

08-26-2009, 10:29 PM

:bump2:

Been a while since I posted. The good news is that I got 2nd place in the '86 GLHS class at SDAC. Hard to beat Mark C's 16k mile survivor!.:thumb:

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/photopost/data/500/sdac.JPG

Bad news is that when I got to SDAC I had oil coming out of the dipstick tube and oil cap.

Looks like I've found another tuning method by reading piston cracks. :D

http://forums.audiworld.com/picture.php?albumid=21509&pictureid=218646

You can tell the tune is getting a lot closer on the right hand piston.

So back up on the ramps she goes.

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/photopost/data/500/redo1.JPG

Borrowed my friend's cherry picker this time to save my back. Of course when I offered to return it I got the ole "Oh don't wory about it. I'll come get it if I need it." :D Guess I could have seen that coming since I made him dig it out.

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/photopost/data/500/crane.JPG

Grabbed one of the spare pistons I had (thanks Adam!) and pressed the piston and pin on to the existing Rod.

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/photopost/data/500/piston.JPG

No damage to the bore this time.

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/photopost/data/500/bore2.JPG

Looks right at home.

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/photopost/data/500/pistons.JPG

Actually looks cleaner that the others because I was sucking a lot of oil from the breather.

Fixed that with a new breather setup.

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/photopost/data/500/breather1.JPG

Looks like a bit more fuel was needed so I added some DSM injectors.

DSM next to stock and +20

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/photopost/data/500/dsminj1.JPG

In the rail...

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/photopost/data/500/dsminj2.JPG

On the intake...

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/photopost/data/500/dsminj3.JPG

Fuel filter only had a couple hundred miles on it but it was on there with a rusty tank so I changed that.

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/photopost/data/500/fuelfilter.JPG

Installed an Indy intercooler..

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/photopost/data/500/indy21.JPG

Also installed a new timing belt, HEP (seems like I trashed that pulling plug wires to find the bad cyl?) New waterpump and ribbed belt.

I've had her running about a month and just got her back to 17 PSI with A/Fs in the 10.5:1 range to be safe. DSM injectors seem to be a good fit for this setup. Still running right around 14.7:1 at idle and cruise.

Still wants to go a bit lean when boosting at part throttle though. Haven't been driving her a whole lot as I bought a new winter beater I've been driving. Makes a nice summer beater too. :D

http://forums.audiworld.com/picture.php?albumid=21509&pictureid=219085

I did drive the Omni to work today though. She's running stronger than ever! :partywoot: