Running a 4barrell carb on a 2.2L [Archive]

Xtrempickup

03-04-2008, 08:26 PM

I was wondering if its possible to take a n/a carbed intake manifold and have it modified and the correct mounting for a 4barrell carb to be welded on it so i can make this poor rampage a bit faster. id hate to not exhaust any other options before i do my conversion to turbo. i obviously wont try to run a 700cfm carb, but something maybe a little more than a dual side draft set up. maybe even just modify it to accept a bigger 2 barrell

Anonymous_User

03-05-2008, 02:47 AM

Anything is possible. I can't think of a 4-barrel carb small enough for a 2.2, though.

Xtrempickup

03-05-2008, 12:38 PM

maybe a just a bigger 2 barrel, these holleys are tiny and the car can take 2 of them so

Turbodave

03-05-2008, 04:04 PM

You can get adapters to swap on a bigger holley 2bbl (350cfm?). That, a big cam and a header should help it out a little.

Xtrempickup

03-05-2008, 04:15 PM

where might i find all the stuff

looneytuner

03-05-2008, 04:54 PM

why not the twin webers? They come up for sale once in a while.

Turbodave

03-05-2008, 06:26 PM

where might i find all the stuff

Pretty sure this is the adapter you need.
http://racerwalsh.zoovy.com/product/RWA1255/RWA1255__adapter_kit_2bbl.html

I think that a regular 350cfm 2bbl holley would be available at most performance parts stores.

The old MP fwd book has some decent carb car info as does the team omni mailing list. My only carb vehicle is the two Rampages I've got and I plan on yanking the carb engines in exchange for turbo ones on both trucks, so I haven't really looked into carb performance much.

Xtrempickup

03-05-2008, 08:35 PM

good link, thanks, i wonder how much fab work now in addition for the linkages and if the fuel pump is enough being its stock

ATaylorRacing

03-06-2008, 07:53 PM

I had an adapter built for old Matchbox that was for a Holley 350 or 500 2 barrell to fit the stock intake. I ran the 350 and then a 500, ran NO quicker than the stock 5200 series carb. I had a 500 lift cam and header and electric water pump. Now that I have a 2.5 in it I will freshenup the old 500 lift cam and head and put it on with a 390 4 barrell! When I went from a carb 2.2 to the same set up on a 2.5 I had to use a huge set of jets on both primary and secondary sides of the carb to not go nuclear egts when driving down the road or track.

Xtrempickup

03-07-2008, 12:46 PM

ShelGame

03-07-2008, 02:55 PM

FWIW, I used to have one of the supercharger kit inatkes. The bolt pattern on that was the same as a Holley 4bbl. It would have needed some cutting to clear the butterflies, I think. But the carb would bolt on to it.

Xtrempickup

03-07-2008, 10:14 PM

i think the supercharger intakes is different than the stock as i only have a stock one

ATaylorRacing

03-09-2008, 12:07 AM

i dont know how you netted no gains, unless you never dynoed or anything it. i dunno just looking into options before i take on the project as i have enough on my plate thats unfinished over 4 years now

My dyno is the DRAG STRIP! I might add that the 350 seemed a better size because the 500 even with the smallest jets on it was a bit rich....the stock carb, the 350, and the 500 all ran the same ets. I also had to block off the power valve since the shake of the motor at idle would shake it open at times. I also tried the twin side draft webers....they had a bad heat soak problem.....once the car was driven, then parked the carbs got to hot from motor heat and it would take a bit of driving to get them to perform again... not good for the drag strp.

Reeves

01-28-2009, 01:56 PM

Bringing back an old thread....but has anyone tried the 390 Holley 4bbl yet?

http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=HLY%2D0%2D8007&N=700+4294919007+115&autoview=sku

or....even badder but more expensive:

http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=HLY%2D0%2D80507%2D1&N=700+4294919007+115&autoview=sku

contraption22

01-28-2009, 02:10 PM

LOL

How cool would it be to pop the hood to show you have a mini-Dominator on a 2.2?

I think it would be cool to take the lower half of a 2piece turboII intake and make an ITB setup for it... with 4 velocity stacks sticking though the hood...

Reeves

01-28-2009, 02:17 PM

The cool thing is that it's a full dominator from the pics! I think it just has smaller diameter bbl's in the main body.

BADAZZ!!!!

BadAssPerformance

01-28-2009, 02:51 PM

You can get adapters to swap on a bigger holley 2bbl (350cfm?). That, a big cam and a header should help it out a little.

I might have a MP 'street' carb cam in my stash...

Mopar Performance 2.2L Carb Cam - P4452767

8valves

01-28-2009, 03:13 PM

I have an individual carb setup with Fast By Gast Carbs here... :) It's for sale!

Reeves

01-28-2009, 03:45 PM

I might have a MP 'street' carb cam in my stash...

Mopar Performance 2.2L Carb Cam - P4452767

Pics? Info?

I have an individual carb setup with Fast By Gast Carbs here... :) It's for sale!

Pics? Info?

8valves

01-28-2009, 05:00 PM

Pics? Info?

Pics? Info?

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29504&highlight=carb+race+setup

I have all the details of the build now, from the original builder for those interested. Some of the specs in there aren't quite right, but close.

contraption22

01-28-2009, 05:08 PM

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29504&highlight=carb+race+setup

I have all the details of the build now, from the original builder for those interested. Some of the specs in there aren't quite right, but close.

Reeves,

That motor would be sweet in your Rampage.

shelbydave

01-28-2009, 05:36 PM

Also, is the carb you're running feedback or non feedback? Those feedback ones suck like a new hoover..

Reeves

01-28-2009, 06:48 PM

Reeves,

That motor would be sweet in your Rampage.

F'N EH it would!!!

I think I should go to Florida to pick it up off of Aaron, who is going to give it all to me, and then I'll meet you at my house Mike and we'll put it in! Should be done by this weekend.

contraption22

01-28-2009, 07:07 PM

8valves

01-28-2009, 07:54 PM

F'N EH it would!!!

I think I should go to Florida to pick it up off of Aaron, who is going to give it all to me, and then I'll meet you at my house Mike and we'll put it in! Should be done by this weekend.

Price it out, you won't build it for cheaper! Plus, I'm sure we could work out a reasonable deal. :eyebrows:

Or stick all this NA stuff in an old, laying around non-CB, and build the DC block into your next motor!! THAT's a good idea!

Xtrempickup

01-28-2009, 08:10 PM

cool this is some nice info

BadAssPerformance

01-28-2009, 08:49 PM

Pics? Info?

Ummm, looks like a 2.2L cam? Is it in the cam archive? http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/vbarticles.php?do=article&articleid=86

Reeves

01-28-2009, 10:02 PM

Ummm, looks like a 2.2L cam? Is it in the cam archive? http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/vbarticles.php?do=article&articleid=86

Whoops! Missed the cam part! I just saw the carb part. LOL. I thought you said you had a carb in your stash.

Aries_Turbo

01-28-2009, 10:39 PM

you know what would be even cooler, a stealthily hidden fogger plate under one of those holley carbs and some stout internals in the block.

"Naah man, its just a carbed 2.2L........."

Brian

BadAssPerformance

01-28-2009, 10:45 PM

Whoops! Missed the cam part! I just saw the carb part. LOL. I thought you said you had a carb in your stash.

Nope... I had an MP jet set but sold it to a guy with a Vega

Reeves

01-29-2009, 09:35 AM

you know what would be even cooler, a stealthily hidden fogger plate under one of those holley carbs and some stout internals in the block.

"Naah man, its just a carbed 2.2L........."

Brian

Uncompress the motor from Aaron down to 10.5 to 1 or so, add the nitrous plate FTW!!! I think I need a napkin! :thumb:

BIGBRUDDA

01-29-2009, 10:26 AM

Reeves

01-29-2009, 12:19 PM

Why I just happen to have a Holley "Econo-master" carb, I'd be willing to part with.:eyebrows:I believe it flows about 500cfm.I also have some parts for it too:nod:
And a box full of Holley tuning parts( jets,vents,pump cams,sec springs,) "Da works".:thumb:

2 bbl or 4 bbl? Hmm.....
500 cfm may be a little too much for a poor 2.2L...but with some down leg's it may work!

Reeves

01-29-2009, 12:20 PM

Price it out, you won't build it for cheaper! Plus, I'm sure we could work out a reasonable deal. :eyebrows:

Or stick all this NA stuff in an old, laying around non-CB, and build the DC block into your next motor!! THAT's a good idea!

3.55" bore 2.5L!! No replacement for displacement!

8valves

01-29-2009, 03:43 PM

Sounds like lots of good ideas. Better get ahold of me and put them to good use! Plus, then I can finish the '81. Maybe even for SDAC. :)

1984rampage

01-29-2009, 05:01 PM

Plus, then I can finish the '81. Maybe even for SDAC. :)

More info on the 81? What is it?

Reeves

01-29-2009, 05:06 PM

3.55" bore 2.5L!! No replacement for displacement!

162 cubes or 2.65 litres ftw!
....and I'm stuck with a tiny 156 cubes or 2.55L :(
:lol:

Oooh...oooh....then offset grind the crank some too to get more than 4.09" stroke!

Yeap....need another napkin.....

8valves

01-30-2009, 08:01 AM

More info on the 81? What is it?

Whoops. :o

Uncompress the motor from Aaron down to 10.5 to 1 or so, add the nitrous plate FTW!!! I think I need a napkin! :thumb:

$50 says it would be WAY more fun at 13.6:1 with a shot on it. :D The spec list for the motor says it should be ran on C12, with a max of 3 psi fuel pressure (ha!) and you need to leave the ignition off to start the initial cranking so it can spin the motor easier, then light it off with the ignition.

THAT, my friends, is cool. :thumb:

BIGBRUDDA

01-30-2009, 08:11 AM

4BBL ,manual secondaries. A Smog carb used on 318s. I gots jets and meter rods. Check out my "pts fur sale" page fur pics.

1984rampage

01-30-2009, 09:23 AM

Whoops. :o

Haha come on you cant do that!... Is it running around town?

Reeves

01-30-2009, 09:55 AM

Whoops. :o

$50 says it would be WAY more fun at 13.6:1 with a shot on it. :D The spec list for the motor says it should be ran on C12, with a max of 3 psi fuel pressure (ha!) and you need to leave the ignition off to start the initial cranking so it can spin the motor easier, then light it off with the ignition.

THAT, my friends, is cool. :thumb:

Sounds like a high compression Harley! LOL! Surprised it doesn't have de-compressor valves!

8valves

01-30-2009, 12:55 PM

Haha come on you cant do that!... Is it running around town?

Oh, I can, and I will! No. I cruise town in the Papa Smurf, aka, the Tona. Or the truck. Or the Stratus.

Sounds like a high compression Harley! LOL! Surprised it doesn't have de-compressor valves!

The motor supposedly idles similar to one too according to the previous owner! :D

Are you going to send me the deposit for it yet? Someone should. It's a shame for it to go unused.

BF/STOCKER SPIRIT

01-31-2009, 08:10 PM

YOU GUYS,ARE AWESOME!THERE ARE CARB MODIFIERS,THAT CAN MAKE
A HOLLEY 2BRL,FLOW OVER 800CMF, A.T SOUNDS CORRECT TOMMY
MAYBE SOME GAIN. BUT RPM BY THE SIZE OF THE MOTOR CALLS FOR
A CFM EFFIECANCY,AND I CAN'T SEE 153 CUBES,NEEDING A 350,OR A 500
UNLESS YOU TURNING, THE 2.5 10,000 GRnd