Fiberide "look-a-like" project. Pics included.

[1FastCSX289]

OK, so it was suggested by CoolV300C, to use a particular sunbird rim for a fiberide look-a-like......something to cruise around on while not having to worry about failure.

I picked up a set at the local yard for 160 bucks. Theyre pretty close and painted gold, I think they would look good. However, they are going to require work and im not sure I want to undertake the project. I need to think about it, so give me your opinions.

The bolt pattern matches. Good. However, the wheel hits the caliper. I think it could be shimmed. Can you buy spacers somewhere? THe other issue is that the hub is a little too small.....maybe 1/16". I think I could turn them down on the lathe. Im just not sure if all the work would be worth it by the time I get done finding spacers, turning each rim on the lathe, and refinishing them in gold.

What do you think?

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6791&stc=1&d=1199818447

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6792&stc=1&d=1199818447

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6793&stc=1&d=1199818447

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6794&stc=1&d=1199818447

[88_pacifica]

Whew... tough call. I like that idea ALOT, but that might be ALOT of work too. I would maybe see if they were offered in other sizes before you dig in and get to far along AND also look at maybe other brands, makes, mfgrs, before I go to that much trouble. It could be like crabs and pumpers, maybe there is more than one offered size....

[BadAssPerformance]

those might work ;)

[slasky]

Just use the spacers to space them out and just grind out the hub. They are lug centric anyway so the hub hole does not have to be true.

[Turbodave]

Might be able to find a good spacer that solves all your problems.

[slasky]

I think I may have some spacers at home. I will let you know.

[1FastCSX289]

I think I may have some spacers at home. I will let you know.

Yea, let me know. So, you dont think that hub has to be true? Do you think they look close enough to the fiberides?

[Clay]

you can buy some think like 1/8" aluminum spacers that will work ok. As for the hub, if your careful you can open it up and make it work with just the lugs. Personally, I would make them work as hub-centric if you can open up the hole and make it work. Our rims are suppose to be hub-centric.

that said, I would go for it! I think those would work perfect as street rims and be close enough to get the look with out working about ruining a set of good fiberides!

[1FastCSX289]

you can buy some think like 1/8" aluminum spacers that will work ok.


If slasky doesnt have them, where do you think I can buy them?

[ShelGame]

Don't forget the "Shelby" stickers to cover up the "Pontiac" cast into the wheels...

[jamesmonty]

Do it! Those look close enough that most people would have to look real hard to tell. Spacer, paint and a shelby sticker and your golden! (pun intended)

[1FastCSX289]

Don't forget the "Shelby" stickers to cover up the "Pontiac" cast into the wheels...

Im gonna fill the "Pontiac" in with weld, grind it and paint it......you'll never know it was there.:thumb:

That would be cool to find some shelby lettering to put on them though.

[Turbodave]

Im gonna fill the "Pontiac" in with weld, grind it and paint it......you'll never know it was there.:thumb:

That would be cool to find some shelby lettering to put on them though.

Get a good digital picture of the text on your fibrides with a ruler next to it for reference. Talk to one of the guys here that does decals like Dave Lucidi, or Kurt (Devlish), and I'm pretty sure they could make up a decal in dark gold that would make them nice enough to confuse people from 10' away.

[1FastCSX289]

Get a good digital picture of the text on your fibrides with a ruler next to it for reference. Talk to one of the guys here that does decals like Dave Lucidi, or Kurt (Devlish), and I'm pretty sure they could make up a decal in dark gold that would make them nice enough to confuse people from 10' away.

Good idea.

[overlordsshadow]

Do it. They will look great.

[t3rse]

the only time not having it hub centric will matter is when you are having them balanced

fill the pontiac with bondo...no need to put a hell of a lot of time into this.

you can get spacers just about anywhere, tirerack, etc

go for it!

however, if you are going to put a lot of effort in, get them widened and make them race wheels with some nasty DRs, then get two more for slicks.

[GLHS592]

I'm not a fan of the fiberides, so I really don't like them. I'd just save the 'rides for show and paint a set of 16" pumpers gold. 16" wheels look great on P-bodies.

[Turbodave]

16" wheels look great on P-bodies.

Yep, see my sig pic...

[rich tideswell]

OK, so it was suggested by CoolV300C, to use a particular sunbird rim for a fiberide look-a-like......something to cruise around on while not having to worry about failure.

I picked up a set at the local yard for 160 bucks. Theyre pretty close and painted gold, I think they would look good. However, they are going to require work and im not sure I want to undertake the project. I need to think about it, so give me your opinions.

The bolt pattern matches. Good. However, the wheel hits the caliper. I think it could be shimmed. Can you buy spacers somewhere? THe other issue is that the hub is a little too small.....maybe 1/16". I think I could turn them down on the lathe. Im just not sure if all the work would be worth it by the time I get done finding spacers, turning each rim on the lathe, and refinishing them in gold.

What do you think?

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6791&stc=1&d=1199818447

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6792&stc=1&d=1199818447

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6793&stc=1&d=1199818447

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6794&stc=1&d=1199818447

i think you should do it to it:thumb: it only looks like a slight rub and machining a few MM off the back side wont hurt anything. definatly bore the hub but not all the way through so you can use the pontiac center caps

[1FastCSX289]

the only time not having it hub centric will matter is when you are having them balanced

fill the pontiac with bondo...no need to put a hell of a lot of time into this.

you can get spacers just about anywhere, tirerack, etc

go for it!

however, if you are going to put a lot of effort in, get them widened and make them race wheels with some nasty DRs, then get two more for slicks.

Balancing......good point, but I can put the cone through the outside when I mount it up on the balancer. However, if the grinding was too uneven that would throw it out of whack.....but being so close to the center, it would REALLY have to be out.

Big DR's would be nice......we'll see about that.:evil:

[CoolV300C]

You move fast. I didn't think those wheels would be so easily found at the junk yard. In gold, it would really help you keep it looking like a CSX, and it would be a lot safer too. The next step is matching the gold. There was a post here a wile ago about someone looking for find the paint code to match the fiberide gold (DC Turismo?), and I don't think it ever got answered. Since you have one though, maybe a paint shop can match it for you.

I'd love to see your progress. Sounds like you've got it figured out.

[1FastCSX289]

You move fast. I didn't think those wheels would be so easily found at the junk yard. In gold, it would really help you keep it looking like a CSX, and it would be a lot safer too. The next step is matching the gold. There was a post here a wile ago about someone looking for find the paint code to match the fiberide gold (DC Turismo?), and I don't think it ever got answered. Since you have one though, maybe a paint shop can match it for you.

I'd love to see your progress. Sounds like you've got it figured out.

My fiberides are a bit faded, I think. I will do some posting around. Ive got a little ways to go......I want to get the spacers, do the machining, prep, etc. In the mean time, I will be asking around about paint.

Yea.....there is a local GM specialist yard with THOUSANDS of GM rims.....anything you want. They had probably 15 in stock.

[Clay]

If you can find a good fiberide, you can take it to any decent paint shop and have them match it. Any paint place worth its salt will have a color matching gun that can use to scan the color and come up with a match. You just need to make sure what ever sample you use is the color you want, cause that is exactly what you will end up with.

[rare_ram]

When I first got my Rampage I put a set of Escort wheels on that had a smaller hub.I enlarged it using a drill and file bit and had no problem with balancing. One problem that came up after this was that the center cap wouldn't go on the rear rims since they hit the dust cap.

[Anonymous_User]

I love it!!! Great find!! I've done all sorts of crazy things to rims to make them fit including enlarging the BOLT PATTERN with a HAND file. Took my time and it worked just fine. Drove that car across the country several times without a problem.

Now, tell us exactly what vehicle this came off of??

[raccoon]

what year and model are these found on? wouldn't it be less work to grind the caliper a bit?

[zin]

I really like the idea, but as was suggested earlier, I'd want to see if there was a larger version, might solve most of your issues. I'll also put a vote in favor of a good bondo job to fill in the Pontiac, I'm not a big fan of heating up aluminum wheels, it only takes about 350*F+ to anneal it. Are they both 15" wheels? The Pontiac seems a bit smaller, but that's probably an optical illusion. Either way, they'll look -----'n when you're done.

[1FastCSX289]

what year and model are these found on? wouldn't it be less work to grind the caliper a bit?

Well, I told the yard I wanted 15" aluminum wheels for a 92 Sunbird. I think the tag says 91-94 Sunbird on it.

I might try grinding the caliper a bit. I tried to fit them on my Shelby Charger as my CSX is put away and I was driving the S/C. I would think that the fit would be the same on the CSX.

[CoolV300C]

I really like the idea, but as was suggested earlier, I'd want to see if there was a larger version, might solve most of your issues. I'll also put a vote in favor of a good bondo job to fill in the Pontiac, I'm not a big fan of heating up aluminum wheels, it only takes about 350*F+ to anneal it. Are they both 15" wheels? The Pontiac seems a bit smaller, but that's probably an optical illusion. Either way, they'll look -----'n when you're done.

Bondo would be easy, but give some thought to how hot the wheel gets when driving. Not sure if the bondo will hold up to the metal getting hot and expanding or not.

[quantum]

Bondo would be easy, but give some thought to how hot the wheel gets when driving. Not sure if the bondo will hold up to the metal getting hot and expanding or not.

How about JB weld stick? That would be pretty easy to use and smooth out before it hardens and then it should take what ever the aluminum can.

[rich tideswell]

Well, I told the yard I wanted 15" aluminum wheels for a 92 Sunbird. I think the tag says 91-94 Sunbird on it.

I might try grinding the caliper a bit. I tried to fit them on my Shelby Charger as my CSX is put away and I was driving the S/C. I would think that the fit would be the same on the CSX.

different brakes between l body and p body. i'd try on the csx just to be sure before before modifying parts

[1FastCSX289]

How about JB weld stick? That would be pretty easy to use and smooth out before it hardens and then it should take what ever the aluminum can.

This is the exact thought that I had. I think I will used either liquid steel or JB. Goes on easy, resistant to the heat, and sands down nice and smooth.


different brakes between l body and p body. i'd try on the csx just to be sure before before modifying parts

Good idea.

[STEVE B]

(fill the pontiac with bondo...no need to put a hell of a lot of time into this.)

This a good idea but I think JB weld will stick better to the alum. than the bondo would.

[t3rse]

well it was the thought that counted! :mad:

hehe...

i had to do a hair of grinding on my calipers to fit the race wheels, took a whopping 5 minutes and i didn't take off much.

[1FastCSX289]

First I gotta sell the AR's so I can afford this project. CHeck out my for sale thread!

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21402

[88_pacifica]

First I gotta sell the AR's so I can afford this project. CHeck out my for sale thread!

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21402

not sure I'd do that yet Sean, in case this doesn't work... :confused:

[1FastCSX289]

not sure I'd do that yet Sean, in case this doesn't work... :confused:

Why wouldnt it work? I figured out the jig for the mill so that I can cut the hub out and have it perfectly centered. Im gonna try the fit on the CSX and see how they do against the caliper and if all is good there, I should be good to go.

If not, ive got a spare set of pizzas to roll with for a little while.

[Frank]

I wonder if bucar's friend would be able to powder coat them the right color... another consideration.

[denviola]

If you have any "old-timer" garages around you, check to see if they spin balance wheels on the car. Will not have to worry about center location with that. An eternity ago, the dealer I worked for had old spin balancers that rotated the wheel on the car, we just jacked up the car, attached a fixture and spun the electric motor against the tire. This was a common practice back in the day, spun the wheels at highway speeds and accounted for the balance of the brake drums, hubs and all. Just adjusted the counter weights on the fixture when it was spinning, and then the fixture pointed to the weight location and indicated how much. Those big Chryslers ran smooth down the road. Wish I would have snagged that gear when the dealer closed up.
Denny

[DC Turismo]

What model Pontiac did these rims come equipped on? I saw these rims on single pics online, but never side by side the fiberides. I really like them though Sean and think you should follow through with it. If I see any at a jyard I'll be picking them up and do what t3rse said and probably have them widened to 6.5" or even 7" just for a wider appearance.

Question though, what gold paint code are you using? Do you have the paint code for the fiberides? And also, are you sure a decal is a good idea on rims? If I do a set up, I would just take a pic. of the SHELBY font on the fiberides and have it airbrushed on since decals might peel under the heat?

[TopDollar69]

They came on Sunbirds. 15 by 6.

[rare_ram]

The Shelby Lemans wheels had a decal, Positive Impressions makes a repo.

[rich tideswell]

And also, are you sure a decal is a good idea on rims? If I do a set up, I would just take a pic. of the SHELBY font on the fiberides and have it airbrushed on since decals might peel under the heat?

exactly, paint one spoke black, apply "shelby" lettering decal, paint rim gold, remove decal, and clear the whole wheel. the technique is called "mask'n'paint".

ofcourse, allow proper cure times between coats.....

[1FastCSX289]

exactly, paint one spoke black, apply "shelby" lettering decal, paint rim gold, remove decal, and clear the whole wheel. the technique is called "mask'n'paint".

ofcourse, allow proper cure times between coats.....

Not a bad idea......

I like this thread. Sounds like i gotta try it no matter what.

Billy......92 Sunbird 15X6.

Im not so worried about the balance. I think I got a nice set up for the mill that will bore it out perfect. Even if its off by a little, the centering cone for the balancer goes against the outside hub, which wont be touched. I will be balancing them myself in house to know that its done correctly.

[t3rse]

someone mentioned powdercoating...the problem there is that there are only a limited number of colors available

Sean: you have to go for it. Be the first with clone wheels running balls out! It's a shame those FRs didn't arrive in decent shape...but that's old news.

[1FastCSX289]

Well, I drove the CSX over to school today (45* and sunny out :thumb:). I mounted a rim and ground the caliper. I still need a .300" spacer. Im thinking thats bad. :mad:

What the largest spacer I could safely run? Anyone know? I could probably get longer studs, no? Im thinking that if the wheel is not hub-centric, than I could space it out, as long as I have enough stud to bite on. Anyone?

[jeremyshelby]

go buy some .25" steel or aluminum plate and then cut it in a circle using a jig on a bandsaw....then use a mill to drill out your bolt pattern and center hole (you could also do it with wood if you just wanted to see if you need longer studs). Put it on the car and see if you need longer studs.....i would think you might not but i could be wrong.....i imagine if it was like .50" you would need longer studs.

[1FastCSX289]

go buy some .25" steel or aluminum plate and then cut it in a circle using a jig on a bandsaw....then use a mill to drill out your bolt pattern and center hole (you could also do it with wood if you just wanted to see if you need longer studs). Put it on the car and see if you need longer studs.....i would think you might not but i could be wrong.....i imagine if it was like .50" you would need longer studs.

Well, I already used washers to space the wheel out the .300" (thats how I know I need a .300" spacer). The wheel bolts on fine. I think ive got about a 1/2" of stud to thread the lug onto. I just dont know if thats enough or not.

[rich tideswell]

get longer studs if you're going to run spacers that thick...... or is there any way you could machine the back side of the wheel alittle bit?

[1FastCSX289]

or is there any way you could machine the back side of the wheel alittle bit?


I think that would put me back where I started.

[1FastCSX289]

I mounted a wheel and tire on the car using washers as spacers just to see how it would look/work. I drove it up the street at about 20mph and had no issues. I think all I need is a spacer and longer studs for the front. The back is a direct bolt on. I dont think I even have to machine the hub anymore.\\

I will note that mounting 225 50 15's on these rims is a real biotch. Took me a while of wrestling just to get the one mouted up.

Heres some pics.

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6827&stc=1&d=1199985315

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6822&stc=1&d=1199985315

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6823&stc=1&d=1199985315

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6824&stc=1&d=1199985315

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6825&stc=1&d=1199985315

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[Turbodave]

Wasn't there someone here who picked up some lug nuts that are designed to give more thread contact in this type of situation. They had a nose that went further inside the lug hole. Can't remember what thread I saw it in.

[1FastCSX289]

Wasn't there someone here who picked up some lug nuts that are designed to give more thread contact in this type of situation. They had a nose that went further inside the lug hole. Can't remember what thread I saw it in.

That would be cool.

[TopDollar69]

Couldn't you cut down an old rotor to make a spacer?

[Turbodave]

Here's what I was talking about: http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/showpost.php?p=213223&postcount=9

[1FastCSX289]

Couldn't you cut down an old rotor to make a spacer?


Here's what I was talking about: http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/showpost.php?p=213223&postcount=9

You guys ROCK!

[jeremyshelby]

so Sean you have done all of this at school today do you actually teach any classes or just work on your car...hehehehe just busting on ya.

[1FastCSX289]

so Sean you have done all of this at school today do you actually teach any classes or just work on your car...hehehehe just busting on ya.

Thats the beauty of teaching auto tech........

"Hey kids.......ive got a little project.......mount these wheels up....."

Im cutting the spacers as we speak!;)

[2.2turboscotty]

some of the newer Ford vans and trucks have to be balanced on the vehical too, there are places around that will do that around here and they say it's a better balance.

[88_pacifica]

...Im HAVING the spacers cut by kids as we speak!;)

fixed it for you... ;) :thumb:

[quantum]

Has his own little sweat shop going. Maybe you should buy a bunch of swril heads and have the kids port them for a "final project" ;)

[1FastCSX289]

fixed it for you... ;) :thumb:

I couldnt find it in the instuctions for the brake lathe where is says how to cut COMPLETELY THROUGH the hub.....I figured that might not be the safest thing for kids that can barely resurface a rotor. Its funny.....there is no "Custom Wheel Spacers" section.:lol:

Is it bad when the brake lathe is smoking and shaking violently?:D;)

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6830&stc=1&d=1199995385

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6831&stc=1&d=1199995385

[Turbodave]

You read my mind, I was thinking just stick it on the brake lathe for a few hours..lol..

[slasky]

Now you know why we call him "the Butcher."

[jeremyshelby]

so how thick is that spacer????

[1FastCSX289]

Now you know why we call him "the Butcher."

I got the job done.......and it looks purty......:lol:


so how thick is that spacer????

Its around .287" or so.....

It thick enough to work.....actually its about PERFECT. Who's idea was that? TopDollar69 gets the prize of the day!

[contraption22]

the only time not having it hub centric will matter is when you are having them balanced.

Won't really matter at all when they are being balanced.


fill the pontiac with bondo...no need to put a hell of a lot of time into this.

Welding is a much better idea. I would imagine the aluminum would expand and contract at a much different rate than the polyester and it would eventually look bad.

[/QUOTE]

What is the ID of the hub of these wheels?
Check out www.ichibausa.com for hubcentric spacers. Order them for 5x100 VW, they have the same hub diameter as our cars.

[1FastCSX289]

Won't really matter at all when they are being balanced.


Welding is a much better idea. I would imagine the aluminum would expand and contract at a much different rate than the polyester and it would eventually look bad.



What is the ID of the hub of these wheels?
Check out www.ichibausa.com for hubcentric spacers. Order them for 5x100 VW, they have the same hub diameter as our cars.[/QUOTE]

Im either gonna use some of that alumalloy weld stuff or JB weld. And your link doesnt work.

[contraption22]

What is the ID of the hub of these wheels?
Check out www.ichibausa.com for hubcentric spacers. Order them for 5x100 VW, they have the same hub diameter as our cars.

Im either gonna use some of that alumalloy weld stuff or JB weld. And your link doesnt work.[/QUOTE]

Alumalloy works well. That would me my choice of those two options.

As for the Shelby logo, as somebody had mentioned before, contact Dave Lucidi and have him make you some decals. He made some "SRT" decals for my SRT-4 that I placed on my wheels. That was 4 years ago. They have seen rain, sun, hit with wheel cleaner every week during the nice-weather months. They still look as great as the day I put them on, and you cannot tell they are decals until you are right on top of them.

And I fixed the link....I would definitely use these spacers pver cut out brake rotors. One... they are hubcentric. Two, they are lighter.

[1FastCSX289]

Do you think I should clear coat over the decals?

[Frank]

I think that would look good.

[rbryant]

I will note that mounting 225 50 15's on these rims is a real biotch. Took me a while of wrestling just to get the one mouted up.



Most tire/wheel guys say not to mount that sized tire on a 6" wide rim...
Some even say that a 205/50/15 is too wide...

Daytonas came with a 225x60 which gives more sidewall room and is ok on a 6" wide rim.

-Rich

[Aries_Turbo]

I wonder if bucar's friend would be able to powder coat them the right color... another consideration.

prolly more than he wants to spend. :)

Brian

[Clay]

Daytonas came with a 225x60 which gives more sidewall room and is ok on a 6" wide rim.

pretty sure they were 50 series, but they were on a 6.5" rim.

[1FastCSX289]

Most tire/wheel guys say not to mount that sized tire on a 6" wide rim...
Some even say that a 205/50/15 is too wide...

Daytonas came with a 225x60 which gives more sidewall room and is ok on a 6" wide rim.

-Rich

Yea, i might run 205's as they have some bulge to the sidewall.....we'll see. Im not concerned......I just dont know if I like the look. I may put my 225's on my charger with the pizzas.

[1FastCSX289]

And I fixed the link....I would definitely use these spacers pver cut out brake rotors. One... they are hubcentric. Two, they are lighter.


I looked the spacers up.

http://www.ichibausa.com/8mmalwhsp1.html

I dont see how they are any different than the rotor hub other than the fact that they are aluminum (lighter). Why are those better than the rotor spacer? The rotor also centers itself on the hub and is a nice fit. And its free.

Not trying to be argumentative, I am just wondering what youre rationale is.

[CoolV300C]

I didn't see a comment on how the car looked in the pics you posted, so l'll toss out my opinion that it looks pretty sharp. Spray them gold, and most TD'ers would probably not notice the difference at first glance. Nice work!

[contraption22]

Do you think I should clear coat over the decals?

Nope. If anything happened to the decals, you could easily remove and replace.

[contraption22]

I looked the spacers up.

http://www.ichibausa.com/8mmalwhsp1.html

I dont see how they are any different than the rotor hub other than the fact that they are aluminum (lighter). Why are those better than the rotor spacer? The rotor also centers itself on the hub and is a nice fit. And its free.

Not trying to be argumentative, I am just wondering what youre rationale is.

The Ichiba spacers centers itself on the hub AND extends to center the wheel on the hub as well.

[Aries_Turbo]

The Ichiba spacers centers itself on the hub AND extends to center the wheel on the hub as well.

only the 10mm+ ones do as far as the pic shows. doesnt look like the 8mm ones do.

Brian

[envyyourethics]

http://turboparts.itgo.com/photo_6.html



3.5-P4349052 Rare MP Wheel studs total of 14 studs $30 for all shipped to USA





There ya go...

[Orangetona]

I couldnt find it in the instuctions for the brake lathe where is says how to cut COMPLETELY THROUGH the hub.....I figured that might not be the safest thing for kids that can barely resurface a rotor. Its funny.....there is no "Custom Wheel Spacers" section.:lol:

Is it bad when the brake lathe is smoking and shaking violently?:D;)

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6830&stc=1&d=1199995385

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6831&stc=1&d=1199995385

Wow lol I never thought of that. I could do that here at work. :D

Did you do it all on a single bit though?

[1FastCSX289]

Did you do it all on a single bit though?

No use in mangling more than one. Actually, the second one went MUCH smoother. I came in from the edge of the hub and just kept taking a layer of .005" or so off for about 1/4" in.....kept shaving and shaving. Took about 10 minutes to cut through.

[Orangetona]

Thats pretty cool hah.

[t3rse]

Won't really matter at all when they are being balanced.


it most definately will if they are balanced using the hub hole.

[1FastCSX289]

it most definately will if they are balanced using the hub hole.

Youre right. If the cone was used on the inside to center the rim. I usually position the cone from the outside, facing in, when I balance an aluminum rim like that though. Either way, looks like the hubs are fine.....so no worries.

[rich tideswell]

http://turboparts.itgo.com/photo_6.html



3.5-P4349052 Rare MP Wheel studs total of 14 studs $30 for all shipped to USA





There ya go...

http://www.mopar.com/m_perf_subcat2Check.jsp?SubSubSubGrpID=51695&dummy5=1200100304931

[TurboRampage]

Couple ideas. First, why don't you make the spacer out of polycarbonate? Just use the brake rotor as a pattern. I realize that you smoked a bit already, but it will be much lighter and it won't fluctuate with heat like the steel spacer will. Second, I would use epoxy putty to fill the Pontiac lettering. I holds up to pretty intense heat/cold changes, it's very workable, and it's like $6 at Lowes. Third, I would take a pretty high quality digital pic of the fiber ride. Enlarge it, and print it out on some bumper sticker paper stock from Staples. Paint that portion of the spoke black...someone else mentioned this too. Lay the decal on and the paint the whole thing gold. Remove the sticker and bang...just like on Rides.

[1FastCSX289]

Couple ideas. First, why don't you make the spacer out of polycarbonate? Just use the brake rotor as a pattern. I realize that you smoked a bit already, but it will be much lighter and it won't fluctuate with heat like the steel spacer will. Second, I would use epoxy putty to fill the Pontiac lettering. I holds up to pretty intense heat/cold changes, it's very workable, and it's like $6 at Lowes. Third, I would take a pretty high quality digital pic of the fiber ride. Enlarge it, and print it out on some bumper sticker paper stock from Staples. Paint that portion of the spoke black...someone else mentioned this too. Lay the decal on and the paint the whole thing gold. Remove the sticker and bang...just like on Rides.

Good ideas. Thanks. I will probably do the epoxy putty and the decal idea. Maybe you can give me hand with the decal? Polycarbonate? Thats kinda fancy for me.

Edit. A little update on this project......IT IS still on. I have 3 out of the 4 rims sandblasted and thats as far as ive got with my busy schedule......and I didnt even do the blasting. I had my students do it. So, its going slow, but I will have them done for spring.

[t3rse]

i think he meant phenolic...

[slasky]

i think he meant phenolic...

I hope so.

[badandy]

Pardon my ignorance but why all the trouble with machining heavy spacers out of brake rotors? I know aluminum spacers are available for our cars.

[TopDollar69]

Because they were FREE!

[csxtra]

Good ideas. Thanks. I will probably do the epoxy putty and the decal idea.

What, like JB Weld? :bounce:

[1FastCSX289]

What, like JB Weld? :bounce:

Uh......yea. Of course.:eyebrows:


Because they were FREE!

Exactly.

[cordes]

the only time not having it hub centric will matter is when you are having them balanced


We used to front cone everything, so that would not make a difference anyway.

[turbodaytona87]

I wouldn't consider powder-coating aluminum wheels, they have a tendency to crack and lose strength

[zin]

I wouldn't consider powder-coating aluminum wheels, they have a tendency to crack and lose strength

That's true if the powder coater doesn't know to keep the temp below 350* as it changes/removes the temper. There are however "low temp" powder paints, same as are used on nitrous bottles, lots of colors too! Just be sure that whoever does it is familiar with the (potential) problem. Don't want your wheels becoming doughy!

Mike

[Lotashelbys]

I wouldn't consider powder-coating aluminum wheels, they have a tendency to crack and lose strength

Thats kinda scary,ever seen any ever come apart? I have done three sets now and put at least 10K on them. Was actually going to do another set of Pumpers tomorrow......

[1FastCSX289]

OK, so I started painting these fiberide look a likes. I couldnt find a paint code anywhere for the originals........and my fiberides are faded quite a bit, so it was a bit of a guessing game when I went to buy paint. I tried to match up a color the best I could based on my wheels and pictures ive seen of nice looking wheels. I painted one up just to check out the color. Im going to repaint it.......this is what ive got. Ive got some "Shelby" decals im going to pick up in a few minutes that im going to use to mask the logo onto the rims in the same fashion as the original letters were stamped.

Two questions.......what do you think of the color? And.......should I clear coat them? I put hardener in the base coat thinking the clear might make the wheels look too shiny. So, if I decide not to clear, I think the paint will still adhere correctly.

http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg123/AustrianOakJr/fiberidesrep2.jpg

http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg123/AustrianOakJr/fiberidesrep3.jpg

http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg123/AustrianOakJr/fiberidesrep1.jpg

[MiniMopar]

They look good. The color might be a bit too brown. Maybe you can talk to Dave Salamone at Positive Impressions. He makes reproduction decals and might be able to give you a clue about the color used on those.

[bfarroo]

I'd clear them just for the added protection of the paint.

[overlordsshadow]

They look like a nice job to me.

[MiniMopar]

Can't they be cleared with a satin finish?

[1FastCSX289]

Can't they be cleared with a satin finish?

Yea, I could probably get a flat clear......is it a big no-no to leave the clear off even if I put hardener in the base?


The color might be a bit too brown.

|I was thinking the same thing......I dont know.....next to my original, its WAY different, but heres Chris Gangl's wheel (really clean car) next to mine.....looks pretty damn close.

http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg123/AustrianOakJr/ganglswheel.jpg

http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg123/AustrianOakJr/fiberidesrep1.jpg

[zin]

|I was thinking the same thing......I dont know.....next to my original, its WAY different, but heres Chris Gangl's wheel (really clean car) next to mine.....looks pretty damn close.

It's going to be hard to tell from a picture, eveyone's monitors display a bit different. I think it looks pretty damn good!! I think the original may be faded, but I've never seen an NOS wheel, so... Personally, unless I'm trying for concourse correct, I wouldn't sweat it, and since it is fairly obviously they are not original, just enjoy them and the complements you'll be getting!

Mike

[slasky]

Here is one I took at SDAC 17. I think yours are really faded and the one you painted looks good.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1101/623449301_48b9a6a8d4.jpg?v=0

[1FastCSX289]

Yup. I think im gonna leave them this color. For one, they arent really Fiberides.....just meant to give the appearance of Fiberides....for two, I dont think anyone would notice any difference (if there was) unless it was parked next to another (and that happens every day)......and three, I already spent 20 bucks on the paint....so that clenches it!

Ill post more pics of the finished wheels installed on the car later this week.

[CoolV300C]

Looks very good. I bought a set of fiberides that were in very good condition last year, and i was surprised how dark they were. I think your color is pretty close. This will look great on your car. Can't wait to see them on! nice work!

[MiniMopar]

Yeah they look a lot closer to the one slasky posted.

[Captain Chaos]

I like them as they are. I'm going to find some just to do it and have them, just in case. lol.

[Xtrempickup]

not bad for a pontiac wheel

[omni_840]

Wow those look nice

[slasky]

They are finished
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3218/2424625193_21a17a2409.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3146/2425438124_7fbf179645.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2373/2424625021_6486e7ed7f.jpg

[TopDollar69]

They look great on the car!

[Xtrempickup]

i wouldnt know if i wasnt told from the picture

[CoolV300C]

First, is 1fast happy with them? They look great to me.

Second, now we need a quick summary of how-to do this project (spacers, filling in the pontiac logo, paint code......), I bet someone else will want to duplicate it.

[Clay]

yes! KC article please! ;)

[moparfwdsleeper]

id add spacers to the rear, looks alittle to far in. maybe its my monitor though... They look great btw:thumb:

[zin]

id add spacers to the rear, looks alittle to far in. maybe its my monitor though... They look great btw:thumb:

Might just be the angle of the wheels/sunlight, I'd be curious as to how it looks from behind. I suppose you could just do a measurement of the front and rear track widths to be sure.

[Reaper1]

Looks REALLY good! :thumb: :thumb:

[cordes]

I think that they look great also. The pic does make them look like they are set pretty far into the rear wheel wells though.

[boost geek]

Those look good, nice job!:thumb:

[DC Turismo]

Here is one I took at SDAC 17. I think yours are really faded and the one you painted looks good.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1101/623449301_48b9a6a8d4.jpg?v=0


Hey! I took that pic :lol: :lol:


Anyways Sean, they came out really nice. But how bout some close up straight on shots of the rims? :clap: I'm really interested to see the Shelby decal on them. How did it go filling in the Pontiac indentations?

[slasky]

Hey! I took that pic :lol: :lol:


It is definitely one of the ones I took. I uploaded all of my pics here:

http://flickr.com/photos/32981387@N00/sets/72157600484754486/

[DC Turismo]

It is definitely one of the ones I took. I uploaded all of my pics here:

http://flickr.com/photos/32981387@N00/sets/72157600484754486/

Maybe I saved it from your site after all then?? I got the same pic in the folder of pics I took as well. Talk about a pimp pic. though huh?

[slasky]

Maybe I saved it from your site after all then?? I got the same pic in the folder of pics I took as well. Talk about a pimp pic. though huh?
I borrowed the d80 digital slr from work for last year's pics. I plan on bringing it again for this year.

[1FastCSX289]

Anyways Sean, they came out really nice. But how bout some close up straight on shots of the rims? :clap: I'm really interested to see the Shelby decal on them. How did it go filling in the Pontiac indentations?


Thanks for thec comments guys! Im pretty happy with them. Ive got a couple hundred bucks into them all said and done, which is a fraction of the cost of the real deal, and I can feel confident riding around on them.

The whole project went pretty good....the paint isnt flawless by any means but they look pretty good for wheels. I filled the Pontiac with JB weld......came out OK, although in certain light you can still see the outline....no biggie. If I had to do it again, I would probably just use the Shelby decal rather than trying to stencil it on the rim......although it gives an indented appearance the way I have it.....like the fiberides.



yes! KC article please! ;)

Yes, I will get on that. I owe Frank a KC article anyways and couldnt settle on anything to write about.....this will be a good addition, I think.

Anyways, heres a couple more requested pics in bad light (in my garage)......check them out.


http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg123/AustrianOakJr/shelbyrims002Medium.jpg

http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg123/AustrianOakJr/shelbyrims001Medium.jpg

[cordes]

Those are sweet. I might have to make up a pair of those for the omni some day.

[MiniMopar]

Nicely done. They look really good.

[badandy]

That's sweet...and very resourceful:thumb: Great job!

[1FastCSX289]

^^^ Thanks guys. Im pretty happy with them. I got new lugs with a longer shank on them to compensate for the wheel spacers.......gotta get them on sometime this week.

[Aries_Turbo]

you gonna space the rear ones out a little?

Brian

[1FastCSX289]

you gonna space the rear ones out a little?

Brian

I dont think they look bad in person.....the pics make it look a bit funky......I dont know, I will take another look at them when I pull the car back out on Wednesday for the season's oil change.

[MiniMopar]

The 89 CSX suspension is setup sweet, so I wouldn't just put spacers on the back unless you want to go for a "spin"....

[Birddog]

I dont think they look bad in person.....


They look damn good..:thumb: I've never seen a set of real Fiberides in person and well....
Car show season is here, let's see what other people think.. People not in the know..

[1FastCSX289]

They look damn good..:thumb: I've never seen a set of real Fiberides in person and well....
Car show season is here, let's see what other people think.. People not in the know..

People not in the know would have no clue......most people not in the know think its a Shadow with a ricer gfx kit. I will be interested in what people at SDAC say.

[t3rse]

The rear wheels sit pretty far in the fender wells from the factory. I know it looks funny but that's just the way it is.

[quantum]

Here is a side shot with the stock Fiberides for comparison. I think the rims he has made are as close as possible, great job.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y252/quantum007/CSXPics002.jpg

[1FastCSX289]

Here is a side shot with the stock Fiberides for comparison. I think the rims he has made are as close as possible, great job.


http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2373/2424625021_6486e7ed7f.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y252/quantum007/CSXPics002.jpg


Side by side.....I should get a shot of my car complete from the same side.

[slasky]

I should get a shot of my car complete from the same side.

You should probably get a shot without that gazer in your trunk too.

[1FastCSX289]

You should probably get a shot without that gazer in your trunk too.

I should probably get a shot not taken by the biggest gazer!

[Aries_Turbo]

ill have to see it in person. when you guys planning on going to the track?

i might go tomorrow or friday.

Brian

[1FastCSX289]

ill have to see it in person. when you guys planning on going to the track?

i might go tomorrow or friday.

Brian


No can do. Wife is working tomorrow and Friday is the night before the final pictures for my body transformation contest ......so ive got to lie low and focus on my diet and preperation....got too much riding on the contest.

Next week im out of town.......I dont know when im going to be able to make it out......maybe 2nd week in May or so? I want to go soon....been a long time! Are you gonna run with the big dent?

[Aries_Turbo]

i probably will run with the big dent. it wont hurt anything and it will be even funnier. it also depends on when mark from roclife goes too. he is waiting on his 26" slicks. we'll see.

Brian

[1FastCSX289]

i probably will run with the big dent. it wont hurt anything and it will be even funnier. it also depends on when mark from roclife goes too. he is waiting on his 26" slicks. we'll see.

Brian

Keep me updated.....if it works out, great.