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5Leater
12-11-2007, 10:07 PM
Hello, new to turbo-mopar.com, i am looking to start a turbo dodge build up after my buddy 4cefedomni let me drive his...prolly do a omni like his cuz they are light weight..im really into minitrucks and my S10 is my baby but i need something stupid fast

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g238/ev442/IMGP3111.jpg

my new(to me) 91 s10

mcsvt
12-11-2007, 10:25 PM
:welcome:

minitrucks are nice :thumb:

4cefedomni
12-11-2007, 10:40 PM
Wicked Bro, it's about time you got on here! Read the FAQ it's a great source of info to get you started and www.thedodgegarage.com is another great site to learn about these cars

Clay
12-11-2007, 10:47 PM
welcome aboard!! Ive always been a truck person, was before I came here. I think you need to look into building a 2.2/2.5 turbo Dakota! :)

4cefedomni
12-11-2007, 11:03 PM
thats what i told him, with a toyota supra tranny and a 2.5 hybrid!

2.216VTurbo
12-12-2007, 12:14 AM
Sweet, I have a Mini Truck too, it's called a Rampage:D

WOP'R
12-12-2007, 12:56 AM
Buy My Shadow!

turbovanmanČ
12-12-2007, 01:39 AM
Welcome, :thumb:

Buy my Shadow, or the John Deer 5speed Minivan, ;)

5Leater
12-12-2007, 02:30 AM
welcome aboard!! Ive always been a truck person, was before I came here. I think you need to look into building a 2.2/2.5 turbo Dakota! :)

thought about - poor power to weight ratio...i can have don smokin me (that bad)

300hp(for example) in a 3300lb truck vs a 1900lb omni...hmmmm



Sweet, I have a Mini Truck too, it's called a Rampage:D

turbo? cool!

rampage...we wont discuss "what" it is



Welcome, :thumb:

Buy my...John Deer 5speed Minivan, ;)

i will have to pass. I heard its famous, im just not a "van guy", although seeing slicks on your is pretty sick, i'd love to see a camaro guy piss his pants

Clay
12-12-2007, 09:21 AM
Sweet, I have a Mini Truck too, it's called a Rampage:D

only dirty hippies call a rampage a truck

a 'trucklet' is about as close as you'll get me to calling it a rampage a truck. :p

2.2turboscotty
12-12-2007, 09:37 AM
i also have a trucklet, truck, or whatever you want to call it, it's an '83 Scamp. my son calls it a truck but i call it my yellow car. we argue about what it is but it's mine and i say CAR. a lot of people call it a Brat, but they are idiots, WELCOME ABOARD!

overlordsshadow
12-12-2007, 10:28 AM
Just get a boat and put a td engine on it. As long as you are costal that is.

Turbodave
12-12-2007, 11:30 AM
only dirty hippies call a rampage a truck

a 'trucklet' is about as close as you'll get me to calling it a rampage a truck. :p

dirty hippies and the Illinois DMV, that's why my Rampage gets a "Truck" license plate.

Welcome 5Leater :D

Clay
12-12-2007, 11:40 AM
hehehe I can put truck plates on my Jeep too....... still not a truck ;)

and I thought it was the IlliNOISE nazis? now you call em dirty hippies? ;)

5Leater
12-13-2007, 09:34 PM
what's an S body?

were they SBEC 2.5T 90-93?

looking to buy 1 donner car (91+) with a T1 and A568...

Turbodave
12-14-2007, 01:26 PM
what's an S body?

were they SBEC 2.5T 90-93?

looking to buy 1 donner car (91+) with a T1 and A568...

S body is a Caravan/Voyager

They were only turbo for 2 years - 89= SMEC, 90=SBEC both 2.5TI's

5Leater
12-14-2007, 02:05 PM
i thought thats what it was...looks like i'll be buying 2 donner cars...i definately want a 2.5 T1 SBEC and a A568 (i want this thing to be beefy)...are A568's hard to come by? says "in all intercooled models and some minivans from 90-93"...i didnt even know they had facotry intercooled models...

turbovanmanČ
12-14-2007, 02:07 PM
i thought thats what it was...looks like i'll be buying 2 donner cars...i definately want a 2.5 T1 SBEC and a A568 (i want this thing to be beefy)...are A568's hard to come by? says "in all intercooled models and some minivans from 90-93"...i didnt even know they had facotry intercooled models...

The vans weren't intercooled but some cars were, TII's, TIII's and TIV's.

The JD van has a 568, Whorse wouldn't mind selling it, ;)

WOP'R
12-14-2007, 02:35 PM
good luck finding an A568 that isnt gonna cost you an arm and a leg around these parts:nod:

Turbodave
12-14-2007, 03:09 PM
i thought thats what it was...looks like i'll be buying 2 donner cars...i definately want a 2.5 T1 SBEC and a A568 (i want this thing to be beefy)...are A568's hard to come by? says "in all intercooled models and some minivans from 90-93"...i didnt even know they had facotry intercooled models...


A568's are pretty difficult to find, but certainly not impossible.

The list at the bottom of this article breaks down which models had them.
http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/vbarticles.php?do=article&articleid=3

moparzrule
12-14-2007, 04:58 PM
523's are pretty strong, plenty strong for 300 WHP anyway and I've seen 350+ done on them.

turbovanmanČ
12-14-2007, 05:53 PM
good luck finding an A568 that isnt gonna cost you an arm and a leg around these parts:nod:

See post 18, ;)


523's are pretty strong, plenty strong for 300 WHP anyway and I've seen 350+ done on them.

Don't they need the moly plate installed? I need to memorize this stuff better, lol!

moparzrule
12-14-2007, 06:33 PM
Don't they need the moly plate installed? I need to memorize this stuff better, lol!


No thats the 520. 523 is the same as 568 except for the hardened gearset.

5Leater
12-14-2007, 08:57 PM
good luck finding an A568 that isnt gonna cost you an arm and a leg around these parts:nod:

that sucks



The JD van has a 568, Whorse wouldn't mind selling it, ;)

to buy that and rob it of its drivetrain...sacraligeous...

moparzrule
12-14-2007, 09:18 PM
How much power are you looking to make? The 523 can handle 350 WHP no problem and can be had in almost any junkyard for under $150 with the shifter and cables.

5Leater
12-14-2007, 09:21 PM
id love 300hp @ the wheels...but if i get there, i'll just want more...jsut read about jason breaking his 568...wtf?

4cefedomni
12-14-2007, 09:26 PM
he had a bad clutch disc that broke apart and put a hole in his bellhousing

4cefedomni
12-14-2007, 09:26 PM
just go slushbox like me:thumb:

5Leater
12-14-2007, 10:01 PM
just go slushbox like me:thumb:

F*** that!

maybe an A523 with have to do, if i cant get an A568...:confused:

moparzrule
12-14-2007, 11:11 PM
Haha, sweet- This board needed another hard core manual trans guy like me LOL :thumb:

A523's are plentiful, cheap, and can still take the abuse. In a light car like an omni with a 2.2 in it I wouldn't be surprised if the trans held 400 WHP because it doesn't have a whole lot of load on it. Not to mention, if this is mostly a street car 300 WHP is a kickass power level. You'll have plenty of traction issues, but you'll rip on the highway and pretty much anything from 3rd gear on up if you got decently sticky tires. Eatin mustangs for breakfast and camaro's for lunch, and no doubt even some vettes for supper. Just try not to race from a stop or pretty much anything below 50 MPH LOL :amen:

5Leater
12-15-2007, 12:19 AM
5 speed for the win - LOOK @ TD trap speeds!

what? dude drag racing!!! i think i'll buck up for the tranny and jsut find a SBEC 2.5 donner auto or not - don could use another core!!!

eat rustangs and s*** out Kumaro's (mullets)

4cefedomni
12-15-2007, 12:49 AM
i got 4 a413 cores already but another couldn't hurt:p we need to get you started on this, lets get you a donor motor so we can freshen it up and put it in an omni and go terrorize mission next summer!!!!!

turbovanmanČ
12-15-2007, 01:38 AM
to buy that and rob it of its drivetrain...sacraligeous...


Is half apart anyhow and Jason doesn't want to finish it. He'd be happy if you took some parts.

5Leater
12-15-2007, 03:07 AM
maybe i'll come by your shop in the new year (getting my level 2 autotech @ bcit right now...no income)

OBX a direct fit in 568's? or still need that spacer shim/washer?

moparzrule
12-15-2007, 08:13 AM
OBX is direct in the 520 and the 523, not the 555 or 568. I think.

5Leater
12-15-2007, 12:39 PM
been reading up on them, seems a few people say different things...ugh - cool vid though

http://videos.streetfire.net/search/spirit/1/2e9a080f-e9cf-4ef0-b3c2-eae9cbd7ce9b.htm

i think i will jsut go 523...cheap, easy to find, strong enough, and OBX drops in...

turbovanmanČ
12-15-2007, 03:20 PM
maybe i'll come by your shop in the new year (getting my level 2 autotech @ bcit right now...no income)

OBX a direct fit in 568's? or still need that spacer shim/washer?

Nope, you need to change the ring gear and mainshaft, the Quaife drops on though, ;)

Sure, your welcome anytime, I'll have to do a TM BBQ in the summer sometime, :amen:

moparman76_69
12-15-2007, 04:19 PM
thats what i told him, with a toyota supra tranny and a 2.5 hybrid!

hey thats my idea! oh well guess a TT 5.9 5 speed will do.

5Leater
12-15-2007, 06:12 PM
Nope, you need to change the ring gear and mainshaft, the Quaife drops on though, ;)

Sure, your welcome anytime, I'll have to do a TM BBQ in the summer sometime, :amen:

i think i'll OBX an A523 and see how it goes..an A568 and quaife($1000 damn) if decide to get crazy with the HP...BUT im dead set on a 5 speed...simon got any A523's for sale?

me and my minitruck buddies get together every few months and have a BBQ or party...

Turbo_Rampage
12-15-2007, 06:50 PM
only dirty hippies call a rampage a truck

a 'trucklet' is about as close as you'll get me to calling it a rampage a truck. :p


:lol:

I got pulled over once in my Rampage by a cop, because he wanted to know why there was truck plates on a car, :confused: ...he thought they were stolen plates.

turbovanmanČ
12-15-2007, 07:34 PM
i think i'll OBX an A523 and see how it goes..an A568 and quaife($1000 damn) if decide to get crazy with the HP...BUT im dead set on a 5 speed...simon got any A523's for sale?

me and my minitruck buddies get together every few months and have a BBQ or party...

I might, let me check my stash. I might have a good 555 also.

5Leater
12-15-2007, 10:36 PM
OBX direct bolt in for the A555's? i thought only A520/A523's (with the spacer/washer of course)

Turbo_Rampage
12-15-2007, 10:51 PM
OBX direct bolt in for the A555's? i thought only A520/A523's (with the spacer/washer of course)


You have to put in the A520 intermediate shaft and ring gear for the OBX to fit in the A555. Same goes for the A568. You need the A523 intermediate shaft and ring gear for the OBX to fit. The plus side of doing this for both the A555 and A568 is that you have more choices for the final drive, then just being stuck with the 3.85 gears. I'm running an A555 transmission in my Rampage and it's more then strong enough for the abuse i put it through... I will be getting a Quaife differential for it for next spring, because i would hate to have the diff pin shoot through the case, :) If your going with the A555 just make sure you get a moly plate for it then it will be bullet proof. Also the A555 has true Getrag gears in it.... i don't think it really matters though.


The Rampage is the lightest of all the L-bodies, so it's a good platform to start with for a street/strip car... truck.

2.216VTurbo
12-16-2007, 12:53 AM
OBX direct bolt in for the A555's? i thought only A520/A523's (with the spacer/washer of course)

Don't change you mind about the 523/OBX, it's the best set up IMO for shift quality and value. I'll be ditching the 568 in my Rampage for the 523/OBX set up when the new motor goes in:)

boost geek
12-16-2007, 01:16 AM
Pick a Part in Chilliwack had a 523, trannys go on sale sometimes for $79. I think they normally go for $90.
Get an OBX, they re awesome, tough too, Simon couldn't break one. yet...

Gonna have to make a good TM showing at Mission this year.:thumb:

5Leater
12-16-2007, 01:35 AM
friend of mine linked me to pick-a-part today...behold, trannys on sale! $79 (even $90 is a steal if i dont have to do much to pull it) as for the OBX don was telling me they have come down in price(still 4 times as much as i'd pay for the tranny itself HAHA) AND TU de-burr's them for you, swaps out some springs or something...and prolly have the spacer/washer i need...the A523 makes sense for a "for now" tranny...we'll see how bad i get bit by TD's...right now plan is to amass a TD drivetrain and finish my new (to me) 91 s10 for spring...i;d be surprised if i have a car running by end of next season :( sorry guys! but i love to come to the races...trying to get on don's case about missing this season...

4cefedomni
12-16-2007, 02:24 AM
I'm not entirely sure on this but i think the obx is a direct bolt on into a 523 no spacer required

boost geek
12-16-2007, 02:25 AM
I think the spacer is only needed for the automatic tranny.

turbovanmanČ
12-16-2007, 02:29 AM
I think the spacer is only needed for the automatic tranny.

That is correct, :nod:

Well I hope you guys show up, I am tired of holding the lone TM flag, :(

boost geek
12-16-2007, 02:44 AM
You were only there once last year, or not? I figured no use bustin my car if you aint there. This year I'm gonna try again.:nod:

4cefedomni
12-16-2007, 02:49 AM
i got something in the works for this season:D it involves an AM intake a TBI header a ported head and a t3/t4 turbo new front mount and piping

boost geek
12-16-2007, 02:52 AM
I really need a bigger turbo now.:o

4cefedomni
12-16-2007, 03:01 AM
lol i just bought the turbo for my hybrid motor i'm building too it's a garrett gt35 with a few tricks up its sleave:D right now i have a 60 trim t3 on my car that i have never even started the car with but when i bought my new manifolds i decided that turbo would be too small so i bought a new hybrid turbo

5Leater
12-16-2007, 03:13 AM
you got mroe $$ than time don - take a damn vacation, and get to work on that omnivor!


the spacer thing and auto's...duh sorry guys

read this thread and im more confused than ever - it gets "thick" on page 3

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10168&highlight=a523+a568

moparzrule
12-16-2007, 07:51 AM
Holy crap everybody repeats themselves in that thread like 200 times. Bottom line is, OBX is a direct drop in for an A523. I'll tell you this, watch out for the final drive ratio. In 90', it can come with a 3:85 or 3:50 gear ratio and had the ''small spline'' 18 tooth input shaft. 91-up were large spline 17 tooth (yes less teeth but larger shaft) and all had a 3:77 gear ratio. The *best* 523 to get is the 90' with the 3:50. But they are very rare. The 3:77 is fine too though, and much more plentiful. You just don't want the 3:85 for drag racing at all, unless you want no traction and horrible 4th gear top speed (the gear you are normally in at the end of the 1/4).
Just saying so you watch out for it. Also whatever year trans you get changes the clutch you need. 90-older is small spline while 91-newer is large spline. But the 523 didn't start until 90' so your chances or going small spline are pretty slim.
BTW, it doesn't matter if you find an A523 in a TBI car, same thing but watch the final drive!

5Leater
12-16-2007, 05:04 PM
are there tags on the tranny with codes for final drive ratios? or year? small/large shaft? (although i can count input splines) you get the idea...if so where can i find what codes mean?

moparzrule
12-16-2007, 05:29 PM
For the year you'd have to find that in the car somewhere or know the vin codes to look for. I forget what digit of the vin tells the year.
There's a tag on the trans that should say what it is, the build date, and the final drive. The car is usually covered in goop, so bring a rag to wipe it off. The tag for a 523 should be on the top of the bell housing near the timing window.
Edit-oh I wouldn't go by the build date on the trans to determine what spine it has, unless the build date is 92+ or something like that.

turbokid
12-16-2007, 05:30 PM
10th digit tells the year.

5Leater
12-18-2007, 07:40 PM
are all 1990 sundance RS' turbo'd? there's one on craigs right now, 5 speed...might be what im looking for a parts car

moparzrule
12-18-2007, 07:46 PM
I'm not sure on that, but just make sure if you go look at it at the tranny ID plate to make sure it's not a 3.85 final drive. If it's a 3.50 FD, you just struck gold!

Turbodave
12-18-2007, 07:46 PM
I think they were available with a 2.5 TBI as well.

If you've got the VIN check the 8th digit. Should be a "J" if it's a turbo.

5Leater
12-18-2007, 08:19 PM
thanks Dave i should call the guy...most likey a 2.5T1 A523 but i win either way if its a Turbo (the 2.2's come with A568's)...but i have said too much...