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Johnny
08-05-2008, 11:10 AM
There are TWO different types of 1-1/4" k-frame area anti-swaybar bushings in the 80's cars. One is the stock style and one is more of a "D" shape.

http://polybushings.com/images/bushings.jpg

If your car takes the "D" shape one there are issues. The "D" shape one I have been selling fits BUT you can't use the stock bracket to hold it up. You need to add a spacer or use a flat bar.

I went out and bought NEW "D" style ones that fit correctly. But they are soft rubber. I bought them to potentially use to copy and make polyurethane bushings.

If I spend the money on this mold I would need to sell 30 sets to just pay the mold at my regular price. Price is $28 for all 4 bushings.

QUESTION! Would anyone buy these? And would you be willing to pay an extra $2 for these?

tryingbe
08-05-2008, 12:22 PM
This is the problem I went into when trying to install the polybushings 1 1/4 inch bushings for my 89 Daytona Shelby. They seem to be too thick and big! Bolts are not even fully tighten yet.

http://www.thelostartof.net/tryingbe/dodge/Daytonaproject/bushing1.jpg

I ended up have to buy the universal energy suspension 1 1/4 inch bushings and modify the bracket to fit my car. I don't see how the D bushings are going to work without the D shape bracket.

http://www.thelostartof.net/tryingbe/dodge/Daytonaproject/swaybar3.jpg

Perhaps you can offer to sell a pair of poly bushings at the control arms with the along with the Universal energy suspension 1 1/4 inch bushings?

Johnny
08-05-2008, 12:32 PM
Your issue was different than that of "factory" style or "D" style. Your issue was unique to say the least and your solution was perfect. I carry the brackets and bushings, just don't have them on my web site. Good point, I will add them! But would need to add a flat bar.

Thanks,
Johnny

GLHNSLHT2
08-06-2008, 12:45 AM
I had the same issue when I tried your bar too Johnny. http://www.pnw-sdac.org/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=1014

So I don't think his issue was Unique.

Johnny
08-06-2008, 01:37 AM
What year was yours?

Most all take one or the other bushings. You two do have an issue, something different. But not the bushing I plan on making.

Johnny

Austrian Dodge
08-06-2008, 04:30 AM
i'm in for those...
i had problems fitting your bushings and squeezed them to much. i had to put back the stocker in.

Johnny, i probably will use your complete swaybar kit...will those new bushings fit it?
I need to stiffen the rear first anyways, but thats what comes to my mind.

thanks!!

GLHNSLHT2
08-06-2008, 11:09 PM
90 Shelby Kmember here.

GLHNSLHT2
08-06-2008, 11:10 PM
So Andreas had the same issue? that's 3 cars.

Johnny
08-07-2008, 12:56 AM
And all seem to be a 1990.

Johnny

Austrian Dodge
08-07-2008, 01:50 AM
mine is a 1992...
possibly the same? i'll get some pictures from underneath so you can see what it looks like

GLHNSLHT2
08-07-2008, 07:48 PM
The 89-94 kmembers are supposed to all be the same. With just the LCA's and sway bars being different over those 5 years. Maybe there's just a few of us that are paying close enough attention to not squish the bushing to where the sway bar jams up and doesn't move.

Austrian Dodge
08-08-2008, 02:12 AM
i need to get new bushings anyways, because i had a 89 1-1/4" swaybar on that car for about a year and completely destroyed my polybushings...
now switched back to my 92 1-1/4" and the poly's are so worn out, that i really don't want to corner FAST anymore :)

can bite my --- for having gone with the 89

Johnny
08-08-2008, 12:48 PM
you have a 1-1/4" from a 92? Special made?
I never heard of a 1-1/4" in the cast arm cars.

Johnny

GLHNSLHT2
08-08-2008, 07:30 PM
yea you can get a 1 1/4" in the cast arm cars.

Austrian Dodge
08-09-2008, 06:45 AM
has been there ever since, i wondered myself but maybe because it's a euro model it had that option from the factory?!

TopDollar69
08-09-2008, 11:22 AM
I had the same problem with 2 89 K frames with the factory style poly bushings. They will fit, but they are really squished.

GLHNSLHT2
08-09-2008, 02:04 PM
is that squishing not allowing the bar to rotate freely?

TopDollar69
08-09-2008, 03:23 PM
It does move alright as long as it has a good coating of poly lube on it, but they are hard to install, and just don't look right after you get them in. After looking at the stock bushings, they are the same shape and get squished exactly the same way, but the rubber seems to be more forgiving and takes the shape of the K frame better than the poly bushing.
http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/photopost/data/500/Picture_023.jpg

Johnny
08-11-2008, 10:25 AM
Everyone is talking about an issue that is not what this poll is about. Not a bad thing, as I did not know there were this many people with swaybar bushing fit problems in the 89-9? cars. Seems like mother mopar changed the k-frame shape and not the bushing. By looking at the photos, the k-frame is similar shape, but not as deep. A new bushing shape would help, but that one could be modified by those that do have them. Maybe just take a little off the top and bottom with a grinder. OR maybe a couple washers under the bracket so it doesn't clamp down so far.

Smashing the bushing is not a good thing. It should fit the bar and the O.D. area pretty close.

Johnny

Austrian Dodge
08-11-2008, 01:41 PM
anyways...i'm in for new bushings or a complete swaybar kit...count me in!!

The Pope
08-17-2008, 01:09 PM
justed added the energy suspension bushings to my 89 CSX with the 1 1/4" front bar, also added the ES A arm bushings. Unreal perfect fit and very very nice on the road. There isn't a problem other than sloppy A arms and crudy sway bar. I sanded my bar down smooth and painted it. I also run the notch in the bushing forward, not back like one of these photos. The stock A arm bushings let the A arm slop forward and back, changing the geometry the sway bar uses. Got the poly and green goo from Johnny and the suspension moves nicely. Now using these inner bushings to make the big bar fit a mini van, thats what I'm looking at. But still the bar is working with a couple dents and ES poly on the van, just doesn't look good.

Johnny
08-17-2008, 01:48 PM
Energy doesn't make the bushings 1-1/4", did you drill them out?

Johnny

The Pope
08-17-2008, 05:39 PM
Energy doesn't make the bushings 1-1/4", did you drill them out?
Johnny

you drilled them and sold them to me,,,:bounce2:

Got the poly and green goo from Johnny

Johnny
08-17-2008, 07:59 PM
I should read...sorry.
I used to sell the the engery ones, but most all of the ones now are made by PolyBushings.
Anyway, thanks for buying from me!
Johnny



you drilled them and sold them to me,,,

Got the poly and green goo from Johnny

The Pope
08-26-2008, 11:08 AM
other than A arm bushings and sway bar bushings ES has that you have sold there isn't much else anyway from them.

I also noticed better placement after using the ES A arm bushings with the sway bar bushings. As old as these cars are the suspension is "walking around" a bit with rubber. With ES A arm and sway bar bushings together, there is no problem with the 89 and 90s A arms.

As for the early A arms I have faught them for many years with the smaller round front bushings. I found the cure though as for the first time I did a set in the winter. Put the smaller bushing in the freezer over night, then quikly install it. They go fast and easy with no squish. And with the early ones the sway bars fit right with the poly in the A arms.

Not doing the A arms with the sway bar is down right stupid really. They are dirt cheap and the cars with any power can eat tires and follow ruts, not to mention the torque steer from rubber. The newer 89-90 rubber has huge air holes like a stock engine mount, to help them slop around even more. crazy

rich tideswell
09-02-2008, 12:55 PM
Johny, if all you have to do is drill out an Energy Suspension bushing, why bother making your own mold?

I do have a suggestion for a product idea though. Polyurathane lower strut spring seat isolator bushings. They are sandwhiched between the strut perch and the coil spring on the front struts. I'm 90% positive it's the same bushing used on all year non-L-Body K-Cars (and dirivites) and minivans. And it's the same one used on both sides of the car so you would get maximum value for your tooling costs.

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f297/rtideswell/coilspringisolator.jpg

Johnny
09-02-2008, 02:17 PM
I don't buy and re-sell Energy swaybar bushings any longer. I make my own now.

I would be interested in making the spring cushion.
First, are they still available from the dealer or any where else?
CAN I get a real good sample to make a mold from?

How many people would really be interested in buying these?

Johnny

rich tideswell
09-02-2008, 03:09 PM
I don't buy and re-sell Energy swaybar bushings any longer. I make my own now.

I would be interested in making the spring cushion.
First, are they still available from the dealer or any where else?
CAN I get a real good sample to make a mold from?

How many people would really be interested in buying these?

Johnny

Those cusions should be availble as new from the dealer. I can get you a PN, but you'll have to wait until I get home tonight. Aftermarket companies such as KYB, Monroe, Gabreil, ect make them as well... I got that pic from NAPA's site, but I'm unsure of the brand. In all honesty, if you were to take on this project, I'd get a new one from the dealer to use as your mold. More expensive, yes, but atleast this way you get an orginal design. Some times aftermarket companies like to change things a little.

Johnny
09-02-2008, 06:18 PM
My issue is, if all these company's ,make them, why would people buy them from me? As mine might cost more.

Johnny

rich tideswell
09-02-2008, 11:19 PM
I show two pn's for daytona... i dunno why, and i dont know the difference

4014441 used from 87-88 and 91-93
4404336 used 89-90

perhaps 84-86 didnt use them???? i suppose the dealer can verify pn's and applications/ years.

but as far as why to buy from you, well your product would be polyurathane vs rubber from eveyone else. as far as price, i suppose most would expect a preimuim for a premium part, but i think OEM rubbers from mopar are about $35 each, the aftermarket ones i've seen listed for the $50 range each, so I suppose you'd have to be in the $35-$50 to be compettive...... and I'm not sure if you'd sell enough to make it worth your while or what it would cost you in materials/ labor to make them. you would have to make that call.

also, as a side note, how come you don't have your own vendor section like fwdp?

Johnny
09-03-2008, 12:23 AM
also, as a side note, how come you don't have your own vendor section like fwdp?

Because of the cost!

Johnny
09-03-2008, 12:24 AM
Thanks for the part numbers. I am sure I could make them for the lower price.
Now, can we see how many would buy them?

Johnny

135sohc
09-03-2008, 12:59 AM
I'd buy a pair

also while on spring isolators. have you given any consideration to making rear spring isolators ?
lower ones in particular

P/n 4147759 all models 84-95 upper
p/n 4228799 all models 84-95 lower (these are backorder through mopar still)

Edit: corrected number

rich tideswell
09-03-2008, 07:59 AM
I'd buy a pair

also while on spring isolators. have you given any consideration to making rear spring isolators ?
lower ones in particular

P/n 4147759 all models 84-95 upper
p/n 4228799 all models 94-95 lower (these are backorder through mopar still)

Thanks for suggesting that, I forgot about those in the rear :thumb:

Johnny
09-11-2008, 06:00 PM
I made a few test samples. Decided to do this. Here is the photo of the new bushings.

http://polybushings.com/images/testbushings.jpg

Johnny
09-11-2008, 06:16 PM
For spring isolators, please check the general vender area for a poll and info.

Johnny
PolyBushings.com

Johnny
10-20-2008, 12:01 PM
xP/n 4147759 all models 84-95 upper
p/n 4228799 all models 94-95 lower (these are backorder through mopar still)

None for the 84-93 lower?

135sohc
10-20-2008, 12:20 PM
None for the 84-93 lower?

oops, typo :nod:


4228799 $13.80 $0.00 $12.42
Rear suspension - Suspension components - Spring insulator
Spring insulator, all models, lower 1984 - 1990

4228799 $13.80 $0.00 $12.42
Rear suspension - Suspension components - Lower spring insulator
Lower spring insulator, all models 1992 - 1995

4228799 $13.80 $0.00 $12.42
Rear suspension - Suspension components - Spring - Isolator
Lower 1988 - 1993

Johnny
10-21-2008, 12:13 AM
All the same part number, why the separate listings I wonder.

Thanks for the number.

Johnny

135sohc
10-21-2008, 01:18 AM
those were a direct copy & paste from my local dealers online parts dept search box. I'm not sure why but I guess it was due to the part being used in so many different vehicles, they simply added additional years onto the original listing as time went by. instead of revising the original catalog

just my theory. the multiple listings like that are common for some stuff.

Johnny
10-21-2008, 12:36 PM
Just called my guy at the local Dodge dealer. NONE any where. 29 on back order and none in the pipeline. He said they are not cancelled but says it doesn't look good.
SO...anyone have one (a new one) I could borrow?

135sohc
10-21-2008, 01:57 PM
upper or lower ?

I knew I wasnt crazy when I said they are backordered and probably being discontinued. especially once GM takes over...

anyways. I've got a pair of the upper ones, brand new if you need one. and I've got a lower one sitting around. somewhat used but you might be able to get measurements

Johnny
10-21-2008, 02:16 PM
I need one new OR in really good condition, because I would use it for the mold, not just measurements.

Johnny

bfarroo
10-21-2008, 08:38 PM
I got a set of the new "D" style bushings for my 87 and they fit great. I got a little carried away with the poly lube but that stuff is stickier than snot.

http://www.extremepsi.org/gallery/albums/album18/DSC01168.jpg

ShelbyMike87
02-10-2015, 05:23 PM
Hey guys check out energy suspension number 4.5108r it's for a mustang gt 85 it's the exact same size but in a D shape. I can get a pair from keystone at the part store where i work for around 20 canadian dollars, for that price i will get some this spring and see how that will fit. I'll keep you informed! :o