BadAss SRT-Z - 2.4L / A568 - Update!!!

[BadAssPerformance]

Thanks! The car was flying, if only it hooked then there would be a new PB ET too! :o

A couple pics of the timing belt :(

[Shadow]

Nice mph! What size slicks are you running again, and how does the clutch feel? :eyebrows:

[BadAssPerformance]

Thanks! 24.5" M&H's... clutch feels ok, not sure if its slipping or not. Might pull to inspect this winter.

[ohiorob]

hope the damage is minimal. traction, good luck with that.

[BadAssPerformance]

Thanks Rob. From your 2.4L experience, think the intake jumping that far forward might touch anything? That one pic was with #1 TDC

Yeah, traction was no where near where it was like at a major event!

[dodgeshadowchik]

Good job there JT! I'm crossing my fingers that your 2.4 is still non-interference. :)

[ohiorob]

[QUOTE=BadAssPerformance;586368]Thanks Rob. From your 2.4L experience, think the intake jumping that far forward might touch anything? That one pic was with #1 TDC

I've replaced broken belts on NA motors with no valve damage but with your pistons who knows. a fast way to check is to put air in the cylinders.

[BadAssPerformance]

Yeah, I'll put a belt on it and see...

[blk86trbo]

I'm crossing my fingers for you bro!

[Reeves]

Great Job JT!!!! Congrats on the kickass mph!

Did you shave the head or have some radical pistons or something to make this an interference engine?

[ohiorob]

no need to get new belt yet. turn crank so all pistons are straight across. then turn cams untill the valves are close for what cylinder you are checking.
a fast way to know :D or:mad:

[tommy]

it not that they hit the piston. its the valves hit each other?

[BadAssPerformance]

Well I needed a new timing belt anyways... and the verdict...

Compression 1 thru 4: 0-160-150-0

:(

[22shelby]

ohhhhhhhh nooooooooo... well we've got alot of time over the winter, lmk ive got 2 hand that can do anything u want them to do...

[DaveSkrab]

Ouch! you can throw air into the cylinders 1 and 4 with the valves in the "closed position" to find out if it's escaping from the intake or the exhaust. can help you prepare for the repairs at hand. you'll know which valves you need to buy for sure.
Hopefully the head is salvageable. Great season though!!

[22shelby]

next mod BAP custom timing cover i am putting mine back on, even tho non itrfr. motor i dont want to replace a T-belt.

[dodgeshadowchik]

thats a bummer, JT. At least it happened on the LAST day of the track. Excellent timing. ;)

[BadAssPerformance]

Ouch! you can throw air into the cylinders 1 and 4 with the valves in the "closed position" to find out if it's escaping from the intake or the exhaust. can help you prepare for the repairs at hand. you'll know which valves you need to buy for sure.
Hopefully the head is salvageable. Great season though!!

Thanks! and thats a good idea!

I was planing to pull the head to do some inspection anyways... guess its a must now! Oh well, thats racing!

[Turbo3Iroc]

Yeah breaking on the last outing of the season isn't a bad thing in my mind. Much better than the first time out for the year.

Another :clap: to having a good season overall.

[BadAssPerformance]

AGREED, glad it was at the end of the season!

Yeah, pretty happy with the car this year, was just hoping to get low 11's, 10's are a bonus! Trying to run it more at the end of the year tryng to see if it would do any better with the same turbo, and it did, at least with MPH... still on 29psi too!

[Pat]

Just getting caught up...sorry to hear it's in need of some attention. Awesome season though!

And yes, that's racing!

[turbokid]

So with the needing of engine work, any plans to upgrade/enhance/add some fun stuff to it?

[Reeves]

Sorry to hear it's hurt JT!

Upgrade time! LOL

[Shadow]

AGREED, glad it was at the end of the season!

Yeah, pretty happy with the car this year, was just hoping to get low 11's, 10's are a bonus! Trying to run it more at the end of the year tryng to see if it would do any better with the same turbo, and it did, at least with MPH... still on 29psi too!

Sorry to hear she has to come apart, but like everyone else has said, the timing is right and the car did GREAT! So, that is still the 60-1 on there?

[Directconnection]

thats a bummer, JT. At least it happened on the LAST day of the track. Excellent timing. ;)

Pun intended? ;)

[cordes]

Sorry to hear that it's not a non-interference motor any longer JT. Hopefully it is a one time deal.

[turbo2point2]

Sorry to hear about the motor JT. Hopefully it won't require a lot to get it back up and running.

[BadAssPerformance]

Sorry to hear she has to come apart, but like everyone else has said, the timing is right and the car did GREAT! So, that is still the 60-1 on there?

60-1 HiFi in B cover.. Stage 3 exhaust... just a little hybrid turbo, supposed to surge like hell according to the map.. never has on the 2.2L 8v or 2.4L 16v

Hoping its just the valves... rather not buy pistons! I dont smoke and dont need any more ashtrays! :o

[Shadow]

60-1 HiFi in B cover.. Stage 3 exhaust... just a little hybrid turbo, supposed to surge like hell according to the map.. never has on the 2.2L 8v or 2.4L 16v

Nice! .63 A/R turbine housing?

[BadAssPerformance]

Nice! .63 A/R turbine housing?

Correct :thumb:

Here it is, but running custom O2/DP and TiAL external now

http://www.badassperformance.com/mrides/z/08_specs/hybrid_with_fittings.jpg

[22shelby]

Correct :thumb:

Here it is, but running custom O2/DP and TiAL external now

http://www.badassperformance.com/mrides/z/08_specs/hybrid_with_fittings.jpg

oh my god i need to clean myself, i want. DIBS!!!!!!!! i got dib haha that is sexy.

[turboshad]

Still getting 10s ....... :partywoot:
Breaking engine ........ :mecry:
A whole winter to fix it (read: make more powerful) ....... :rockon:


See, it still ends on a happy note. Luckily I'm only going for fastest DD Shadow so I don't have to worry about you that much. I think you will be a serious force next year. Keep us updated on the fix and congrats on a great season. :clap:

[BadAssPerformance]

You know these 2.4L street cars are fun! Not sure if I want to go with a bigger turbo now? :confused2:

What's your turbo again? how does it spool on the street?

[cordes]

You know these 2.4L street cars are fun! Not sure if I want to go with a bigger turbo now? :confused2:

What's your turbo again? how does it spool on the street?

Perhaps it's just me, but I would go with a bigger turbo. I would at least go to a larger cover.

Bigger is better right? :eyebrows:

[WickedShelby88]

Sorry to hear about the snafu JT. Looks like you were really get it dialed in too. Would running a timing cover on the bottom of helped prevent the carnage? You were planning on pulling the head anyhow so I'm sure you will come out even better next time. Good luck! Your persistence will definitely pay off.

[turboshad]

You know these 2.4L street cars are fun! Not sure if I want to go with a bigger turbo now? :confused2:

What's your turbo again? how does it spool on the street?

Holset HE351, the same as Carroll and Shadow. I have logs of 22psi at 3800RPM.

[BadAssPerformance]

Hmmm... I need to compare what I have to the HE351, the GT35R on the shelf... and a couple bigger options ;)

[Rampage16V]

nice collection
I have a 1.34 A/R Garret here I was thinking of trying it is huge!

[BadAssPerformance]

I'm thinking GKT-1000 .. the one on the left :D

http://www.racetep.com/tnetic/gtk1000350sm.jpg

[turbokid]

Still getting 10s ....... :partywoot:
Breaking engine ........ :mecry:
A whole winter to fix it (read: make more powerful) ....... :rockon:


See, it still ends on a happy note. Luckily I'm only going for fastest DD Shadow so I don't have to worry about you that much. I think you will be a serious force next year. Keep us updated on the fix and congrats on a great season. :clap:

You some seconds to cut off that time.
Larry Bufford still dd's his e85 shadow is running like 11.1 or maybe he was at the 11.0 mark.
He's close to 10's. But no cage for him :thumb:
Q

[turbokid]

I'm thinking GKT-1000 .. the one on the left :D

http://www.racetep.com/tnetic/gtk1000350sm.jpg

Lol bigger the better :thumb:

[rx2mazda]

You some seconds to cut off that time.
Larry Bufford still dd's his e85 shadow is running like 11.1 or maybe he was at the 11.0 mark.
He's close to 10's. But no cage for him :thumb:
Q

maybe he wants the fastest FWD DD shadow. Besides, RWD is for.......:D

[turboshad]

maybe he wants the fastest FWD DD shadow. Besides, RWD is for.......:D

What I want is to keep adding things onto the list until I am the fastest. I think right now I am the fastest DD, 2.4, FWD, 2 door, neon hand braked, monaco blue Shadow with Einke Evos 5s. In fact I would be ballsy enough to say turbo dodge. :D Now I just gotta start knocking things off the list. Unfortunately, thanks to Mr. Brian "look at how cool I am" Slowe I will probably never get to knock the DD off. ;)

In reality I didn't know Larry B still drove his to work. But that's fine, I'm always up for a challange. :thumb:

[BadAssPerformance]

In reality I didn't know Larry B still drove his to work. But that's fine, I'm always up for a challange. :thumb:

Whaddya mean? Larry almost towed his Caravan (tow vehicle) back to Kansas with the RWD Sundance! :hail:

[turbo2point2]

. Unfortunately, thanks to Mr. Brian "look at how cool I am" Slowe I will probably never get to knock the DD off. ;)


Sorry DJ I wish we could all have the #1 spot:D. But let me know if you need a fiberglass front end for the car;)Of course that would kill the DD part for sure.

[contraption22]

Congratulations on an awesome season and a BadAss Car!

[BadAssPerformance]

Congratulations on an awesome season and a BadAss Car!

Thanks :thumb:

It will be really awesome if I only need valves and not pistons, LOL!

[turbovanman²]

Run #5 - Cams back to straight up... Best 60' of the day, car started breaking up... lost the alternator belt which took out the timing belt, damage report to come :(


Not funny but funny as that happened to me on the street, racing a turbo RX7, my serp belt came apart and made my cam timing jump, had to limp home very slowly. :o

As everyone said, you had a great year, :thumb:



Hoping its just the valves... rather not buy pistons! I dont smoke and dont need any more ashtrays! :o

Piston damage is very very unlikely, I've never seen one get damaged from hitting the valves. The valves are too soft and bend over. You could have damaged some guides, maybe rockers but not the pistons, :D

I say Holset or GT35R. I really like my GT but if I killed it, the HE351 is going on, :evil:

[BadAssPerformance]

Head is in a box ready to go to the head guy... 8 Intake valves on order.

Also got 8 knicks in the pistons :(

[Pat]

Head is in a box ready to go to the head guy... 8 Intake valves on order.

Also got 8 knicks in the pistons :(

Do we have nice forged pistons for an SDAC piston toss game or are they still useable?

[badandy]

I have a question:

Now...before I start let me say that I am in no way trying to be smart...I am more curious than anything. You seem to be a pretty fart smeller...so in your meticullous engine build did you check to see if you crossed the threshold of the 2.4 being a non-interferrence engine?...as cams being straight up shouldn't have caused any issues.

[BadAssPerformance]

Do we have nice forged pistons for an SDAC piston toss game or are they still useable?

They got knicked pretty good... but, I think it'll buff out :thumb:


I have a question:

Now...before I start let me say that I am in no way trying to be smart...I am more curious than anything. You seem to be a pretty fart smeller...so in your meticullous engine build did you check to see if you crossed the threshold of the 2.4 being a non-interferrence engine?...as cams being straight up shouldn't have caused any issues.

Not a problem when straight up.. only when the intake cam jumps a few teeth

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18866&d=1258859434

[turboshad]

What cams are you using? I thought with stock cams the 2.4 engines were only valve to valve interferance if the belt were to jump but non-interferance when it came to valve to piston.

[BadAssPerformance]

The 2.4L spec is for OEM valves and pistons... but the BC3 cam prolly didn't help :o

[Pat]

Assuming you're at TDC, how did the intake cam jump that direction?

[turboshad]

The 2.4L spec is for OEM valves and pistons... but the BC3 cam prolly didn't help :o

I figured as much. I'm going with Crower 2s this year so that's good to know.

[Turbo3Iroc]

Ouch, so were all of the valves bent? What was wrong with the head or are you sending it our for porting?

[BadAssPerformance]

Assuming you're at TDC, how did the intake cam jump that direction?

Not sure, the peice of serpentine belt that got caught in it wasn't alive to talk about it :(


Ouch, so were all of the valves bent? What was wrong with the head or are you sending it our for porting?

I didnt take them out, but all 8 were marked.. no compression on 1 or 4, but I'm prolly gonna change them all for good luck. I sent the head out cuz it needs a valve job anyways and it might need new seats too.

[Reeves]

They got knicked pretty good... but, I think it'll buff out :thumb:

That sh*t will buff out!

[BadAssPerformance]

LOL, hellz yeah! it better, new pistons - NOT in the budget

[Reeves]

LOL, hellz yeah! it better, new pistons - NOT in the budget

Just think of it as a little more valve clearance. Rev higher in 2010!!!

[Rampage16V]

Yeah I had them all kiss in the aluminum rod motor when it blew up! Check the valves in the valve grinder and they weren't bent...just a kiss

[BadAssPerformance]

Still waiting to get the head back with new intake valves...


Well JT your cyl head was almost done about a week ago or more however an accident with the milling machine sent the carbide cutter thru the floor of one of the exhaust ports, that's the bad news...... I am truly sorry but it is a rare mistake caused by a cat that likes to chew on wires and left my mill with an interemittent connection before I realized what the problem was....... My girlfriend straightened out the wire while I was looking for the problem and the mill took off traveling downward. ..... Needless to say cat is now a vagabond in the neighborhood.

...so it'll be a different head with new valves.


Oh, and time to play plumber again :D

[turbovanman²]

Not a problem when straight up.. only when the intake cam jumps a few teeth

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18866&d=1258859434

Well then you didn't properly check the valve to piston clearance, :eyebrows:



...so it'll be a different head with new valves.


DAMN, lucky it wasn't a TIII head or a heavily ported head. :o

[Aries_Turbo]

Well then you didn't properly check the valve to piston clearance, :eyebrows:

it is an interference motor.

Brian

[Captain Chaos]

Still waiting to get the head back with new intake valves...



...so it'll be a different head with new valves.


Oh, and time to play plumber again :D

WOW! I thought that was a joke, had to read it twice.

[Reeves]

Still waiting to get the head back with new intake valves...
...so it'll be a different head with new valves.

Bad deal on head dude. That sucks.
So is the new "different" head going to have some changes made to it? :eyebrows:





Oh, and time to play plumber again :D


Hmmmm........that looks familiar! 4" aluminum?

[BadAssPerformance]

I just hope the new head works as well as the last one...

Mostly SS... some AL

[Reeves]

I just hope the new head works as well as the last one...

Mostly SS... some AL

I used the SS for about 3/4 of the downpipe, then switched to aluminum.

Making an aluminum muffler next. Right now it LOUD!!!! :confused:

[BadAssPerformance]

I was thinking of going Aluminum, but my car is a heavy street car anyways, so I figured SS would be more durable and I hope it will suffice for a while cuz I really dont think I'll be gong any bigger later on, LOL.

[Reeves]

I was thinking of going Aluminum, but my car is a heavy street car anyways, so I figured SS would be more durable and I hope it will suffice for a while cuz I really dont think I'll be gong any bigger later on, LOL.

Same thing I said with the 3" exhaust......
And the same thing I said with the 5-point roll bar......

LOL......
:thumb:

[BadAssPerformance]

LOL.. I knew the 3" was temporary when I put it on... and I went 10pt from the start ;)

[Reeves]

LOL.. I knew the 3" was temporary when I put it on... and I went 10pt from the start ;)

Yeah......if I didn't do my roll bar and exhaust WAYY back when, then I would have done the same thing I'm doing now. Who knew we'd be going this fast? LOL.

Live and learn I guess!

[rx2mazda]

I'm gonna do 3inch and no cage and see what happens. :D

[Reeves]

I'm gonna do 3inch and no cage and see what happens. :D

And I don't think you are joking?

[turboshad]

I find my 4" makes a huge difference over the 3" through mufflers. Now maybe it's just because it is straight open but going through the 3" I get spark blowout and as soon as I open the cutout to straight 4" the problem goes away. Plus it sounds badass in the staging lanes. :D

Sucky about the head JT but maybe it will be even better than the last. :thumb:

[BadAssPerformance]

What muffler are you running DJ?

Yeah would be cool if the head is better!

[Reeves]

What muffler are you running DJ?

Yeah would be cool if the head is better!

Dual 3" Magnaflows if IIRC.

[turboshad]

^^^^ What he said. :nod: 3" straight through Magnaflows.....2 of em. Allthough I'm not sure how much the second one actually does for sound deadening since they are the same size. I would like to try to get a longer sucker in the middle.

[22shelby]

damn is that thing going to sound nasty w/ the 4", mine sounds wicked w/ the 3.5!!!

[Reeves]

^^^^ What he said. :nod: 3" straight through Magnaflows.....2 of em. Allthough I'm not sure how much the second one actually does for sound deadening since they are the same size. I would like to try to get a longer sucker in the middle.

I'm looking at a long 4" Magnaflow. Do you know about how much your 3" weighed? If not that bad, it would be easier for me to purchase a 4" vs. making an aluminum 4", although I have it partially drawn up already.

[tinyturbo]

Cant they weld the hole shut ? ive had exhaust ports go through the water jacket before and just had them welded up, didnt charge very much, he said he heated up the casting before welding and used some crazy 100k welder he got from gm.

[turbovanman²]

^^^^ What he said. :nod: 3" straight through Magnaflows.....2 of em. Allthough I'm not sure how much the second one actually does for sound deadening since they are the same size. I would like to try to get a longer sucker in the middle.

I have 2 mufflers, lol. I have a smaller round one at the rear to help with drone but it nicely took some noise out, drone, a tad. Up front, I've tried Aerochamber-not bad, Maxflo-damn loud but flows and and Ultraflo-loud as well but not as bad as the Maxflo. Years ago, tried a very large Magnaflow up front and a small oval at the rear, lag increased big time, lost alot of midrange, dead quiet but still had drone? :confused:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a228/turbovanman/Sonywork049.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a228/turbovanman/Sonywork048.jpg

[Speedeuphoria]

but the BC3 cam prolly didn't help :o
What kind of idle vac do you get with those cams?

[BadAssPerformance]

What kind of idle vac do you get with those cams?

IIR it was like 15?

[Birddog]

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a228/turbovanman/Sonywork049.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a228/turbovanman/Sonywork048.jpg


Cleanest undercarriage ever??:wow1: I've never seen your backside, no salt in the great white north?

Sorry hijack over..:nod:

[BadAssPerformance]

The Dynomax Ultra Flow I wanted is not available for a while so.... :D

[Reeves]

The Dynomax Ultra Flow I wanted is not available for a while so.... :D

Let us know how the BORLA sounds! I had that in my wishlist on Summit Racing as well as the ultra flow and a few others.

Do you have it on hand? Can you weigh it?

[BadAssPerformance]

Funny thing about 4" mufflers.. they are pretty light... cuz they got a bigazz hole thru them, LOL!

Not sure how acurate my scale is but I'd say ~10lbs

[Reeves]

Funny thing about 4" mufflers.. they are pretty light... cuz they got a bigazz hole thru them, LOL!

Not sure how acurate my scale is but I'd say ~10lbs

It takes more material to go around that bigazz hole, and I know the (2) 5" mufflers I have on my truck weigh quite a bit and are both straight thru.

At 10lbs, I may still look at making an aluminum glasspack.

[turboshad]

I like the Borla system on the SRTs so I'm sure this one will sound gnarly. :thumb:

[contraption22]

I like the Borla system on the SRTs so I'm sure this one will sound gnarly. :thumb:

Eh.. the Borla system on the SRT-4's don't really have anything that resembles a muffler like that. Basically it's one resonator instead of 2 on the factory system. It's also 2.5" vs 2.25" pipe. And apparently the factory engineers weren't crazy when they made those spaghetti pipes in the rear of the SRT-4. The equal length pipes really cut down on drone.

[turbovanman²]

What turbo have you chosen? :eyebrows:

Will the new head have any port work?

[BadAssPerformance]

What turbo have you chosen? :eyebrows:

Will the new head have any port work?

Not sure yet

I hope it does, the last one did, LOL!

[turbovanman²]

Not sure yet

I hope it does, the last one did, LOL!

Ok.

Sure its not repairable?

[BadAssPerformance]

I have not seen it yet... offered to weld it for him. we'll see

[turbovanman²]

I have not seen it yet... offered to weld it for him. we'll see

Why did you offer to weld it? :confused: He messed up, :(

[BadAssPerformance]

Why did you offer to weld it? :confused: He messed up, :(

He's making it right with a spare he had... I offered to weld.. um... cuz I'm a nice guy? ... or... to make a spare head?

[Rampage16V]

Sorry to hear about your head JT! Makes you want to hate pussies NOT!

[BadAssPerformance]

Wow... Seriously, nobody can make this up!


Well the cat won't be a problem ever again , definetly bit off more then can chew. He came back and finished the job on my wires .......except he completed the circuit this time! Garage smelled like burnt chicken and fur.... As you can imagine it slowed me down a bit while I got a replacement capacitor for the motor he shorted.

[cordes]

Wow... Seriously, nobody can make this up!

All the more reason to shoot cats on sight.

[shmedley]

If that cat had nine lives it sure used 'em all.

[turbovanman²]

Damn, persistant bugger, :o

[Reeves]

Wow... Seriously, nobody can make this up!

I literally LOL'd!!!


If that cat had nine lives it sure used 'em all.

Great quote!!!

[Captain Chaos]

Wow... Seriously, nobody can make this up!

I have a couple more cats he can plug in if he's interested.

[thefitisgay]

dont milling machines use like 3 phase or something?

[Reaper1]

I LOVE the way my 3" Borla XR-1 sounds, but I'm sure 16V and 4" will change the tone a bit! LOL

[BadAssPerformance]

Head was supposed to be back Friday (according to FedEx ground tracking number last week) and I had to work so they would not have left it anyways (sig req) so then it was supposed to be here yesterday... in the morning the tracking website said "out for delivery" and the estimated delivery date was 5/22. AWESOME! :)

So I'm working in the garage and basement on some other stuff and checking the door every so often and running upstairs every time I hear a diesel truck (my street has almost no traffic) and nada... so about 4pm I check online tracking again and it says estimated delivery date was 5/25 ... WTF? well, whatever, I had some welding to do so I go and do that... Guess I get screwed :(

About 15 minutes later I go check out front again and there is a door tag (sig required)... tho mofo's stopped by and I had no idea... :( the garage is open with the radio on, basement door open you can probably hear the welder out front even... but all they musta did is knock on the door.. impatiently cuz its in the afternoon on a Saturday... :(

So I call FedEx and ask them to leave it at the depot and I'll go pick it up after his route (I do this with UPS all the time!) and they explain how their ground service is entirely independent of their express service and that center has already closed for the day and there is no way to get it till Tuesday!? So I ask them to contact the driver and I'll give him $20 if he can bring it back... and they said they cannot contact the driver unless the center is open cuz they gotta go thru them .. WTF!? So I tell them that I'm not gonna be here to sign on Tuesday, leave it at the station and leave work early and pick it up so I dont just get another door tag... :rolleyes:

The really stupid part of it all is that when you check the tracking there is no way to tell them to leave it at the station or anything, so in all actuality for someone working 5 days a week the only day I would ever be home to sign is Saturday, and there is no way to tell them to leave it at the station before the 1st drop off attempt. And then there is no way to get it that night and not even for sure the next day... compared to this... UPS Ground FTW!

Sorry for the rant, just frustrated... its like Christmas morning and I found out Santa got delayed!

Luckily I have a few other things to work on to keep me busy...

[cordes]

JT, I thought you had one of these things?

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/photopost/data/715/attack.JPG

[BadAssPerformance]

Not anymore, it moved out last year...

[Aries_Turbo]

i hate fedex

[shmedley]

I have to sign for everything at my house because of Sasquatch :banghead:

[cordes]

I have to sign for everything at my house because of Sasquatch :banghead:

I don't know this person, nor have I taken anything from his porch.

[BadAssPerformance]

I have to sign for everything at my house because of Sasquatch :banghead:


I don't know this person, nor have I taken anything from his porch.

LOL, different Sasquatch :D

[shmedley]

LOL, different Sasquatch :D

Yep different Sasquatch
I thought there was only one :confused:

[Directconnection]

All the more reason to shoot cats on sight.

Wow. That's a cool/manly thing to say. :thumb:

[cordes]

Wow. That's a cool/manly thing to say. :thumb:

I'm assuming that you are being sarcastic. Unfortunately for me there is a real feral cat problem in the area. They are threatening the native song birds amongst other species. I don't suffer problem cats lightly. :thumb:

[Directconnection]

I have a respect and affection for all animals... but not so much for piss-poor animal owners who don't take care of their pets (feral cats) or the owners of special bred attack dogs.

There are better ways of treating a feral cat problem.... around here, a friend of mine is in a group where she and her counterparts use humane traps, bring them in to be spade or neutered, and then released again so as to never procreate again. :)

[BadAssPerformance]

Since no head yet... I decided to make a new downpipe :D

[Reeves]

Head was supposed to be back Friday (according to FedEx ground tracking number last week) and I had to work so they would not have left it anyways (sig req) so then it was supposed to be here yesterday... in the morning the tracking website said "out for delivery" and the estimated delivery date was 5/22. AWESOME! :)

So I'm working in the garage and basement on some other stuff and checking the door every so often and running upstairs every time I hear a diesel truck (my street has almost no traffic) and nada... so about 4pm I check online tracking again and it says estimated delivery date was 5/25 ... WTF? well, whatever, I had some welding to do so I go and do that... Guess I get screwed :(

About 15 minutes later I go check out front again and there is a door tag (sig required)... tho mofo's stopped by and I had no idea... :( the garage is open with the radio on, basement door open you can probably hear the welder out front even... but all they musta did is knock on the door.. impatiently cuz its in the afternoon on a Saturday... :(

So I call FedEx and ask them to leave it at the depot and I'll go pick it up after his route (I do this with UPS all the time!) and they explain how their ground service is entirely independent of their express service and that center has already closed for the day and there is no way to get it till Tuesday!? So I ask them to contact the driver and I'll give him $20 if he can bring it back... and they said they cannot contact the driver unless the center is open cuz they gotta go thru them .. WTF!? So I tell them that I'm not gonna be here to sign on Tuesday, leave it at the station and leave work early and pick it up so I dont just get another door tag... :rolleyes:

The really stupid part of it all is that when you check the tracking there is no way to tell them to leave it at the station or anything, so in all actuality for someone working 5 days a week the only day I would ever be home to sign is Saturday, and there is no way to tell them to leave it at the station before the 1st drop off attempt. And then there is no way to get it that night and not even for sure the next day... compared to this... UPS Ground FTW!

Sorry for the rant, just frustrated... its like Christmas morning and I found out Santa got delayed!

Luckily I have a few other things to work on to keep me busy...

I could rant on about Fed-Ex for hours......


i hate fedex

x2 big ones

[BadAssPerformance]

Yeah, they blow! :( ... not in the good roll your eyes back into their sockets way either! ;)

[135sohc]

They all suck...

I will say though, when we bought a new printer (big a$$ dell laser one) and missed the drop off by about 10 minutes. called ups and they got the driver directly on the phone, drove over to the next neighborhood and met up with him enroute.

[cordes]

nice DP JT.

[BadAssPerformance]

Thanks :thumb:

[NeonShowCar]

DP looks nice, almost looks like 4" pipe :D

[BadAssPerformance]

Thanks Garry... and good eye, it is 4" :D

[contraption22]

Nice work, JT! What is that standoff for?

[BadAssPerformance]

Thanks! I'm guessing you mean the WG dump pipe?

[contraption22]

Thanks! I'm guessing you mean the WG dump pipe?

Ahh ok.. I didn't think about it. Not realizing it was 4" pipe, that looked too small to me to be for an external gate. Now i get it.

[BadAssPerformance]

Yeah, its somewhat disproportionate, LOL... glad I had spare pipe and flange for it tho so i didnt have to cut the 3" DP.... maybe I'll get a pic together to show size

[turboshad]

All the cool kids run 4" :nod:

[rx2mazda]

All the cool kids run 4" :nod:

Feel sorry for you guys. Hope this helps..........http://www.amazon.com/ExtenZe-Maximum-Strength-Enhancement-30-Count/dp/B000ZI7NK2

;)

[turboshad]

Feel sorry for you guys. Hope this helps..........http://www.amazon.com/ExtenZe-Maximum-Strength-Enhancement-30-Count/dp/B000ZI7NK2

;)

Nothing wrong with short and thick Carroll, but if you like your long and skinny that's fine too. :thumb:

[22shelby]

:( ill take my 3.5" and go home

[rx2mazda]

I prefer mine 36"-24"-36" you need more pictures to clarify? However,now that I know you like short and thick........:bolt:

:lol:

[rx2mazda]

I prefer mine 36"-24"-36" you need more pictures to clarify? However,now that I know you like short and thick........:bolt:

:lol:

[turboshad]

I prefer mine 36"-24"-36" you need more pictures to clarify? However,now that I know you like short and thick........:bolt:

:lol:

See request for roomate in the SDAC hotel thread. :eyebrows:

[Reeves]

I prefer mine 36"-24"-36"

Haha.....only if she's five three.....

[rx2mazda]

Haha.....only if she's five three.....

LOL, damn beat me to it Sir! ;)

Dude, your killing me!!! :lol:

["Top Fuel" Bender]

Nothing wrong with short and thick Carroll, but if you like your long and skinny that's fine too. :thumb:

I'll keep my short fatty thank you
hole don't get any deeper guys, only wider :nod:

[BadAssPerformance]

Damnit, hit 'edit' instead of 'quote' on Reeves post :( this was my comment... :o


LOL, damn beat me to it Sir! ;)

[BadAssPerformance]

Inhale.. exhale... got my cylinder head in the mail :nod:

[Pat]

How's she look?

[BadAssPerformance]

Pretty much like any other 2.4L/2.0L DOHC head, LOL

[turbovanman²]

So what turbo? :eyebrows:

[BadAssPerformance]

Its a hard choice really... I know how it worked with the T3/T4 and the GT35R adds variables to the equation which leaves me less time to sort it out before Pinks. ...decisions decisions...

["Top Fuel" Bender]

Its a hard choice really... I know how it worked with the T3/T4 and the GT35R adds variables to the equation which leaves me less time to sort it out before Pinks. ...decisions decisions...

I've got the t3/t4 fresh from turbonetics sitting here

[BadAssPerformance]

I've got the t3/t4 fresh from turbonetics sitting here

Which wheels? housings?

Theres really nothing wrong with the T3/T4 I got except the comp housing is only a "B"

[turbovanman²]

Its a hard choice really... I know how it worked with the T3/T4 and the GT35R adds variables to the equation which leaves me less time to sort it out before Pinks. ...decisions decisions...

"cough" GT35R "cough"

I've been looking at a thread on the SRT forums about the GT35R, they are putting down some stupid numbers, :thumb:

[BadAssPerformance]

Link?

[Speedeuphoria]

http://www.srtforums.com/forums/f169/gt35r-turbo-owners-post-ur-dyno-setups-here-198779/

[turbovanman²]

http://www.srtforums.com/forums/f169/gt35r-turbo-owners-post-ur-dyno-setups-here-198779/

Thanks.

I am only on page 8 I think, but so far, impressive, and that's why I kept my GT instead of swapping it out.

[Reaper1]

I agree...GT series FTW, especially with a manual transmission car!

[NeonShowCar]

The GT35R definately the way to go with that 2.4L cylinder head on there. Can put down some serious numbers with that thing. That's a good setup!

[turbovanman²]

353 whp on a stock engine at 20 psi.

http://www.srtforums.com/forums/f10/gt35r-stock-motor-aem-dyno-numbers-343921/

Another guy, 514 whp, built motor, 24 psi.

["Top Fuel" Bender]

Which wheels? housings?

Theres really nothing wrong with the T3/T4 I got except the comp housing is only a "B"

to4e super 50e, stage II ford housing no wastegate (4-bolt discharge with 3" v-band tig'd on)

[BadAssPerformance]

TFB, thats a little hybrid ;)

Really, the 35R is not that much bigger than what i got now... Here are the wheel dims:

-------------------Compressor----------------Turbine
-------------------Ind (mm)Exd (mm)----------Maj Dia (mm)Exd (mm)
T03/04 HiFi S-III---59.03----76.20-------------65.00--------56.62
GT3582R-----------61.40----82.00-------------68.00--------62.31
-------------------4.02%----7.61%------------4.62%-------10.05%

So If I added the S-V wheel to mine...

-------------------Compressor----------------Turbine
-------------------Ind (mm)Exd (mm)----------Maj Dia (mm)Exd (mm)
T03/04 HiFi S-V----59.03----76.20-------------70.99--------61.90
GT3582R-----------61.40----82.00-------------68.00--------62.31
-------------------4.02%----7.61%----------- -4.21%-------0.66%

And then swapped to a T04E comp cover, the only big diff would be the BB and the eurbine A/R of .63 on the T3/T4 and .82 on the GT ... and they make larger T03 A/R turine housings right?

[turbovanman²]

Interesting but I think if that turbo did make that kind of power, we would have more of them being used?

Yeah, pretty sure they make larger A/R's for the T3/T4's. The GT35R, you can go big or go home, lol.

[Reaper1]

The thing is that the technology step-up in the aerodynamics of the compressor and turbine wheels is not something you can readily quantify based on pure physical measurements. THAT is where the REAL difference is. Sure, size matters to a point, but how and when the air moves is more important when they are that close. The other thing is that the transient response time for the GT will blow away the journal bearing turbo. This is something to really consider when you have a manual transmission. Yes, the BOV helps keep the turbo going, but the GT will stay at a higher rpm longer, and get back to the desired rpm faster.

In my mind, there's no contest. The GT wins hands down.

[BadAssPerformance]

Interesting but I think if that turbo did make that kind of power, we would have more of them being used?

There are a lot of them out there, just not on T-M's


The thing is that the technology step-up in the aerodynamics of the compressor and turbine wheels is not something you can readily quantify based on pure physical measurements. THAT is where the REAL difference is. Sure, size matters to a point, but how and when the air moves is more important when they are that close. The other thing is that the transient response time for the GT will blow away the journal bearing turbo. This is something to really consider when you have a manual transmission. Yes, the BOV helps keep the turbo going, but the GT will stay at a higher rpm longer, and get back to the desired rpm faster.

In my mind, there's no contest. The GT wins hands down.

At first reading this I thought "wow, not sure how my car gets down the track using oldass technology"... hell, Pachner uses even older tech on his little blue rocketship, but how!? ... ok /smartass

OK, You are very right that the aerodynamics make a difference. The big difference with that is in the peak potential HP for a given wheel diameter because it can flow more CFM. The 'old' stuff I'm currently using has been around for years... BUT with all the CFD and CNC capabilities available today the GT stuff is now 'old' as well. First Turbonetics leapfrogged them and came out with their HP wheels with newer aerodynamics, the same timeframe, Precision started making their own wheels which claim 10-15% hp gains over the same size 'old' GT wheels... heck, Garrett has their new GTX wheels out too.

Journal vs. Ball bearing? No matter which manufacturer you talk to (I've talked to many) they all claim ~500rpm quicker spool and varying different levels of durability. In fact I've heard bad things about the GT BB durabiltiy...

[turbovanman²]

What bad things have you heard about BB turbo's? Garrett or others or all?

As for other cars, yeah, you maybe right, it just seems big HP cars all use BB's. Not bashing your setup all, just trying to get you more and learn at the same time, :nod:

I also think Reaper is right, you guys all told me the GT35R is a mismatched turbo with a weird surge line but people sure make power on it-I still can't get over the hit when it comes on full song, :nod: I would go HX35-per my thread which Puppet steered me to, as that is a bigger turbo but I want to max out this turbo first and with Garretts wicked exchange program, I can't complain.

[BadAssPerformance]

I was told that the GT's had BB durability issues. Precision developed their own ceramic BB because of it.

I'm not saying BB is not better and the T3/T4 I am proposing that is almost identical to the 35R would have one.

Funny thing is that when you look at the compressor map... yeah, I was told the 60-1 HiFi wheel I am currently using is a bad match for both the 2.2L and 2.4L I have had it on. Doesnt seem to work too bad. Another reason why I'm not a fan of comp maps.

So, in summary... wheel diameters,. wheel aerodynamics and comp maps are all for reference only and the the whole package on the turbo has to add up for the application.

So simon.. what RPM do you reach full spool (and at how much boost?) with that 35R? I'm not talking brake torquing, just from a 1000rpm roll in 2nd gear and flooring it.

[contraption22]

Journal vs. Ball bearing? No matter which manufacturer you talk to (I've talked to many) they all claim ~500rpm quicker spool and varying different levels of durability. In fact I've heard bad things about the GT BB durabiltiy...

I am also a little fearful of Turbonetics ball bearing durability.

[BadAssPerformance]

I am not sure if any of them have gotten it right yet... especially when 'oil only' ... I was actually stunned that the new Precision BB is not offered with a 'coolant' option

[contraption22]

I wish Precision would have a little bit more info on their website. It's pretty lame.

[Shadow]

Funny thing is that when you look at the compressor map... yeah, I was told the 60-1 HiFi wheel I am currently using is a bad match for both the 2.2L and 2.4L I have had it on. Doesnt seem to work too bad. Another reason why I'm not a fan of comp maps.

So, in summary... wheel diameters,. wheel aerodynamics and comp maps are all for reference only and the the whole package on the turbo has to add up for the application.

Finally, someone starting to use their noodle instead of just following some of the BS convensional thinking! :clap:

According to the old 60-1 map, that wheel should only be good to about 28psi, yet with the right cover ppl claim the turbo really starts to come to life over 30psi. That is a great track turbo JT, and deff capable of 600WHP. If you were looking for a street application there are more responsive turbos that are deemed more "street friendly" but the 60-1 is well proven on many 4 cyl applications.

[Reeves]

I am not sure if any of them have gotten it right yet... especially when 'oil only' ... I was actually stunned that the new Precision BB is not offered with a 'coolant' option

Dang.... I remember years ago when I built a LeBaron with a DBB that it was *mandatory* to have water cooling. Right out of Precision's mouth.


I wish Precision would have a little bit more info on their website. It's pretty lame.

Dang.... Didn't even know they had a website!

[contraption22]

Dang.... Didn't even know they had a website!


You aren't missing much. Many of their products listed say "Avaialbility mid 2007". The "new" billet wheel turbos are not found at all.

[SebringLX]

Well, which turbo did you run the 10.84 @ 130.47mph on? I'm sure you'll want to run at least that fast, or faster for Pinks. The GT35R does sound like a nice turbo though, I've been reading about that one for a while. I've also been reading a lot about the newer Precision turbos, they sound nice too. Some impressive numbers going down with those on Evos.

Didn't see if you just got a new head, or repaired your old one... was it ported? I have a stock 2.4L head sitting in my garage, if you needed one quickly you should have asked. :P Maybe I should throw it in the trunk so you have a spare head at Pinks. :P

[BadAssPerformance]

Dang.... I remember years ago when I built a LeBaron with a DBB that it was *mandatory* to have water cooling. Right out of Precision's mouth.!

Apparently that was when they were running Garrett GT BB's ... your Billet wheel 6262 is oil only right?

[Reeves]

Apparently that was when they were running Garrett GT BB's ... your Billet wheel 6262 is oil only right?

Yes, but it's also not BB.

[BadAssPerformance]

Well, which turbo did you run the 10.84 @ 130.47mph on? I'm sure you'll want to run at least that fast, or faster for Pinks. The GT35R does sound like a nice turbo though, I've been reading about that one for a while. I've also been reading a lot about the newer Precision turbos, they sound nice too. Some impressive numbers going down with those on Evos.

The T3/T4 is the only turbo that has been on it for years... yep 10.80's on 29psi... only went low 11's on 34psi cuz the charge was to hot with the B cover... If I keep it on i will at a minimum get a E cover/backplate


Didn't see if you just got a new head, or repaired your old one... was it ported? I have a stock 2.4L head sitting in my garage, if you needed one quickly you should have asked. :P Maybe I should throw it in the trunk so you have a spare head at Pinks. :P

Thanks for the offer Josh! :) I actually have a stock head that used to be on it... Still waiting for pics of the old one... it was ported and stuff ;) here it is before I put it on:

http://www.badassperformance.com/mrides/z/08_specs/24L_head.jpg

[SebringLX]

Oooh pretty! Who did what for how much to it? ;)

[turbovanman²]

I was told that the GT's had BB durability issues. Precision developed their own ceramic BB because of it.

I'm not saying BB is not better and the T3/T4 I am proposing that is almost identical to the 35R would have one.

Funny thing is that when you look at the compressor map... yeah, I was told the 60-1 HiFi wheel I am currently using is a bad match for both the 2.2L and 2.4L I have had it on. Doesnt seem to work too bad. Another reason why I'm not a fan of comp maps.

So, in summary... wheel diameters,. wheel aerodynamics and comp maps are all for reference only and the the whole package on the turbo has to add up for the application.

So simon.. what RPM do you reach full spool (and at how much boost?) with that 35R? I'm not talking brake torquing, just from a 1000rpm roll in 2nd gear and flooring it.

All good info.

Full spool around 4100-4200, its the same loading it up or hammering the gas already moving.


I am not sure if any of them have gotten it right yet... especially when 'oil only' ... I was actually stunned that the new Precision BB is not offered with a 'coolant' option

I guess Garrett is smart on the fact its water cooled. :nod:

[BadAssPerformance]

Cool, so similar spool to the Hybrid I got... Hmmm....

Precision claims ther new ceramic BB is so badass it dont need coolant to stay cool. ...I'm guessing its also cus the BB is so large they didnt have room for sufficient strength and sufficient coolant passages?

[turbovanman²]

Cool, so similar spool to the Hybrid I got... Hmmm....

Precision claims ther new ceramic BB is so badass it dont need coolant to stay cool. ...I'm guessing its also cus the BB is so large they didnt have room for sufficient strength and sufficient coolant passages?

Yeah, that was with a too tight converter and a very loose engine, thru full exhaust and a medium sized IC, lol.

There you go JT, badass turbo for a badass car, :eyebrows:

[Reaper1]

Something I found interesting while taking my senior detail design course for propulsion (we had to design a high-bypass turbofan jet engine that would compete with the GE90-115) was that the surge line on compressor maps are *chosen* by an engineer. It is based on a few things of course, but basically just because there is a line there doesn't mean the compressor won't operate on the other side, it just will be operating in conditions that an engineer deemed to be outside of optimum performance for whatever reason.

So, basically if you are close to, but on the other side of the surge line...I wouldn't sweat it!

[BadAssPerformance]

Yes, but it's also not BB.

Gotcha... thats a tough $800 option

[Reeves]

Gotcha... thats a tough $800 option

Yeah.....it was something like that I think. "If you got lag....you ain't driving it right!"

[BadAssPerformance]

Yeah no doubt... so ya gotta leave 500rpm higher, big woop :thumb:

[Reeves]

Yeah no doubt... so ya gotta leave 500rpm higher, big woop :thumb:

Yup...and right out of Precision's mouth....after that 500 rpm spool up difference, they are identical.

Plus, it still spools good on the streeet. I really gotta downshift with that 3.05fd though.

[tinyturbo]

Jt, i remember the old turbonetics catalog list the turbo you have as being a super H trim to4b, ive got a regular H trim 2.3 X 2.75 super h was 2.3" X 3", but the to4e 60 trim is the same wheel size wich im going to switch to soon as my h trim only gets me 26 psi max so far with a ported b cover, maybe im wrong and theres slight differences ? I also thought that the 60-1 hifi was a little bigger wheel ?

[dodgeshadowchik]

Jt, your project log thread is way to long. Also, if you don't want that 35R, I know a car I could put it to use one... tee hee

The downpipe looks great! Can't wait to see this car back in action. :)

[BadAssPerformance]

Can't wait to see this car back in action. :)

You and me both kid!

Made some good progress the last two days... too tired to DL pics, LOL

[Reeves]

Made some good progress the last two days... too tired to DL pics, LOL

Feel rejuvenated now?

:needpics:

[turbovanman²]

How about, NOW! :D

[BadAssPerformance]

Busy 3 day weekend.. isnt it suppsoed to be all cookouts and drinking? Not here... at least 10 hours a day.... here are a few progress pics... just for you Simon LOL!

[BadAssPerformance]

I cannot explain how awesome it is to finally have a welder at home :) Making random fittings is a breeze! :nod:

[BadAssPerformance]

In addition to getting the head on and back together, I also made some mods to the alternator mount to hopefully keep the damn belt on, and got a good dent into fabbing the 4" pipe

[BadAssPerformance]

Jt, i remember the old turbonetics catalog list the turbo you have as being a super H trim to4b, ive got a regular H trim 2.3 X 2.75 super h was 2.3" X 3", but the to4e 60 trim is the same wheel size wich im going to switch to soon as my h trim only gets me 26 psi max so far with a ported b cover, maybe im wrong and theres slight differences ? I also thought that the 60-1 hifi was a little bigger wheel ?

From my notes for various Turbonetics catalogs the wheels are as follows:

Comp Wheel - I - E
H - 2.298" - 2.750
Super H - 2.298" - 3.000"
60-1 HiFi - 2.324" - 3.000"

The 60-1 and 60-1 HiFi are the same dimentions but AFAIK they have different vane profiles.

I bet that H wheel spools pretty quick with a smaller exducer? Well... I guess that would depend on what you have on the turbine side!

[turboshad]

Looking great JT. I especially like the turbo choice. It is exactly what I would have gone with :amen:

[BadAssPerformance]

Looking great JT. I especially like the turbo choice. It is exactly what I would have gone with :amen:

Thanks! LOL, glad you like :thumb:

[turbovanman²]

Thanks JT, :nod: Looking good, :eyebrows:

I missed it, what turbo?

[tinyturbo]

From my notes for various Turbonetics catalogs the wheels are as follows:

Comp Wheel - I - E
H - 2.298" - 2.750
Super H - 2.298" - 3.000"
60-1 HiFi - 2.324" - 3.000"

The 60-1 and 60-1 HiFi are the same dimentions but AFAIK they have different vane profiles.

I bet that H wheel spools pretty quick with a smaller exducer? Well... I guess that would depend on what you have on the turbine side!

Ahh ok, i get full spool somwhere just north of 3500 rpm with a .63 st3 turbine, it does surge at that rpm but never really see it unless your lugging it in high gear.

Your cars looking good, your keep us in suspense with that turbo lol.

[Austrian Dodge]

In addition to getting the head on and back together, I also made some mods to the alternator mount to hopefully keep the damn belt on, and got a good dent into fabbing the 4" pipe

what did you do to the alternator mount? pics? :)

[Reeves]

Looking good!

[blk86trbo]

Looks like you were busy this weekend JT, it's coming along nicely...nice fab work :thumb:

[22shelby]

yeah i love the "?" turbo too, i wonder if i can get one in that shade of blue, or is that a BAP exclusive???

[contraption22]

Ported stocker.

[rx2mazda]

Looking good JT, can't wait to see what she does!

[22shelby]

:confused: so u meen hes not going w/ the quad mitsu set up????

[Reeves]

Ported stocker.

FTW :clap:

[SebringLX]

You wouldn't happen to be planning on being at GLD on say June 19th for a little Test'n'Tune action the weekend before Pinks would ya? ;)

[22shelby]

You wouldn't happen to be planning on being at GLD on say June 19th for a little Test'n'Tune action the weekend before Pinks would ya? ;)

wouldnt be worth going up for that day, too busy..... the nitrous street car brawl, and the IMSM racing that day.....

[BadAssPerformance]

Thanks everyone, I cant wait to run it too... even after 3 LOOOOONG days, too much to do still:

Finish exhaust
Mount new K&N
Fab new K&N piping
Relocate 2nd oil filter
Indicate trigger wheel
Bolt Koni rear shocks on
New plugs
Fire it up and tunre it
Fab scatter sheild (this should be a priority, but running is more of one!)
etc
etc


what did you do to the alternator mount? pics? :)

Nothing fancy just an added support. I had one when I ran the larger alternator but downsized to a ~97 PL alternator last year andit didnt fit... I'll get pics


Ported stocker.

Damnit, could you see around the "?" ;)


You wouldn't happen to be planning on being at GLD on say June 19th for a little Test'n'Tune action the weekend before Pinks would ya? ;)

When i saw you post that I was thinking that would be a good day, but I need to get it to the track way sooner so I have time to swap heads or something if this new one has issues?


wouldnt be worth going up for that day, too busy..... the nitrous street car brawl, and the IMSM racing that day.....

Ouch, yeah, looks like a busy day!

[SebringLX]

When i saw you post that I was thinking that would be a good day, but I need to get it to the track way sooner so I have time to swap heads or something if this new one has issues?

The 19th @ GLD is the only day I know for sure right now that I'll be going to any drag strip to race.

I am thinking about trying to go to Byron either this Sunday the 6th, or next Saturday the 12th. Not sure if you want to bring it all the way to Byron to test?

[BadAssPerformance]

yeah, not sure on any of it yet... gonna be day by day here until I get it running!

[turboshad]

Luckily I get to work in an environment with quite powerful computers and with the technology at my disposal I think I was able to see behind the blue cloud to see what will be powering JTs car this year.






















































http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g103/turboshad/12-dp_intalled.jpg

[BadAssPerformance]

Dude, dont be tellin everyone my secrets! LOL!

[22shelby]

DUDE u bastard, u said they wernt going to make "the hampster wheel" DBB compressor.....dam i wanted one of those.....

[BadAssPerformance]

They didnt dude, this hamster wheel only rides a journal bearing :o

[22shelby]

ahhhh ok let me know when th DBB comes out

[cordes]

Ported stocker.

Is there any other?

[badandy]

When did The Joker go into the turbo business? Are they available in red?...apparently red is the fastest...right? :p

[Reeves]

They didnt dude, this hamster wheel only rides a journal bearing :o

The DBB would require water cooled......and how you going to water cool a hamster?

[badandy]

http://m2.sourcingmap.com/smap/images/item/n/08b/ux_a08052700ux0046_ux_n.jpg

Ummm...duh?


The DBB would require water cooled......and how you going to water cool a hamster?

[Shadow]

Ported stocker.

That's it! :mad: If you guys don't keep a lid on this it's going to end up just like the Holsets.....none around and the ones that are go for double the price! :lol:

[BadAssPerformance]

http://m2.sourcingmap.com/smap/images/item/n/08b/ux_a08052700ux0046_ux_n.jpg

Ummm...duh?

LOL... It doubles as a catch can, but that may affect hamster turbo durability!

[dodgeshadowchik]

HAHAHA!!!! That's funny DJ! I alos like the blue colored turbo choice. I bet its a TDOMG-EVO4-BIG16G with a stage WTF wheel. I mean, there is none better


Nice work so far! Looks awesome!

[Reeves]

http://m2.sourcingmap.com/smap/images/item/n/08b/ux_a08052700ux0046_ux_n.jpg

ummm...duh?

lmfao!

[turboshad]

I laughed pretty hard at that too. Funny stuff. :lol:

[SebringLX]

Good choice on the hamster. Gerbils are too small, and Guinea Pigs are way too laggy on this motor. Hamster should be a perfect fit.

[22shelby]

http://m2.sourcingmap.com/smap/images/item/n/08b/ux_a08052700ux0046_ux_n.jpg

Ummm...duh?

pour a lil NOS energy int here, sh%# will spool like no tomorrow...

[contraption22]

pour a lil NOS energy int here, sh%# will spool like no tomorrow...

Thats cheating!!!!!

[Reeves]

Thats cheating!!!!!

x2 plus infinity!

[22shelby]

what that guy puored that stuff in tha crotch rocket......oh wait

[bakes]

I like to run my hamsters on Meth you just got to watch the egt's more closely.

[BadAssPerformance]

Just finished welding the exhaust.. we'll see if it all fits tomorrow, LOL!

[contraption22]

Just finished welding the exhaust.. we'll see if it all fits tomorrow, LOL!

I better not hear a word about anything not fitting on a Gbody. Spoiled brats!

[badandy]

I better not hear a word about anything not fitting on a Gbody. Spoiled brats!
Hey...you are the one that picked the turbo altoids tin as a performance vehicle :D

[Aries_Turbo]

more like the turbo altoids tin... the van is the turbo toaster lol.

Brian

[badandy]

more like the turbo altoids tin... the van is the turbo toaster lol.

Brian

Funny stuff! :lol: Okay, okay you got me...

I'll correct the thread :D

[Aries_Turbo]

hehe :)

[Turbo3Iroc]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfJnqbudMzs

[bakes]

Rotflmo

[Rampage16V]

Hey JT there is a Mopar Day coming up June 12 at St Thomas Dragway about 2 hrs east of Detroit. We are going to try and get the ontario chapter out there!

http://www.stthomasracewaypark.com/

[BadAssPerformance]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfJnqbudMzs

LOL, hilarious!



Hey JT there is a Mopar Day coming up June 12 at St Thomas Dragway about 2 hrs east of Detroit. We are going to try and get the ontario chapter out there!

http://www.stthomasracewaypark.com/

Damn, sounds like a godo time, wont make it tho... good luck, have fun Dean!

[BadAssPerformance]

Update... after a couple more long nights, as of this morning... It runs! :)

Only one issue.. NO OIL PRESSURE! at least at the tap at the back of the block... WTF!? :( Maybe the timing belt carnage F'ed the oil pump somehow? Any ideas? Please post!

I'm not gonna be able to look at it till tomorrow night, maybe.. *sigh* this BLOWS! :(

[thedon809]

When I first started my 2.2, it had no oil pressure. I had to burp the air out of the pump.

[1FastCSX289]

Geez. Sorry to hear that, JT. :( Whats making you think there is no oil pressure? Is that port where your pressure gauge plugs in? Or are you feeding the turbo from that port and dont see oil? Valve train noisy?

[Austrian Dodge]

did you check your oil pump?
if you don't have pressure at the back of the block, you don't have it in the main oil galley - not so good ;)

[ohiorob]

Update... after a couple more long nights, as of this morning... It runs! :)

Only one issue.. NO OIL PRESSURE! at least at the tap at the back of the block... WTF!? :( Maybe the timing belt carnage F'ed the oil pump somehow? Any ideas? Please post!

I'm not gonna be able to look at it till tomorrow night, maybe.. *sigh* this BLOWS! :(

my engine sat most of the winter with out the oil pan and pistons. after i got it all together I turned the engine over " with out starting it " and it would not build oil pressure. the oil pump lost its prime. pulled the oil pan , removed the pickup tube and filled the oil pump with vaseline. I had to use a little air pressure to make the vaseline go farther into the pump. I thought my pump was bad too but thank God it wasn't. hope this helps. good luck I think you need it ;)

[cordes]

my engine sat most of the winter with out the oil pan and pistons. after i got it all together I turned the engine over " with out starting it " and it would not build oil pressure. the oil pump lost its prime. pulled the oil pan , removed the pickup tube and filled the oil pump with vaseline. I had to use a little air pressure to make the vaseline go farther into the pump. I thought my pump was bad too but thank God it wasn't. hope this helps. good luck I think you need it ;)

I was thinking that could be a possibility, but figured it was too far out there. Wow, would that stink if it were the case.

[turbovanman²]

Did you prefill the oil filter?



more like the turbo altoids tin... the van is the turbo toaster lol.

Brian

Hey, :( ;)

[Aries_Turbo]

you know you love the toaster simon. :)

take some fittings and a hose and a trans funnel and connect it to the gallery port. take an oil filter and some bits of plastic and force open the anti drainback valve and screw the filter on. fill the trans funnel and backfill the oil passages back to the pump and pickup tube. let it sit for a few hours (or overnight) and try cranking the engine without the plugs. that should work.

my k cars 8v motor wouldnt build pressure last time i cranked it with the plugs out. on an 8v you can just cut open and gut an oil filter to make a "trough" to pour oil in to backfill the pump. the 2.4L filter isnt convenient to do this.

you could also take a remote mount oil filter block and hook a long hose to the side that comes from the pump and do the same thing with the trans funnel and a qt or so of oil.

Brian

[cordes]

you know you love the toaster simon. :)

take some fittings and a hose and a trans funnel and connect it to the gallery port. take an oil filter and some bits of plastic and force open the anti drainback valve and screw the filter on. fill the trans funnel and backfill the oil passages back to the pump and pickup tube. let it sit for a few hours (or overnight) and try cranking the engine without the plugs. that should work.

my k cars 8v motor wouldnt build pressure last time i cranked it with the plugs out. on an 8v you can just cut open and gut an oil filter to make a "trough" to pour oil in to backfill the pump. the 2.4L filter isnt convenient to do this.

you could also take a remote mount oil filter block and hook a long hose to the side that comes from the pump and do the same thing with the trans funnel and a qt or so of oil.

Brian

That is some great thinking there. Nice.

[1FastCSX289]

Or you could tow your car down to the gulf coast and nose it right into the "water" and let it sit. You'll be all primed in no time.

...sorry.....:p

I like Bucar's idea though it might be a pain to get the fittings and the hose all done up.....its better than yanking the pan or the oil pump.

[ohiorob]

you know you love the toaster simon. :)

take some fittings and a hose and a trans funnel and connect it to the gallery port. take an oil filter and some bits of plastic and force open the anti drainback valve and screw the filter on. fill the trans funnel and backfill the oil passages back to the pump and pickup tube. let it sit for a few hours (or overnight) and try cranking the engine without the plugs. that should work.

my k cars 8v motor wouldnt build pressure last time i cranked it with the plugs out. on an 8v you can just cut open and gut an oil filter to make a "trough" to pour oil in to backfill the pump. the 2.4L filter isnt convenient to do this.

you could also take a remote mount oil filter block and hook a long hose to the side that comes from the pump and do the same thing with the trans funnel and a qt or so of oil.

Brian

this may not work as the anti drainback is in the pump housing.

[Aries_Turbo]

hmmmm. that i did not know. is it an anti drainback or an oil relief bypass? i only ask cause the filter still has an anti drainback valve in it.

the older stuff you should still be able to do this to im pretty sure.

Brian

[BadAssPerformance]

my engine sat most of the winter with out the oil pan and pistons. after i got it all together I turned the engine over " with out starting it " and it would not build oil pressure. the oil pump lost its prime. pulled the oil pan , removed the pickup tube and filled the oil pump with vaseline. I had to use a little air pressure to make the vaseline go farther into the pump. I thought my pump was bad too but thank God it wasn't. hope this helps. good luck I think you need it ;)

Thanks Rob, that sounded like it may have been the case.... So I tried this tonight, but with assembly lube and I thought it was taking the stuff pretty well but after 1/2 a tube I realized that it was coming out the back of the oil pump onto the crank snout, WTF!? Did yours do that too? Or is it oil pump disassembly time? :(