BadAss SRT-Z - 2.4L / A568 - Update!!!

[WickedShelby88]

Stupid flux capacitors, you just can't trust those things...

:lol: Yeah the way JT was talking you'd have to be a mad scientist to tune that thing.. At least he tightened the loose nut behind the wheel;)

[t3rse]

You didn't key the crank pulley?

[BadAssPerformance]

The only resistance is the altrernator, a press fit should be ok?

[2.216VTurbo]

The only resistance is the altrernator, a press fit should be ok?

Wait, what, woah! Did I miss something? Explain JT. Is your pulley that drives the alternator the one with the mag pick ups for the Stand Alone and it's just pressed on? Every time the Alt cycles to charge it 's gonna want to spin on the crank like a millionth of a turn, multiply by a half million cycles and you're 180 out...

[Reaper1]

Depends on how tight the press fit is. What materials are being joined? By comparing their expansion rates it should be possible to determine any loss made by expansion of dissimilar metals. I'd personally go for something where you have to heat up the pulley to around 275-300*F to make it loose enough to remove. Of course if you DO have to remove it this heat *could* damage the main seal if you're not careful.

Of course you could avoid this with a simple key, but that solution also has its flaws...such as adding stress risers to the part and the removal of material. I don't think it'd be much of an issue though seeing how little force is being applied to the part and for the short durations.

You might consider a bit of anerobic sealer , but it WILL make it an SOB to get it back off and it WILL require heat and a good puller.

Just some thoughts for ya! :D

[BadAssPerformance]

The alternator puts that kinda force on it? sounds like I need to slack that belt up a tad!

I have an ebay knock-off of an Unorthodox UD pulley. Steel hub that the AL pulley (an now also the mag wheel) bolt to. So steel on steel.

It would not go on when I got it (did I mention it was a cheap knock off?) so I bored it out a tad and it was loose so I added 3 welds inside and ground those down with the dremel until it was a light press fit. That slipped, or skipped 120° or 240° maybe?

In the recent fix, I welded a continuous bead aound the ID and re-bored it to a light press fit which went on way harder than it used to... I'll monitor it better now that I know what to expect, easy to do with a timing light :)

[Reaper1]

...or a little paint on the bolt and the pulley :thumb:

[BadAssPerformance]

Excellent idea on the paint mark, that would show it unless the bolt turns with it :thumb:

BTW, drove it last night, it runs fine again.. no real change to open it up, but everything seems OK again! :thumb:

[Reaper1]

Man, if the bolt turns with it you've got something REALLY wrong! LOL. Blue Locktite FTW!! :D

That's something else you could try...use a little anerobic on the shaft when you install the pulley. Once it sets it *should* be nice and affixed to its position.

Congrats on driving it again! Now, when are you gonna make the trip down to Florida?! I want a ride!!!

[BadAssPerformance]

Since the bolt clamps the pully hub in place, it had to turn at least a little to allow the hub to rotate...

The only problem with all solid motor mounts... sh!t vibrating loose.

[jckrieger]

On our 2.0L Neon the pulley was so tight we were bending the pulley before it was coming off the crank. We ended up heating the pulley up with "the hot wrench" before it would even budge. This was a factory pulley/installation! We actually honed the pulley to loosen up the fit so we could get it back together. I say make the clearance so you need to heat the pulley up to ~300F before you can get it on. That seems to be the way the factory did it!

[Reaper1]

^^^Hmmm....you mean engineers sometimes think the same! :D LOL

JT, for some odd reason I was thinking the crank was a tapered fit. If it is a straight shaft, then I beleive that if you use a *little* blue locktite, you may find that helps.

But, if it doesn't give you any more problems with the current fix, then screw it! :thumb:

[turbovanman²]

I think press fit crank pulleys are a dumb idea. I guess if you ever pull it apart, you should think about getting a keyway machined into the crank, :nod:

Or if you still have issues, maybe use the flywheel?

[Reaper1]

^^Why? The only thing that makes it *bad* in THIS case is that he uses it to time the engine. In most other cases the pulley has no other function but to drive accessories. You don't need a key to do that as a good press fit will be moer than adequate to cunteract the force put on it under normal conditions.

Now, press fit CAM pullies(as in Ford Focus)....THAT is a stupid idea!!!

[WickedShelby88]

Pretty much "ALL" pulleys that have ever had function as timing or an external balancer on any engine ever designed use a light press fit AND a keyway. Subaru, Porsche, chevy, Mopar, Ford, etc. etc. So that said I would think since a timing device is used in conjunction with accessory drive in this case it would be mandated to machine in for a keyway as well as the light press just like the factory would of done it if there was timing involved.. IE the timing belt or crank pulley. just a thought. honduh is the only one I had to deal with that needed heat for the bolt, then YES the neon engines required you to heat the pulley to remove it with their special puller also available in the loaner tool section of zono for cheap.

[BadAssPerformance]

On our 2.0L Neon the pulley was so tight we were bending the pulley before it was coming off the crank. We ended up heating the pulley up with "the hot wrench" before it would even budge. This was a factory pulley/installation! We actually honed the pulley to loosen up the fit so we could get it back together. I say make the clearance so you need to heat the pulley up to ~300F before you can get it on. That seems to be the way the factory did it!

I think I mentioned this already but I could not get the pulley hub onto the crank when I got it I thought the crank bolt was starting to strip even, so I did bore it a little on the lathe and went a little far, no slop, but no press.. then welded 3 bumps in it which would not go on so I ground those down till they were a press fit... but I think there probably was not enough surface area? Who knows... if it moves again, I'll probably but a set screw in the end of the hub going into the crank...

[turbovanman²]

^^Why? The only thing that makes it *bad* in THIS case is that he uses it to time the engine. In most other cases the pulley has no other function but to drive accessories. You don't need a key to do that as a good press fit will be moer than adequate to cunteract the force put on it under normal conditions.

Now, press fit CAM pullies(as in Ford Focus)....THAT is a stupid idea!!!

True but press fit for a crank pulley is still a dumb idea. Remember, you are driving belts off it so there is some torque/twisting motion involved.

[8valves]

True but press fit for a crank pulley is still a dumb idea. Remember, you are driving belts off it so there is some torque/twisting motion involved.

True, but aren't wheel bearing under a similar stress, and they're pressed? I always have to torch the heck out of the hubs to get the old ones out on my old Charger and the Daytona.

[BadAssPerformance]

Took it out to cruising for a test drive last night and ran it thru 2nd gar and up a tad into 3rd and it ran a solid 23psi at 11.5:1 a/f and it pulled about as strong as it ever has. Bolted the slicks on today, ready to go to Grove Tuesday :)

[contraption22]

I dont know if it is this way in the FSM, but I know it is common practice to heat up the 2.0/2.4 crank pulleys to remove and install them.

JT, I am wondering if by honing yours, you made it too loose.

[BadAssPerformance]

I did the first time for sure... the current press was a result of welding and re-cutting on a lathe. Checked it today its still dead on :)

[turbovanman²]

True, but aren't wheel bearing under a similar stress, and they're pressed? I always have to torch the heck out of the hubs to get the old ones out on my old Charger and the Daytona.

Not really, the hub is pressed onto the bearing but the hub is driven, not the bearing. If the hub moves on the bearing, which it really can't as you have the axle nut squeezing it all together at 150 ft/lbs, big deal, ;)

[dodgeshadowchik]

so i got great news!

as fan club president... thought i'd pass this along:
The Z broke the 11-sec barrier! 11.87 @ 120 to be exact!!

WOOOHHOOOO!!!!
*waits for JT to hit me for updating this before him* :thumb:

[cordes]

That's great news for sure. :thumb:

[contraption22]

Awesome! Congrats, JT!

[2.216VTurbo]

Good news for JT and a burn all in one post:thumb:

[BadAssPerformance]

so i got great news!

as fan club president... thought i'd pass this along:
The Z broke the 11-sec barrier! 11.87 @ 120 to be exact!!

WOOOHHOOOO!!!!
*waits for JT to hit me for updating this before him* :thumb:

Thanks there Prez! :D ...and I'd never hit ya!

Thanks, everyone, it feels good to have the car back to where it ran with the 2.2L... No complaints about 11's off the trailer... I knew it was a good run when I had to shift into 4th at ~108mph :D

Something is effed with the shifter or trans tho, not even I can miss 2nd 3 in a row! :( run recap below

___Run1 ___ 23psi
R/T - .312
60' - 1.894 (spun)
330' - 5.168
1/8 - 7.772
MPH - 96.02
1000' - 9.990
1/4 - 11.872
MPH - 120.33

___Run2___22psi
R/T - .206
60' - 1.782 (spun thru 1st)
330' - 5.335 (missed 2nd)
1/8 - 8.038
MPH - 93.39
1000' - 10.299
1/4 - 12.217
MPH - 118.07

__Run3___21psi (see a trend?)
R/T - .305
60' - 1.808 (spun thru 1st)
330' - 5.528 (missed 2nd)
1/8 - 8.296
MPH - 91.02
1000' - 10.603
1/4 - 12.564
MPH - 115.32

___Run4___20psi___rode 3rd out to the limiter to confirm 6800rpm is 109mph
R/T - .838 (solo run)
60' - 1.844 (spun thru 1st)
330' - 5.530 (missed 2nd)
1/8 - 8.352
MPH - 89.48
1000' - 10.694
1/4 - 12.692 (off limiter in 3rd)
MPH - 109.52

[dodgeshadowchik]

cool!! thanks for posting up the breakdowns of the runs!

[contraption22]

Did you keep turning the boost down to try to get some traction, or was it loosing boost somewhere?

[BadAssPerformance]

boost was lowering on its own... gotta check for vacuum and exhaust leaks.

[Reaper1]

Congrats!! :thumb:

[Tim Kish]

** looks at the reaction times**

I want you first round!!

Car is flying though.

[BadAssPerformance]

LOL, wasn't trying ;) Luckily I had enough 4-banger to cover anything in the other lane :D

[BadAssPerformance]

Took a quick photostop on the way to the staging lanes :)

http://www.badassperformance.com/mrides/z/z_grove_08se08.jpg

[Turbo3Iroc]

That's a pretty BadAss shot! Fix that 2nd gear or the driver!

[BadAssPerformance]

I took a few more, will post later :)

I'm new to A568's anything in the trans able to lock you out of 2nd at 7k rpm?

[Turbo3Iroc]

Is there any binding or anything in the shifter? Are your cables laying naturally or are they pulled out of the way of the exhaust, etc?

[BadAssPerformance]

I need to check everything still...

[BadAssPerformance]

Wow a free dyno pull yesterday at teh CMC/SDAC-Chicago meeting up at Westech in WI. The dyno results were kinda goofy, for some reason it was calculated as crank hp? but I do not know what correction factor was used since it was measured at the wheels? Here are the numbers and guessing 35% loss for FWD???

588.1 @ 5586rpm hp (so 35% loss ~ 382whp?)
551.8 @ 5586rpm tq (35% loss 358tq?)

This was at 21-22psi... got another exhaust leak now, he said the header was bright red :eek: and it looks like the back of the headgasket is nice and oily :(

[shadow88]

I think a 35% loss is a little too much, especially through a manual trans. I've heard more like 15-18% is more like it.

Either way, nice numbers and even better that it was free.

[BadAssPerformance]

thats the problem, they didnt have a correction factor when I asked, so who knows... nice numbers.. maybe a tad off tho...

yeah, free except the head coming off now, LOL!

[shadow88]

What headgasket are you using? Is the oil from the driver's rear corner?

[Reaper1]

Sorry to hear about your ongoing issues with gaskets.

I know...just JB WEld the friggin thing together! ;) :thumb:

[GLHSHELBY]

got any vids of ur runs???

[BadAssPerformance]

Stock mopar headgasket, will have it off here shortly...

Doesnt look like any vids of the runs, the "REC" vs. "STANDBY" modes on the camera seem to have been mistaken

[TurboRon25]

Doesnt look like any vids of the runs, the "REC" vs. "STANDBY" modes on the camera seem to have been mistaken

ARE U FRICKEN KIDDING?!?!? dooOOoode!

Well anyway, what did the V8 guys say?
What eles did some pulls?
Did your wideband agree with their's?
Did they offer you any tuning advise?

Ron

[BadAssPerformance]

ARE U FRICKEN KIDDING?!?!? dooOOoode!

Well anyway, what did the V8 guys say?
What eles did some pulls?
Did your wideband agree with their's?
Did they offer you any tuning advise?

Ron

nope, no kidding about that :(

-Impressed a few, got some compliments.

-A streetrod diagnosing a vibration, then power pulls by an older Wagon and Hemi Rumble Bee Ram

-mine was 11.5:1 the whole pull... I'm going to order another sensor for good luck, LOL! they put a sniffer in the tailpipe but I did not see what it read ???

-nope...

after looking at the exhaust gasket... I know why it only made 21psi :(

[TurboRon25]

after looking at the exhaust gasket... I know why it only made 21psi :(

You have to stop breaking stuff. How are you ever going to afford your Neon?

LOL
Ron

[BadAssPerformance]

LOL, no doubt!

[BF/STOCKER SPIRIT]

Thats Awesome Jt!!!!!!! ,alan Johnson, And His ProstoCker ,would Envy You
Well Kinda,,kick Butt

[BadAssPerformance]

LOL! thanks... I'm guessing the WHP guess of 380-ish is realistic? I'm doubting the 588!

[BadAssPerformance]

pics...

[BadAssPerformance]

Where was the boost? Notice the exhaust leak around the #4 exhaust port? :(

HG looked ok, so maybe it just got lifted?

[Turbo3Iroc]

What did you tq the studs to? moly?

[BadAssPerformance]

Ummm... the head was torqued down when I got it.. with moly tho.

What should they be torqued to?

[Turbo3Iroc]

I don't know for that engine but I think that's the symptoms you might see if thy weren't torqued high enough for the expected boost/power level.

[BadAssPerformance]

true... that or the fact it sat 3 years before using it?

[Turbo3Iroc]

I wouldn't suspect that being the issue. Also a good idea to retorque the studs after some heat cycles.

[2.216VTurbo]

Maybe the angle of the HG pic but #2 doesn't look completely round to me. lay it over a fresh HG and see if there is any movement... 588 is sweet JT, take it to the bank man:thumb:

[8valves]

Looks like an eddy current dyno from the pic. There are lots and lots of settings in those babies to make numbers all over the charts! I'd just put the 588 in your sig and feel like a bad --- :) Then just tell people that 120 mph runs are just at "half throttle" like all the "bad" big block boys like to do to protect their egos.

[BadAssPerformance]

true... that or the fact it sat 3 years before using it?

I think #2 was lowest on compression...


Looks like an eddy current dyno from the pic. There are lots and lots of settings in those babies to make numbers all over the charts! I'd just put the 588 in your sig and feel like a bad --- :) Then just tell people that 120 mph runs are just at "half throttle" like all the "bad" big block boys like to do to protect their egos.

LOL, sounds like a plan :lol:

[dodgeshadowchik]

yep, i's just roll with it, JT!

be like the supra guys and thier 1200-1500HP dyno pulls... but yet they are stuck in the 10's. :)

nice pics, btw!

[BadAssPerformance]

Yeah, maybe there's some dyno settings they can do so the next pull is over 1000hp? LOL :D

[turbovanman²]

yep, i's just roll with it, JT!

be like the supra guys and thier 1200-1500HP dyno pulls... but yet they are stuck in the 10's. :)

nice pics, btw!

10's, no way, more like 11's and 12's, :eyebrows:


Your turning into me JT, destroyer of engines, :hail:

Looks like the head gasket was leaking between cylinders, hard to see though.

I would torque to at least 85 ft/lbs.

[BadAssPerformance]

Yep, we can sure F them up! :thumb:

[BadAssPerformance]

New headgasket is on, flycut header flange seems to seal, car seems to run well... :thumb:

[shadow88]

New headgasket is on, flycut header flange seems to seal, car seems to run well... :thumb:

Ah, there you are. Broke and fixed in a short period of time, then use the word "seems" more often. What's the head stud torque now?

[BadAssPerformance]

LOL... 'seems' cut I got it running and filled with coolant but did not drive it around yet.

I went with 80ft-lb with moly...

[Speedeuphoria]

80ft/lbs should be good, I think I went 83 with mine just for fun.

Nice dyno numbers, what was the peak HP rpm?

[BadAssPerformance]

Cool on the torque :thumb:

Like 5400rpm? Yeah, I'm really not believing the numbers, LOL!

[BadAssPerformance]

Ran it 3 times at Grove today... the new headgasket and flycut exhaust flange seem to work well!

Run 1 - cold track, cold tires, missed 2nd harder than ever, blocked out! 15psi boost

R/T: .400
60': 1.895
330': 6.016
1/8ET: 9.147
1/8mph: 82.05
1000'ET: 11.642
1/4ET: 13.701
1/4mph: 108.78

Run 2 - Raced Tom's Charger, Tom red lit, was a good chase till I cheezed 3rd (2nd was good!) 15psi boost

Tom-----------Me
-.181---R/T---.150
1.843---60'---1.848
5.025---330'---5.105
7.529---1/8ET---8.006
98.03---1/8mph---85.55
9.705---1000'ET---10.429
11.522---1/4ET---12.460 (best ET on 15psi for this setup)
124.56---1/4mph---110.68

Run 3 - fixed 3rd, but 2nd effed me this time!... car bogged off the line and ripped the alternator belt off 1/2 way thru 3rd gear :( 15 psi boost

R/T: .095
60': 2.025
330': 5.683
1/8ET: 8.548
1/8mph: 87.56
1000'ET: 10.938
1/4ET: 12.951
1/4mph: 111.35 (best mph on 15psi for this setup)

[cordes]

Wow JT, some ups and downs for sure. What do you think the deal is with that shifting?

[BadAssPerformance]

Gonna put a stock shifter in... if its still crap the trans will come apart.

[cordes]

Gonna put a stock shifter in... if its still crap the trans will come apart.

That will be an experience. I feel like I have an oar while in a car with a stock 568 shifter.

[BadAssPerformance]

I'm used to the shadow's A555 row-boat shifter and can stick the hell outta that car!

[black86glhs]

Could it be operator problems? No wait, your not a gazer. Your shifter doesn't have to be shaped like....er...well....you know. Must be mechanical.:thumb:

[BadAssPerformance]

well, it could be operator problem, but I assure you that I was pulling in back into 2nd gear, NOT pounding it up and down! :eek:

[black86glhs]

well, it could be operator problem, but I assure you that I was pulling in back into 2nd gear, NOT pounding it up and down! :eek:

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:lol::lol::lol:

:hail::hail:I knew you'de have a good remark!!!!!:nod:

Nothing more frustrating than missing a shift.....:mad::mad:

[Turbo3Iroc]

Did you check if your cables are binding up? Any issues going into 4th? What shifter are you using?

[BadAssPerformance]

MadDog STS... Chuck tuned it up 2 weeks ago, drove fine, just not at 7k rpm. no issues with 4th ever, but 4th dont see action below 108mph :D

EDIT: cables seem ok...

[black86glhs]

MadDog STS... Chuck tuned it up 2 weeks ago, drived find, just not at 7k rpm. no issues with 4th ever, but 4th dont see action below 108mph :D
Drived???? :D

[BadAssPerformance]

LOL, I kant tyep speel or think!

[black86glhs]

LOL, I kant tyep speel or think!
I'm surprised I caught that. The brake clean fumes in my garage were getting pretty high.....so was I.:D

[Turbo3Iroc]

Ha fat fingers:lol:

If you're using a stock base a stock neon shifter will bolt onto it. Not sure if you have a stock 523/568 shifter ...

You can also pop the cable end off the trans and manually actuate it. I think your issue is with the top one.

Is the trans just one you came across and decided to go with or has it been gone through?

[Turbo3Iroc]

Forgot to add that after my trans was rebuilt that the selector was quite firm. Took the cable off and it took some levarage to move. I kept missing 3rd or 4th when I had it out. Went to a rental day a couple weeks ago and made 12 passes, missed one shift all day. In the staging lanes I went through the gears atleast 100 times. It seems to be wearing in.

[BadAssPerformance]

I have the '91 daytona shifter I got with the A568 from jckrieger. I had thi sin it at SDAC-18 and it shifted well... put the STS in before the Mopar Nats

Trans was in good shape, I put an OBX in it and brass shift fork pads, everything else looked ok.

I'll play with it a little, might be the shifter mechanism?

[BadAssPerformance]

Forgot to add that after my trans was rebuilt that the selector was quite firm. Took the cable off and it took some levarage to move. I kept missing 3rd or 4th when I had it out. Went to a rental day a couple weeks ago and made 12 passes, missed one shift all day. In the staging lanes I went through the gears atleast 100 times. It seems to be wearing in.

interesting... When I put the STS in I also re-pinned the top lever with a 3/16" roll pin.

[Turbo3Iroc]

Yea may have bent the post slightly?

[BadAssPerformance]

bent post?

[Turbo3Iroc]

The shaft that sticks out of the body that the top lever attaches to. I don't know the proper name for it. Maybe the bushing is damaged? Just throwing out ideas....

[BadAssPerformance]

gotcha... maybe? I'll give it a wiggle to see!

Update... new belt on, car runs fine, the crank trigger sensor bracket broke a weld somehow, belt hit it? Will weld up tomorrow.

[BadAssPerformance]

Made a few new wallpapers tonight...

http://www.badassperformance.com/wallpaper.html

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[blk86trbo]

Man I bet that Daytona is fun to drive around town...next time I see it I want to go street racing!

[BadAssPerformance]

LOL, actually it is a blast to drive around town, but on the edge of too much for the busy roads around here :( The shadow is actually a ton more fun on the street as it is quite a bit more manageable :)

[BadAssPerformance]

Updated the Z's web page! Complete 2009 specs too :thumb:

http://www.badassperformance.com/mrides/z/z.html

[135sohc]

How much for a set of those shift fork pads ?

[BadAssPerformance]

Those were expen$ive! I'm waiting to hear back from my neighbor on a group buy price... and I need to hit the track with the stock shifter to make sure those are not my 7000rpm shifting issue :o

[Reaper1]

Yeah....I've been wanting to get in on some of those shift fork pads as well...provided they are not the cause of a shifting issue...

BTW, what's the weight of that beast? I want to compare my full street trim car to yours just to see how porky mine really is!

Mine= 3113# with me and a full tank of fuel.

[135sohc]

Well I wont be spinning to 7k anytime soon. So if they become viable ($$$ not an issue ;):thumb:) put me on the list. My 523 would like a new set

[black86glhs]

Made a few new wallpapers tonight...

http://www.badassperformance.com/wallpaper.html

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A band of rogue 16V cylinder heads has been spotted outside Chicago. They seem to be praying on helpless 80's turbo dodges. Be on the lookout!!!

[fleckster]

Well I wont be spinning to 7k anytime soon. So if they become viable ($$$ not an issue ;):thumb:) put me on the list. My 523 would like a new set

Check out the Knowledge Center here (http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/vbarticles.php?do=article&articleid=134) for the article I put together with all the part numbers. The shifter pads for the A-523/A-543/A-568 are still available new from the dealer if you really need a set.

[135sohc]

4471343 is NS1 :(

I dont really need a set now and if worst comes to worst I'll break down the spare 523 I've got for parts. but I'd still prefer a better alternative part if one should come available.

[fleckster]

This place still shows them available:

http://www.trademotion.com/partlocator/index.cfm?action=searchCatalogOEM&siteid=213794

I realize showing is different than delivering but for the price, it would be worth trying.

[135sohc]

I tried realmopar.com and this place (http://www.trademotion.com/partlocator/index.cfm?siteid=214996)

Neither one shows it. TradeMotion based search engines can be very out of date and innacurate.

[fleckster]

My local dealer has told me that most of the NS1 stuff that was left on dealer shelves is now at a place called Vintage Parts. They were able to order my A-568 Intermediate Shaft front bearing race from there. I think it is just for Mopar parts but I could be wrong. I don't have the toll free number with me here at work but I have it at home if you want to try calling them and see if they have some still available.

[rx2mazda]

just read through this whole thread:thumb: Good work!

[WickedShelby88]

Should of bought a box full of spare shift fork pads.. At 1.32 each they must of gone fast! I'm going to start looking myself. Nice wallpapers JT:thumb: So are you running stock valves? Are N/A valves okay with the turbo charging? Didn't see valves mentioned.. Gotta have the beef jerky though:D

[BadAssPerformance]

Yeah....I've been wanting to get in on some of those shift fork pads as well...provided they are not the cause of a shifting issue...

BTW, what's the weight of that beast? I want to compare my full street trim car to yours just to see how porky mine really is!

Mine= 3113# with me and a full tank of fuel.

I have not weighed with the 2.4L but with the 2.2L it was ~2750 with me in it and 5 gallons in the old 5-gal cell.


Well I wont be spinning to 7k anytime soon. So if they become viable ($$$ not an issue ;):thumb:) put me on the list. My 523 would like a new set

Cool...


A band of rogue 16V cylinder heads has been spotted outside Chicago. They seem to be praying on helpless 80's turbo dodges. Be on the lookout!!!

LOL!


just read through this whole thread:thumb: Good work!

Thanks :)


...Nice wallpapers JT:thumb: So are you running stock valves? Are N/A valves okay with the turbo charging? Didn't see valves mentioned.. Gotta have the beef jerky though:D

I figured I'd retain all the stock N/A stuff to start...

[SebringLX]

I figured I'd retain all the stock N/A stuff to start...
Should do just fine, your motor is very similar to mine, just a few years older.

4k on my NA bottom end rebuilt with SRT-4 internals, and I'm running my stock NA head on it, runs great, no problems. Although I do have some valve tick, but that's common with these... had the valve tick before I added the turbo, pretty sure I had it since I got the car brand new.

I have an '05 NA head in my garage waiting to be built, just need $$$.

[BadAssPerformance]

Cool deal.. How much boost?

[Warren Stramer]

JT, If its not for sale would you at least let me drive your Z? you can drive the XE if you want.

[BadAssPerformance]

JT, If its not for sale would you at least let me drive your Z? you can drive the XE if you want.

Gee, thanks Warren! That may be the best compliment I've had :o

Are you sure tho? It might make you want to put a 5-speed in yours ;) Hmmmm, maybe we can set something up at SDAC? :)

[Reaper1]

WOW!!!! That's a HUGE compliment!! I know for me personally there are only a few people on this planet I'll even hand the keys for mine to!

[SebringLX]

Cool deal.. How much boost?
I had it spiking around 23psi and falling to ~18psi most of last year IIRC... Tomorrow I am taking it to the dyno and going to try and tune it to hold 23psi with no more than a 25psi spike... not sure if I'm going to be able to do that with the WGA I have. I tightened it up all the way last night, so we'll find out tomorrow.

[BadAssPerformance]

I'll try to remember to bring a spare grainger or two... :D

[SebringLX]

I'll try to remember to bring a spare grainger or two... :D

Grainger? :confused2:

[BadAssPerformance]

Boost controller

http://www.badassperformance.com/mrides/z/08_specs/boost_controller.jpg

[SebringLX]

Boost controller

http://www.badassperformance.com/mrides/z/08_specs/boost_controller.jpg

I have an EBC... Just didn't seem to be able to get it to hold more than 17-18psi last time I messed with it... the WGA that came with my turbo is ~10psi. Before I adjusted it, it seemed like setting 70% duty cycle on the EBC was max before it started freaking out. Hopefully with the WGA tightened as far as it will go, and playing around with the EBC on the dyno tomorrow I'll get it where I want it to be. If not, time to buy the 15psi WGA, but I don't have $110 for that right now.

[BadAssPerformance]

...and if that doesnt work, I can get up to 30psi out of these :D

[SebringLX]

...and if that doesnt work, I can get up to 30psi out of these :D
On a 10psi WGA?? I may be misunderstanding how these things work... but I was under the impression that you could only go as high as about double what the WGA is with any type of boost controller... Something like WGA spring + duty cycle = boost... So WGA with 10psi spring + 60% duty cycle should come out to ~16psi, etc.

[BadAssPerformance]

Is that a rule of thumb? The MBC is inline for the vacuum/boost source line to the WGA, so if you impede the boost signal, the WGA will stay shut longer...

[SebringLX]

Is that a rule of thumb? The MBC is inline for the vacuum/boost source line to the WGA, so if you impede the boost signal, the WGA will stay shut longer...
Pretty sure it is, or at least that's how it was explained to me. Don't think it would do me much good, EBC SHOULD be better than an MBC. I like being able to adjust the boost on the fly from inside the car. :P

[BadAssPerformance]

Pretty sure it is, or at least that's how it was explained to me. Don't think it would do me much good, EBC SHOULD be better than an MBC. I like being able to adjust the boost on the fly from inside the car. :P

True, but if the EBC solenoid cannot hold the pressure, then you wont be able to run the extra boost...

[BadAssPerformance]

Ran it 3 times at Grove today...

Run 1 - cold tires but did a decent burnout... opening weekend expected a bald track but it actually hooked ok! ... stock shifter re-installed, missed 3rd hard, lotsa grindage :( 15psi boost

R/T: .417
60': 1.782
330': 5.072
1/8ET: 8.223
1/8mph: 79.46
1000'ET: 10.781
1/4ET: 12.867
1/4mph: 108.44

Run 2 - Raced a realthy sounding Chevelle, figured I'd have to cut a good light, launched HARD, granny shifted 3 *no grindage!) and never saw the Chevy again :) 15psi boost

R/T: .035
60': 1.749
330': 4.904
1/8ET: 7.766
1/8mph: 90.26
1000'ET: 10.111
1/4ET: 12.114 (best ET on 15psi for this setup)
1/4mph: 112.34 (best mph on 15psi for this setup)

Run 3 - decided to turn up the boost, put in grainger previously set for 24psi... ran 24psi thru third and 26 in 4th... Launched hard again, but spinning like hell, was in left lane, left tire got out of the groove spun thru 3rd with steering wheel turned clockwise 90° *eek* hooked in 4th... This woulda beena damn good run in the groove!

R/T: .127
60': 1.785
330': 5.220
1/8ET: 7.865
1/8mph: 95.60
1000'ET: 10.082
1/4ET: 11.942
1/4mph: 122.08

It was getting colder out, the TONS of street cars were tearing up the track... Gotta check it out and get back out :thumb:

[airagitated]

Nice times JT!

[SebringLX]

Nice! Wish I could have made it.

[butchsuppe]

Cool!!!

[WickedShelby88]

Way to show the Chevy owner how its done:thumb:

[Turbo3Iroc]

Nice runs, #2 is very good for only 15 psi! :thumb:

[2.216VTurbo]

Sweet MPH too:clap: Enough for 11:50's no?

[rx2mazda]

Great times!

[BadAssPerformance]

Thanks everyone, I'm pretty happy with it so far, still have stock 2.4L cams straigth up in it :o


Nice runs, #2 is very good for only 15 psi! :thumb:

Thanks, yeah, I thought about running one more time to try to get a 11 on 15psi but then figured I'd only get one more run so decided to up the boost :D


Sweet MPH too:clap: Enough for 11:50's no?

Thansk, yeah, 122mph should be mid-11's or better. Gotta work on suspension/traction now :)

[Birddog]

Wish I had video up there for that last run... EVERYONES eyes were on that thing as it danced down the track! I bet more than a few people wanted to see another run out of the Z!

BTW, what was with the FWD guys driving around the box and backing into it?? Didn't want to get the skins too wet?

[BadAssPerformance]

LOL! I never had to steer a car that much! :o

Not sure about that, maybe they drove around and wanted to do a dry hop on radaials but backed up too far? Many rookies out yesterday!

[Turbo3Iroc]

Thanks, yeah, I thought about running one more time to try to get a 11 on 15psi but then figured I'd only get one more run so decided to up the boost :D



Tough decisions when you know it's going to be the last pass. Hmm an 11 on low boost or a deep 11 on high boost? I'll take my chances on the high boost please. :lol:

[BadAssPerformance]

LOL, yeah, didnt think that was the last pas suntill it spun thru 3 gears :o

[black86glhs]

LOL, yeah, didnt think that was the last pas suntill it spun thru 3 gears :oYes it is bad for times, but there is a certain smile factor about hearing the tires screaming "KILL ME" thru 3 gears.:eyebrows:

[BadAssPerformance]

LOL, it was more like me thinking 'dont kill me' as it kept pulling towards the left wall! A smarter driver might have let out of it :o

[black86glhs]

LOL, it was more like me thinking 'dont kill me' as it kept pulling towards the left wall! A smarter driver might have let out of it :oLOL.....that puts me in the dumber driver catagory, also.;)

[Birddog]

LOL, it was more like me thinking 'dont kill me' as it kept pulling towards the left wall! A smarter driver might have let out of it :o

You don't realize how close to the wall you were!
I think driving through it may have been the best bet..
Dude in the tower liked your car a bunch.
Aside from the "really can haul the mail" comment, when you tripped the lights "Wow 122mph.. And using ALL of the lane too!".


Damn good day! Had a little daydream about Nova girl too..

[BadAssPerformance]

I knew I was close but too busy steering to look over, LOL!

Yeah, the track needs more like her :love:

[Aries_Turbo]

i wonder why its easy to miss gears with that trans. i rarely miss a gear with my 523 though i grind second sometimes but it still goes in. 3rd is my favorite. i can pound that gear easily. the only trouble ive ever had was doing an accidental 3rd to 2nd gearshifts and that was my fault. cost me a cyl head rebuild. oh well.

nice runs though. :)

Brian

[black86glhs]

i wonder why its easy to miss gears with that trans. i rarely miss a gear with my 523 though i grind second sometimes but it still goes in. 3rd is my favorite. i can pound that gear easily. the only trouble ive ever had was doing an accidental 3rd to 2nd gearshifts and that was my fault. cost me a cyl head rebuild. oh well.

nice runs though. :)

BrianMaybe JT has some kind of seizure, right as he makes the shift,:(;) that nobody knows about?

[Birddog]

Might have been just shifting faster than the trans wanted..

[BadAssPerformance]

Dunno... Seems to be much better shifting slow tho! :thumb:

[Aries_Turbo]

thats possible but ive always been able to ram the shifts super fast in my trans. and it has 130k on it.

i wonder if the brass shift fork pads have anything to do with it. the rings that the shift fork pads ride in, they are coupled mechanically to the shaft, right? they spin at shaft speed and shove the synchro onto the gear and speed it up? am i thinking correctly about the operation? its been a while since i had one of these trannies apart.

Brian

[BadAssPerformance]

Part of the function of the shift fork pad is to drag on that groove to slow the geartrain down, but I wouldnt think brass would be any less drag than acetal (delrin) plastic?

[Reaper1]

Delrin is pretty slippery stuff. The CF would have to be either looked up or determined experimentally between the different materials, however the fluid being used in the tranny also has to be taken in to account...at the proper temp!

I have an issue of "crunching" 2nd when shifting really fast sometimes, if that makes any sense. It doesn't grind, but it definatly isn't happy about going in to gear....and it's a pretty fresh build too. :(

[BadAssPerformance]

I'm guessing that covered in Redline MTL that brass or Delrin are both gonna be pretty low µ in that situation :nod:

When I cheezed 3rd Saturday I misse dit and it made horrible grinding noises. When I was had issues last fall it was just locked out, like punching a wall... wierd.

[Reaper1]

[QUOTE=BadAssPerformance;471293]I'm guessing that covered in Redline MTL that brass or Delrin are both gonna be pretty low µ in that situation :nod:

QUOTE]

:D very true! :amen::thumb:

[BadAssPerformance]

Back to the track tonight... some 15psi tuning runs with the new cams. We'll see if I can beat the best 15psi run for the car so far... 12.114 @ 112.34

[cordes]

Back to the track tonight... some 15psi tuning runs with the new cams. We'll see if I can beat the best 15psi run for the car so far... 12.114 @ 112.34

That's pretty fast for 15PSI already. Good luck tonight.

[rx2mazda]

Good luck!!!

[Reaper1]

Good luck! :thumb:

Any conclusion on the shift fork pads?

[BadAssPerformance]

Quiet for a friday night... could got a lotta runs in...

OK, some 15psi runs with the new cams straight up... spun hard in 1st and short shifted 2nd each run.

I was reeling in this Nova...

Me ................. Nova

R/T: .210 ................. .130
60': 1.819 ................. 1.684
330': 5.207 ................. 4.772
1/8ET: 7.941 ................. 7.438
1/8mph: 91.33 ................. 91.99
1000'ET: 10.255 .................9.759
1/4ET: 12.235 ................. 11.719
1/4mph: 116.21 ................. 115.22

R/T: 1.207
60': 1.807
330': 5.211
1/8ET: 7.940
1/8mph: 91.49
1000'ET: 10.255
1/4ET: 12.223
1/4mph: 117.63 (best mph on 15psi for this setup)

^^^^ looks like a bracket car with way too much mph :D

Played with the cams a little bit...

R/T: .260
60': 1.866 < worse 60' than last run by .059
330': 5.187 < better 330' by .024 so combined about .083 better by this point
1/8ET: 8.558 < DOH! Missed 3rd, hard to stock spinning thu 2nd :o
1/8mph: 66.50
1000'ET: 12.148
1/4ET: 15.723
1/4mph: 60.38

Noticed some smoke from turbo, looks like there is a leak from the oil return line... called it a night.

Shift fork pads seem ok so far.. some trans issue still, dont think its the forks, gotta granny shift 3rd or it wont hit :(

[2.216VTurbo]

Dude... You know you need an 11.8 for the Quick 8 Bump Spot:eyebrows: Turn up the boost already:p How much air is in those slicks?

[BadAssPerformance]

LOL.. tuning cams at 15psi then upping the boost... oh, and somewhere finding traction?

Slicks were at 10psi...

[2.216VTurbo]

LOL.. tuning cams at 15psi then upping the boost... oh, and somewhere finding traction?

Slicks were at 10psi...

And your tire gauge won't go to 8? Still spinning? Less air:)...

[BadAssPerformance]

And your tire gauge won't go to 8? Still spinning? Less air:)...

LOL true... plus thinking the car is overdue for some suspension mods

[Aries_Turbo]

less air in the slicks, a switch to lower the boost in 1st or 2nd gear and more boost in 3-5 and youll be golden.

oh yeah and find that shifting issue.

where did you put the brass pads? every shift fork or just some of them?

Brian

[BadAssPerformance]

Yeah, I'll definitely try lower... they look pretty flat on this heavy car! The slicks are also pretty old too.

This is on 15psi, cant make the boost go lower...

Brass on both the 1-2 and 3-4, plastic on 5th

[contraption22]

Every trip to the track is a learning experience, aint' it?. Glad you got her out man! Nice work!

[BadAssPerformance]

Thanks it was good to get out! I really really want to turn up the boost but need some traction first...

Yes it is... apparently the turbo is not draining too well with 80-100psi oil pressure at startup? Gonna work on drainagle a bit today.

[t3rse]

restrictor before turbo?

[BadAssPerformance]

I really dont like that idea... cuz oil pressure goes down once warm.

I'm going to do some porting in the custom return line fittings first. :thumb:

[t3rse]

or don't boost it cold :D

[BadAssPerformance]

LOL, yeah that too.... but it idles at 90psi cold.

I'm not used to the 2.4L oiling system yet, with the new cams at idle, warm, it throttles between 20psi and 40psi

[t3rse]

mine is 60-70 cold (70* ambient) and 30 warmed with 15w-40

In all fairness I haven't been able to beat on it enough to find problems like that due to clutch issues.

[BadAssPerformance]

Sounds similar...

So far I found that the oil return to the pan is submerged a little when the front of the car is on stands (like it was when I put the new cams in and ran it for a while) and that also means that oil might be standing up against the back of the pan going down the track? I race ported the oil return fittings and will see if that helps, with the car level of course.

Odd thing is it is leaking out between the CHRA and turbine housing, not the exhaust like its should?

[contraption22]

JT,
Are you by any chance using the SRT-4 oil pump on your car?

[t3rse]

Odd thing is it is leaking out between the CHRA and turbine housing, not the exhaust like its should?

OK...that is freaking odd

[BadAssPerformance]

JT,
Are you by any chance using the SRT-4 oil pump on your car?

Actually I think it is... why?

[WickedShelby88]

Hmm oddly enough your 3rd gear issue sounds similar to what the 555 did in the lancer I used to have. I couldn't run it through the gears cause it would bounce off of 3rd every time unless I granny shifted that one as well. Tranny is still fine after all this time as far as I know but with the power your making I'd hate to see you explode a 568.

[Turbo3Iroc]

80-100 just sounds high but have you spoke with any 2.4 guys to see what is normal cold pressure?

How old are your slicks? Is it maybe time for a new set?

Can you post a pic of your return setup?

[Austrian Dodge]

can't you go lower on boost because of your wastegate?

is FAST able to control boost depending on gears?

[Turbo3Iroc]

I'd say he has a 15 psi spring in his gate.

[BadAssPerformance]

80-100 just sounds high but have you spoke with any 2.4 guys to see what is normal cold pressure?

How old are your slicks? Is it maybe time for a new set?

Can you post a pic of your return setup?

Not yet... wont they just say I need a DCR part or soemthing? ;)

pretty old... yeah it is, 26's :D

I can later..


can't you go lower on boost because of your wastegate?

is FAST able to control boost depending on gears?

Kelly is right, 15psi spring in the TiAL WG... My old FASt cannot, maybe the new XFI can?

[Turbo3Iroc]

You run 3.50's right? you really need to go taller with that high revving motor?

[BadAssPerformance]

Ya, 3.50 in the A568... will do 110 at 6500 in 3rd on the 24.5... thinking of 26's for traction

[Turbo3Iroc]

I can't disagree stepping up for that reason, you are making the power but have you considered going back to 3.85's to take advantage of 4th?

[BadAssPerformance]

Maybe I want to take advantage of 4th with the gears that are in it :D

[turbovanman²]

Nice JT, :thumb:

And see, there is no way you could run 11's at 15 psi with an 8 valve, :evil:

[Turbo3Iroc]

Made something for ya (http://xse.com/leres/bin/gearratio?title=JT%27s+BadAssPerformance+SRT+Z+3.5 0+gear+160+mph+dream&rpm=6800&mph=80&gear1=3&gear2=1.89&gear3=1.28&gear4=0.94&gear5=0.71&axle=3.50&tire=diameter&diameter=26.00&circumference=81.68&revs=776&section=&profile=&wheel=) :eyebrows:

[turbovanman²]

Made something for ya (http://xse.com/leres/bin/gearratio?title=JT%27s+BadAssPerformance+SRT+Z+3.5 0+gear+160+mph+dream&rpm=6800&mph=80&gear1=3&gear2=1.89&gear3=1.28&gear4=0.94&gear5=0.71&axle=3&tire=diameter&diameter=26.00&circumference=81.68&revs=776&section=&profile=&wheel=) :eyebrows:

Where did you get that, I would love to figure out my rpm on the van, :nod:

[Turbo3Iroc]

I have posted the link to this site before, click calc down the page and change it how you want and bookmark it.

[turbovanman²]

I have posted the link to this site before, click calc down the page and change it how you want and bookmark it.

Oh come on, I've got 22000 posts, and you want me to find it?????????? :confused: ;)

[Turbo3Iroc]

I posted it in one of your threads! You said something about the autos gears not matching up to what it indicates.

[turbovanman²]

I posted it in one of your threads! You said something about the autos gears not matching up to what it indicates.

See above, lol.

I didn't realize you could change it, so I did, damn, :(

I am going to save it now, thanks. :thumb:

[Turbo3Iroc]

It's cool, I didn't realize it for awhile and got to experimenting with it because I was tired of changing the values each time I used it. You can bookmark a different page for every setup you have :thumb:

Here's mine (http://xse.com/leres/bin/gearratio?title=Turbo+3+IROC+3.77+gear&rpm=6800&mph=80&gear1=3.31&gear2=1.89&gear3=1.28&gear4=0.94&gear5=0.71&gear6=0&reverse=0&axle=3.77&tire=diameter&diameter=23&circumference=)

I've found it to be pretty much dead on based on my slips and rpm on my logs when I lift. I know it's different with autos.

[BadAssPerformance]

Nice JT, :thumb:

And see, there is no way you could run 11's at 15 psi with an 8 valve, :evil:

I wouldnt say no way ;)



Made something for ya (http://xse.com/leres/bin/gearratio?title=JT%27s+BadAssPerformance+SRT+Z+3.5 0+gear+160+mph+dream&rpm=6800&mph=80&gear1=3&gear2=1.89&gear3=1.28&gear4=0.94&gear5=0.71&axle=3.50&tire=diameter&diameter=26.00&circumference=81.68&revs=776&section=&profile=&wheel=) :eyebrows:

Nice site there :thumb: I've used Frank's Squirrel Performance gear spreadsheel for a while now, in part why I picked the A568 over the T850 :).

[Turbo3Iroc]

Hmm, mine is for a 568 :nod:
I've been using this one long before the Squirrel Perf was around.

[BadAssPerformance]

I like Frank's sheet cuz it has the graphing so you can see each gear and estimete shift points :thumb:

[Turbo3Iroc]

No Exel:(

[BadAssPerformance]

Really? What are you a Mac guy? ;)

[rx2mazda]

Really? What are you a Mac guy? ;)

FTW!!!!!:thumb:

[Turbo3Iroc]

Really? What are you a Mac guy? ;)

Nope just never needed it for anything.

[BadAssPerformance]

Excel is awesome, like a really cool calculator that has difficulties doing scientific functions, LOL!

[contraption22]

Actually I think it is... why?

The turbo oil pump wants to flow a LOT more oil than a standard 2.4 pump because of the piston squirters in a turbo engine. If I am right in thinking you are using an early 2.4 motor, you will have an excessive pressure condition because of this. My brother just recently upgraded to SRT-4 pump, pan and filter housing and he made so much oil pressure it pushed out the oil pan gasket.

[t3rse]

Nope just never needed it for anything.

open office...free, opens excel files

good point on the oil squirters Mike

[BadAssPerformance]

The turbo oil pump wants to flow a LOT more oil than a standard 2.4 pump because of the piston squirters in a turbo engine. If I am right in thinking you are using an early 2.4 motor, you will have an excessive pressure condition because of this. My brother just recently upgraded to SRT-4 pump, pan and filter housing and he made so much oil pressure it pushed out the oil pan gasket.

Hmmm... that may be it. Early 2.4L and not sure if the Al rods have squirters?

Damn, so how did he lower the oil pressure?

BTW, mine runs lower (30-40 maybe?) oil pressure when warm....

[Austrian Dodge]

the squirtes spray oil on the bottom of the piston to cool it down a bit.
but the stock 2.4 pump flows 12cc and the srt4 flows 15cc...

is that 3cc that much in difference in oil pressure?

[contraption22]

Hmmm... that may be it. Early 2.4L and not sure if the Al rods have squirters?

Damn, so how did he lower the oil pressure?

BTW, mine runs lower (30-40 maybe?) oil pressure when warm....

He hasn't fixed his yet, but supposedly you can upen up the bypass port to compensate. He said he will send pictures when it's done.

[BadAssPerformance]

Cool...

[contraption22]

Cool...

BTW, the piston squirters are on the block, not on the connecting rods. Late 2.4's have an extra oil galley for these squirters.

[Austrian Dodge]

and you can even machine a '96 block and run them ;)
although i doubt that with the width auf those alum. rods you have enough clearance not hitting the squirters...someone check that please :eyebrows:

[BadAssPerformance]

Video uploaded :thumb:

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/showthread.php?p=507998#post507998


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFf5B0bhwtM

[cordes]

Sounds like traction is still a serious issue.

[BadAssPerformance]

1st spun hard enough I short shifted 2nd trying to bog it... didnt work, LOL!

[cordes]

1st spun hard enough I short shifted 2nd trying to bog it... didnt work, LOL!

That is some serious action for 15PSI with slicks.

[Reaper1]

Sounded like it bogged to me!

[2.216VTurbo]

Ha! *Severly* traction limited in 1st, 2nd and a decent little bark in 3rd:thumb: Better keep an eye on your boost controller at SDAC or it may get adjusted above 15 when you're not looking:D

[BadAssPerformance]

Sounded like it bogged to me!

LOL! When? ;)


Ha! *Severly* traction limited in 1st, 2nd and a decent little bark in 3rd:thumb: Better keep an eye on your boost controller at SDAC or it may get adjusted above 15 when you're not looking:D

Oh, the boost will get rased at SDAC ;)

[Reaper1]

After the shift to 2nd it definatly sounded like it bogged pretty good to me. Of course it did pick up! The thing I noticed the most was the eternal amount of time between 1st and 2nd though! :O

[BadAssPerformance]

I really short shifted 2nd (like just past 5k) and it took a bit to get it in gear :(

[Reaper1]

Ah..gotcha

[BadAssPerformance]

5 Runs at SDAC-19... only changes to car since last time out are new WBO2 and plugs...

Run 1 ... 15psi... was 12% leaner than last time out, had to fatten it up... maybe the 10yo WBO2 was bad?

R/T: .781 (didnt notice it was a pro tree fast enough)
60': 1.781
330': 5.121
1/8ET: 7.885
1/8mph: 89.59
1000'ET: 10.231
1/4ET: 12.237
1/4mph: 111.75

Run 2 ... bog launch ... 24psi falling to 15... cleaned boost controller after run

R/T: .189 (practicing pro tree)
60': 2.286 (launched off tree, not rpm, so it bogged :()
330': 5.681
1/8ET: 8.380
1/8mph: 92.86
1000'ET: 10.653
1/4ET: 12.634
1/4mph: 112.55

Run 3 ... 17 psi - didnt turn boost controller in far enough, LOL!

R/T: .392
60': 1.780 (consistently spinning thru 1st each pass)
330': 5.323
1/8ET: 8.086
1/8mph: 90.98
1000'ET: 10.386
1/4ET: 12.338
1/4mph: 115.16

Run 4 ... Last qualifying run for the Q8, turned boost up a little far, spiked to ~32psi, hit 130%DC :eek: in the data log... was breaking up all thru 1st and 2nd until the boost settled down below 30psi... ordered new injectors today :) I was lined up against JamesL in the FWD-P SRT-4 that was holding the 8th spot in the Q8... I ended up qualifying 6th :D I hope someone got this run on video!

Me ................. JamesL

R/T: .240 ................. .375
60': 1.791 ................. 1.852
330': 5.069 ................. 5.255
1/8ET: 7.670 ................. 7.942
1/8mph: 97.61 ................. 92.77
1000'ET: 9.849 .................10.273
1/4ET: 11.700 ................. 12.251
1/4mph: 122.63 ................. 114.38

Run 5 ... Round 1 of Q8 against Pachner... turned boost down a bit due to not having enough injector :( and it didnt matter cuz Rob's car FLIES! :thumb: and I blew off an intercooler hose 1000' :(

Rob ................. Me

R/T: .147 ................. .237
60': 1.789 ................. 1.775
330': 4.872 ................. 4.983
1/8ET: 7.218 ................. 7.646
1/8mph: 106.14 ................. 93.49
1000'ET: 9.186 .................9.913 (Bang! I/C hose blows off)
1/4ET: 10.830 ................. 11.930
1/4mph: 137.38 ................. 106.74

[moparfwdsleeper]

Very nice JT!

[Turbo3Iroc]

Too bad that hose blew off, that run was looking to be your best of the day. I can't believe you were still cutting 1.7s as hard as you were spinning out of the hole.

[BadAssPerformance]

Yeah, that was def the backup pass... Spinning thru the 60' appears to be pretty consistant at least, LOL!

[jckrieger]

Your Z is completely ridiculous! I wonder what it would have run on the last pass if the hose hadn't blown off. I never thought I'd see a mid 11 second streetable G body on all motor!

[BadAssPerformance]

Didnt get a chance to tune much at SDAC-19 so i went to Grove today for a few 15psi shakedown runs

Run #1 15PSI cams straight up... something is fishy about this run!?

R/T: .035
60': 1.399 <=== I don't believe this $#!+
330': 4.743
1/8ET: 7.49
1/8mph: 90.50
1000'ET: 9.828
1/4ET: 12.286
1/4mph: 112.54

Run #2 15 PSI missed 2nd

R/T: -.049
60': 1.829
330': 5.367
1/8ET: 8.223
1/8mph: 86.90
1000'ET: 10.639
1/4ET: 12.679
1/4mph: 110.05

Run #3 15 PSI Cams +2/-1

R/T: .161
60': 1.787
330': 5.042
1/8ET: 7.793
1/8mph: 90.26
1000'ET: 10.140
1/4ET: 12.146 (best ET on 15psi)
1/4mph: 111.84

Run #4 15 PSI Cams +2/-1 ...missed 3rd

R/T: .245
60': 1.812
330': 5.107
1/8ET: 8.010
1/8mph: 86.28
1000'ET: 10.433
1/4ET: 12.468
1/4mph: 110.19

....more fuel injector on the way :D

[blk86trbo]

I dunno JT...on your 1.399 60 footer your 330' and 1.8th miles times are quite a bit lower too! Way to go with your efforts!

[BadAssPerformance]

I didnt get in-car video of that run to see if I staged with the rear tires or anything stupid, LOL!!!

But lancer 402 just send me video of the 11.700 from SDAC-19

THANK YOU!!! :hail:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWliu9ATQ_M

EDIT: Oh yeah, it was STARVING for fuel in 1st and 2nd at 30psi... I'll get the in-car video ULed soon!

[blk86trbo]

Cordes is in that video too!

[2.216VTurbo]

Ack! Another Sasquatch sighting!:p

Lancer 402, did you shoot that? Nicely done, camera is still, both cars show the entire track and you shot both boards at the end. You could give lessons on drag vids:clap:

1.39 huh? Any McDonalds wrappers blowing around near the start line JT?:lol:?

[turbovanman²]

Nicely done, :thumb:

Interesting on the cams, you consistantly dropped .1 and lost 2 mph? :confused.

Thats sweet, +15 psi and no fuel equals .5 and 10 mph, :lol:

[BadAssPerformance]

Ack! Another Sasquatch sighting!:p

Lancer 402, did you shoot that? Nicely done, camera is still, both cars show the entire track and you shot both boards at the end. You could give lessons on drag vids:clap:

1.39 huh? Any McDonalds wrappers blowing around near the start line JT?:lol:?

They are all over the place, LOL!

Agreed, awesome videography :thumb:

I thought that too, but that wrapper mush have been in front for the 1st half of th etrack... I dont remmeber seeing any squirrels running in front of me ;)


Nicely done, :thumb:

Interesting on the cams, you consistantly dropped .1 and lost 2 mph? :confused.

Thats sweet, +15 psi and no fuel equals .5 and 10 mph, :lol:

Yeah, I need to look at all the 15psi runs to see if the cams did anything...

at 30psi it was over 100% DC all thru 1st and most of 2nd :o

[cordes]

You are currently running 72s correct? I'm impressed with how many folks are maxing those out these days. It seems like it was only a couple years ago when many thought it foolish to go to the 72s in the first place.

Also, those Sasqatch are everywhere. :thumb:

[Turbo3Iroc]

Didnt get a chance to tune much at SDAC-19 so i went to Grove today for a few 15psi shakedown runs

Run #1 15PSI cams straight up... something is fishy about this run!?

R/T: .035
60': 1.399 <=== I don't believe this $#!+
330': 4.743
1/8ET: 7.49
1/8mph: 90.50
1000'ET: 9.828
1/4ET: 12.286
1/4mph: 112.54

Run #2 15 PSI missed 2nd

R/T: -.049
60': 1.829
330': 5.367
1/8ET: 8.223
1/8mph: 86.90
1000'ET: 10.639
1/4ET: 12.679
1/4mph: 110.05

Run #3 15 PSI Cams +2/-1

R/T: .161
60': 1.787
330': 5.042
1/8ET: 7.793
1/8mph: 90.26
1000'ET: 10.140
1/4ET: 12.146 (best ET on 15psi)
1/4mph: 111.84

Run #4 15 PSI Cams +2/-1 ...missed 3rd

R/T: .245
60': 1.812
330': 5.107
1/8ET: 8.010
1/8mph: 86.28
1000'ET: 10.433
1/4ET: 12.468
1/4mph: 110.19

....more fuel injector on the way :D

I'm going to go along with the suggestion that you may have staged the rear tires on the first run. Based on your average 60' of the other 3 runs it yields about a 1.8, a .4 difference. On your 330 it is also about .4 secs faster than your other 2 clean runs. The 1/8 times also put it right on par once you add in the 4 tenths. Also the mph is right on with run #3.

[BadAssPerformance]

You are currently running 72s correct? I'm impressed with how many folks are maxing those out these days. It seems like it was only a couple years ago when many thought it foolish to go to the 72s in the first place.

Also, those Sasqatch are everywhere. :thumb:

Yep, 72's... at 15psi they sit right at 80% DC at 11.5:1...


I'm going to go along with the suggestion that you may have staged the rear tires on the first run. Based on your average 60' of the other 3 runs it yields about a 1.8, a .4 difference. On your 330 it is also about .4 secs faster than your other 2 clean runs. The 1/8 times also put it right on par once you add in the 4 tenths. Also the mph is right on with run #3.

Yeah, thats what I'm guessing... funny cuz i was spectating while letting the car cool down and saw them catch someone else doing that. Not much room between the water and staging beams at Grove.

[SebringLX]

What's your race weight? I wouldn't think that car could weigh more than ~3000lbs with you in it... That being said, your ET and Trap Speed only put you in the ~400HP (crank?) range. With the 72lb injectors you have, you should be pushing the max of your turbo before you're running out of injector...

60-1 Stage 3 is good for ~550HP (crank) right? You should be able to to push ~525HP (crank) before you start running out of injector. Is 30psi maxing that turbo out? I guess if you were at the turbo's max and running out of fuel, you weren't making as much power as you really could have been... so bigger injectors and you'll pick up a lot of power when you're fuel is happy.

Put some 1600cc injectors in there, then you'll have more than enough fuel for E-85 with ~300cc of wiggle room. :thumb:

[BadAssPerformance]

It was 2715lb race weight in Cincy... est. 400whp (not cph) ... at 30psi it said 130% DC and got up to 12.7:1 A/F :eek: 120pph squirters on the way :D

[Aries_Turbo]

what header are you running JT? i forget.

Brian

[BadAssPerformance]

what header are you running JT? i forget.

Brian

Ported stocker.... oh wait, my bad... OBX... not the best but it works ok

http://www.badassperformance.com/mrides/z/08_specs/obx24header.jpg

[BadAssPerformance]

The scary data log... look at the %DC :eek:

[contraption22]

JT, i remember you were trying to explain to me how over 100% duty cycle was possible on Monday night after the drags, but I was kinda.... not sober. Plus I was hypnotized by the "sleek styling" of the all new Dodge Dynasty. Could you try it again?

[Pat]

The cal calls for the injector to be open for more time than the injector actually has to be open.

[cordes]

JT, i remember you were trying to explain to me how over 100% duty cycle was possible on Monday night after the drags, but I was kinda.... not sober. Plus I was hypnotized by the "sleek styling" of the all new Dodge Dynasty. Could you try it again?

Did you get a load of that new oil pan liner? That is more impressive than the sleek styling or the roller followers with needle bearings. ;)

[BadAssPerformance]

JT, i remember you were trying to explain to me how over 100% duty cycle was possible on Monday night after the drags, but I was kinda.... not sober. Plus I was hypnotized by the "sleek styling" of the all new Dodge Dynasty. Could you try it again?


The cal calls for the injector to be open for more time than the injector actually has to be open.

LOL, thats kind of it... obviosly the injector cannot go over 100%, but the cal was trying to. The 11.5:1 a/f was compromized due to this and it got up to 12.7:1 :eek:

[contraption22]

Did you get a load of that new oil pan liner? That is more impressive than the sleek styling or the roller followers with needle bearings. ;)

The i was so awestruck by the roller followers, I passed out and spilled my beer into my shoe.

[BadAssPerformance]

The i was so awestruck by the roller followers, I passed out and spilled my beer into my shoe.

LOL... tru dat!

[cordes]

In all seriousness, those videos are a great reference with some info I didn't know about the cars.

[SebringLX]

It was 2715lb race weight in Cincy... est. 400whp (not cph) ... at 30psi it said 130% DC and got up to 12.7:1 A/F :eek: 120pph squirters on the way :D

Should be almost an 11 flat at weight with that power... I predict breaking into the 10's once you get the new injectors and get everything dialed in. :thumb:

[BadAssPerformance]

That would kickass :)

[rx2mazda]

here's the view i captured..............


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVrf61uqC9U

[BadAssPerformance]

Sweet! :thumb:

[Reaper1]

Call me an idiot, but why did it start smoking?

[contraption22]

Call me an idiot, but why did it start smoking?

Peer pressure. One of it's 3.0 V6 ES Daytona buddies made it look so cool.

[BadAssPerformance]

Peer pressure. One of it's 3.0 V6 ES Daytona buddies made it look so cool.

ROFLMAO!!! :lol:

It got HOT during that run... maybe piston tops? :eek:

[Reaper1]

Peer pressure. One of it's 3.0 V6 ES Daytona buddies made it look so cool.

Ha...ha...so funny....:confused: