My Van's 2.5 TIII project log

[turbovanman²]

After being messed around for pistons, going with Cindy's Venolia's. Pistons and main bearings are off to the coaters in Auburn, had the rod bearings and turbine housing coated already.
I am just doing some head cleanup and take apart my spare block to deburr, the oil pump hole mod and a general once over.

Will post pics as I go along, I hope to get her running in the next month or so, :thumb:

[turbovanman²]

Well that came to a screeching halt, the standard bore block I was going to use is cracked. Going to have to try and find a good used block on Monday, sigh!!! :(

[Shelby~Babe]

Awe, good luck to you :)



Yay I'm the second person posting

[Speedeuphoria]

Are these the off the shelf 8.0CR? Are you still using the eagle rods?

[turbovanman²]

Are these the off the shelf 8.0CR? Are you still using the eagle rods?

Yeah, there her left over 2.5 TIII pistons, I would guess around 8:1 but the block will be decked, the head is milled and I am using a thin cometic so I would guess around 8.5:1 which is what I want.
Yep, still using the Eagles, :nod:

[moparfwdsleeper]

What times are you expecting to get now that its going to be TIII powered?

What tranny are you going with?

[turbovanman²]

What times are you expecting to get now that its going to be TIII powered?

What tranny are you going with?


I figure it will run low 12's or even 11's if I get it tuned correctly. Going with my built trans and a real TC I got off Russ Jerome.

Over winter, going to go with MicroTech for the engine management, he can dial it in next door on the dyno, :D

[moparfwdsleeper]

sounds nice. There is a local guy in Oklahoma building his mini to break the current record. roachjuice knows him alot more then I do.

[turbovanman²]

sounds nice. There is a local guy in Oklahoma building his mini to break the current record. roachjuice knows him alot more then I do.

Yeah, not going for any records, just some fun and fuel economy, need to wake up the ricers this year, :thumb:

[turbovanman²]

sounds nice. There is a local guy in Oklahoma building his mini to break the current record. roachjuice knows him alot more then I do.

Yeah, not going for any records, just some fun and fuel economy, need to wake up the ricers this year, :thumb: If as an added bonus, it goes fast, it will do it with full weight and A/C, :partywoot:

[Will Martin]

Simon, let me know if you need a motor, I got a FULL 2.5 T1 in my garage I'm looking to get rid of. I'm trying to clear out all my 8v stuff as well.

[dds78910]

All this talk about 16v conversions is making me really want to build one. :eyebrows:

[turbovanman²]

Will, you have a PM.

Yeah, I've been excited about a 16 valve minivan for years, :nod:

One of my parts vans is being cut apart right now, I need a removable bench seat in my full size Chevy van for the little one, so I figured use the minivan's floor setup and bench seat, then I can take it out when I don't need it. Holy crap, been at it for a few hours and still trying to remove the floor mounts. I thought the whole job would take me 4 hours, wrong!!!!! :banghead:

[Devsdaytona]

I can't wait to see how it turns out, looks like your having plenty of unavoidable setbacks.

[turbovanman²]

Well the block is at the machine shop, pistons are here. Bought some red adjustable cam gears, traded some Eagle rods and money and a few other nicknacks from Cindy. Getting a Cometic, exhaust flex pipe and got my cams, rocker arms, shafts cryoed and treated from TU.

Heres some pics to start if you haven't seen my other threads.

Coated pistons, bearings and turbine housing from www.performancecoatings.com

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[87glhs232]

OOOOOOOOOoooooooo!!!!!! Me likey! I had no idea you could coat bearings. I learned something new today.

[turbovanman²]

OOOOOOOOOoooooooo!!!!!! Me likey! I had no idea you could coat bearings. I learned something new today.

I figured what the hell, it was cheap. Extra piece of mind. When I get the external wastegate setup and the DP modded if needed, going to get it coated with the Jethot coating, :amen:

[88_pacifica]

OOOOOOOOOoooooooo!!!!!! Me likey! I had no idea you could coat bearings. I learned something new today.

It won't wear down the crank journals will it? I know that ceramic is super hard and strong whereas the bearings are designed to wear not the block and crank. This may be a new path we should all take if successful... hmmm....

[turbovanman²]

It won't wear down the crank journals will it? I know that ceramic is super hard and strong whereas the bearings are designed to wear not the block and crank. This may be a new path we should all take if successful... hmmm....

Nope, its super slippery, its so if for some reason you have no oil pressure, the crank wont' get chewed up and the bearings won't get beaten to a pulp. Of course, they won't last without oil, just help it live whereas normally, they would be hammered and gone.

[88_pacifica]

that's 'uber cool then... may need to do that to the GN rebuild this winter... hmm... good thinking! :thumb:

[Speedeuphoria]

what rods are you using if you got rid of the eagles?

[turbovanman²]

what rods are you using if you got rid of the eagles?



Eagles, Cindy's are setup for .927 pins, so I traded her and some money so it works out alot faster for me as mine were going to be redone but WTH. :nod:

[turbovanman²]

Engine still at the machine shop, they couldn't find me any guides so Cindy sent some 2 day mail. Also picked up some other goodies, already had the valley cover from before.
Hopefully getting the engine built before I go on holidays next week then when I get back, pull some allnighters to get it running in a week. :confused: :clap:

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Eagle rods with the .927 pin.

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I found some nice stainless allen head bolts for the valve covers and valley cover.

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[NeonShowCar]

Those rods look nice, mind me asking what's a set of rods go for now? When I built that long rod engine (7yrs ago) I had Cunningham make me up custom rods, seem to remember they were around $120 each or $480 / set.

[turbovanman²]

Honestly not sure, I got them from Ebay for $220 shipped brand new with the .866 pin-totally fluked out. I see them for $318 + shipping all the time. Cindy made a deal with me for mine and I got hers. Chris sells K1rods which were my next choice at $550 a set and both have Carillo's for $1500 I think.

[86GLHS]

lookin good simon can't wait to see her all put together

[WOP'R]

wow awsome job!..i gotta get my --- in gear!

[Vigo]

keep posting pics this is getting exciting!

[moparfwdsleeper]

time to go put work in on the shadow!

[Ondonti]

how much to the clearances change when you coat the bearings?

[turbovanman²]

how much to the clearances change when you coat the bearings?

They don't, same as the pistons, almost immeasurable.

[Dusty_Duster]

Sweeet. I need to get me some adjustable cam gears like that. :D

[Turbo224]

Looking good simon. Keep the pictures coming!

[turbovanman²]

Finally coming together. Got the block back so I spent 4 hours today debring the inside, coolant passages as far as I could, opened up the oil pump hole and I like to remove the sharp ridge inside the oil filter area, port matched the coolant hole, drilled and tapped the PCV and connected 2 passages. Then cleaned off all the old paint with a wire wheel, die grinder, cleaned and painted it.

Block was decked, bored, align bored and new intermediate shaft bearings installed.

I get the head back on Monday, Chris sent my cams for Wednesday and I picked up my waterpump and Cometic head gasket today from Cindy.

This week will be busy cleaning, painting and getting it ready to run next week.

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[Directconnection]

They don't, same as the pistons, almost immeasurable.

Whoa! Who the heck told you that?

The coating on my JEs added .001" a side from swain (.002" total)

I cannot remember how much the calico coatings add on the bearings as I didn't have mine done (but we do it at work on some engines), but I will guess about .0005" total.

[Directconnection]

Simon, all the de-burring should have been done before sending the block to your machinist. Now, you take the chance of getting crap into the oil passages. Just one tiny chip out of the hundreds of thousands from your tool is all it takes to score your crank, or cam journals in the head. Don't want to know what it would do to the turbo.

So.... get a few cans of brake cleaner and I'd blast the crap out of all the oil passages. If you don't have the plugs in the block, run a long bottle brush through the oil feeds on the sides of the block as well. After all that, then what we do is simply use dawn dish soap and hot water and a big bottle brush as well for the bores. This gets out all the miniscule grit from the honing proccesses as the kick arse pressure washers everyone uses never totally gets this out.

[turbovanman²]

Whoa! Who the heck told you that?

The coating on my JEs added .001" a side from swain (.002" total)

I cannot remember how much the calico coatings add on the bearings as I didn't have mine done (but we do it at work on some engines), but I will guess about .0005" total.

Performance Coatings told me, I think they should know, ;)


Simon, all the de-burring should have been done before sending the block to your machinist. Now, you take the chance of getting crap into the oil passages. Just one tiny chip out of the hundreds of thousands from your tool is all it takes to score your crank, or cam journals in the head. Don't want to know what it would do to the turbo.

So.... get a few cans of brake cleaner and I'd blast the crap out of all the oil passages. If you don't have the plugs in the block, run a long bottle brush through the oil feeds on the sides of the block as well. After all that, then what we do is simply use dawn dish soap and hot water and a big bottle brush as well for the bores. This gets out all the miniscule grit from the honing proccesses as the kick arse pressure washers everyone uses never totally gets this out.


It has no oil galley plugs and yes, I scrubbed the block with soap and water, a brush and lots of elbow grease followed by a thorough washing with water, blowed dry, followed by brake cleaner and some more blow drying. I've been building engines for along time, over 25 years, :thumb:

[Vigo]

pics plz

[turbovanman²]

pics plz

Of what? :confused:

[Directconnection]

Of what? :confused:

Your wife perhaps?

[iTurbo]

You're going to need to open up the water pump hole for the TIII coolant deflector too! Looks good.

[turbovanman²]

Your wife perhaps?

They've been posted numerous times, he just has to search, ;) :D


You're going to need to open up the water pump hole for the TIII coolant deflector too! Looks good.


DAMN. I forgot about that, I hope I did remove enough it will fit otherwise I have to tape everything off and grind out the hole, :mad: :censored:

[Vigo]

Of what?

actually, i was on dial-up last time i checked this thread. those pics never loaded, i didnt even know they were there! lol

[turbovanman²]

actually, i was on dial-up last time i checked this thread. those pics never loaded, i didnt even know they were there! lol


DOH! ;)

[Big_P]

A wee bit off topic here, but Simon, I hope you built the mother-of-all-transmissions transmission for this thing :D

[turbovanman²]

A wee bit off topic here, but Simon, I hope you built the mother-of-all-transmissions transmission for this thing :D

I hope I did, :clap:

[RoadWarrior222]

JB Weld strengthening fillets on everything from what I hear, sprayed the clutchpacks with 3M headliner mounting stuff for extra grip, bent the fins in the TC with needle nose pliers REAL carefully for 3000 rpm stall, cross drilled every part of his OBX for reduced rotational inertia, bored out every hole in the valve body with a 1/4 inch drill bit, and is now as we speak filling it with a secret recipe "trick" fluid containing varsol, zippo fluid, extra virgin olive oil and a teaspoon of ford type F.

(p.s. Just kidding about the needle nose pliers thing, I think he used a hammer)

:p





:bolt:

[turbovanman²]

You guys keep giving away my secrets, :mecry: ;)

[RoadWarrior222]

Aha, confirmed! No-one would tell me that secret teaspoon of final ingredient, but there was a rumor it was type-F.

But anyhoo, you trying that line pressure bleed hole this time?

[turbovanman²]

Aha, confirmed! No-one would tell me that secret teaspoon of final ingredient, but there was a rumor it was type-F.

But anyhoo, you trying that line pressure bleed hole this time?

Maybe later. I finally have my trans shifting where I want so I don't feel like playing around with it after I get it running.

[turbovanman²]

Got the short block together, woot. Those Eagle rods are sexy, :thumb:

Put the head on tomorrow, paint and bolt on all the accessories, then hopefully my cams etc will be in Wed morning, grab them, put it all together and put the engine in Friday. I need it running for early next week as I have 2 Street Legals left then its over until April 08, :mecry:

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[88_pacifica]

I see your planning on using the oil pan gasket? Is that the most commonly used method or is it RTV? I noticed in the MP book Volume 4 they use RTV...

Interesting

[turbovanman²]

I see your planning on using the oil pan gasket? Is that the most commonly used method or is it RTV? I noticed in the MP book Volume 4 they use RTV...

Interesting

You can get a one piece, molded rubber oil pan gasket for the CB's. Check out the FAQ's for a part number. I hate oil leaks.

[88_pacifica]

You can get a one piece, molded rubber oil pan gasket for the CB's. Check out the FAQ's for a part number. I hate oil leaks.

Well, I mean, WTF?? :rolleyes: :( :banghead: How come this isn't like a rite of passage that should be common knowledge? This should be in the mandatory knowledge area... I've been dicking with an oilpan gasket leak and RTV for like a month GD-it!! I tried to fix the thing like 3 times... :eek: :confused: :confused2:


edit: Damm.. that thing is $90.. whew... oh well

[mcsvt]

I'm using the 4 piecer... no leaks :) Even put it on upside down :eyebrows:

[RoadWarrior222]

si teh funnay.... I usually never have leak problems unless there is a gasket involved. I use the ultra black on everything. :nod: I'm anal about cleaning up the surfaces right and applying as directed, because I hate messing with RTV and never want to have to do that bit again.... sounds perverse, but I spend longer doing stuff I hate doing, just to make triple sure it's a good job and it will be a lonnnnng time before I have to do it again. :amen: ... theoretically.

I'm trying to remember why I use the ultra black on everything, think I had issues with the blue stuff and the red stuff before, but can't remember precisely what and why. That was back in the early 90s, got a vague idea it was blue stuff that wouldn't seal on a thermostat housing and red stuff wouldn't work on a valve cover. Then somehow figured the black stuff works on everything and used that for everything ever since. Even remember it holding a 3 bolt thermostat housing on one motor (different one than the blue stuff failed) where 2 of the three bolts were stripped and it was just hanging on one. Was meant to be temporary, but it worked and I forgot about it for months.

Whoops. </threadjack> Umm, nice gasket you got there Simon :thumb:

[turbovanman²]

Well, I mean, WTF?? :rolleyes: :( :banghead: How come this isn't like a rite of passage that should be common knowledge? This should be in the mandatory knowledge area... I've been dicking with an oilpan gasket leak and RTV for like a month GD-it!! I tried to fix the thing like 3 times... :eek: :confused: :confused2:


edit: Damm.. that thing is $90.. whew... oh well


There not $90, even retail around here but even if they were, worth every penny. Never quite liked putting pieces of oil pan gasket together upside down dripping with oil, :(

[88_pacifica]

Never quite liked putting pieces of oil pan gasket together upside down dripping with oil, :(

EXACTLY!!

[turbovanman²]

Got the head flowed today, then put it on, painted and put all the accessories on, replaced all the ex manny studs and installed the coated manny. I am getting really tired of cleaning and painting, :(

Hopefully pic up my cams and rocker arms tomorrow, install and degree them, clean and paint the power steering bracket, then hopefully have the motor ready to go in on Thursday.

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[88_pacifica]

How did it flow? Significantly better?

edit: nevermind... I see the thread now... :nod:

[overlordsshadow]

What a sexy motor.

[iTurbo]

Simon, how's the clearance between the distributor cap and intake manifold flange on the head? Looks like it could be tight with the knock sensor in place.

[turbovanman²]

Simon, how's the clearance between the distributor cap and intake manifold flange on the head? Looks like it could be tight with the knock sensor in place.


I have to move the knock sensor, no room there for it. The coil wire is in the way, :(

Now to figure out where?

[iTurbo]

Maybe somewhere on the intake manifold? That's what Chrysler usually does it seems.

[turbovanman²]

Spent all last night on it, aprox 10 hours. More cleaning, painting and putting the head together. Found the exhaust cam a little tight but figured it will loosen up. One of the studs for the cam locators was missing so I install one, as I am gently tightening it down, SNAP. F*CK. So drill it out and go to retap it when SNAP. F8CK!!!!!!! :mad: Try to remove it, no go and it snaps again. Then try to drill it and SNAP. At this point, pretty well crying and ready to give up. :mecry:Theres enough meat so I drill next to it, elongate the retainer hole and use a bolt with some loctite. Worked perfectly. :D

Installed rocker arms and I set the cam timing-cams were out a few degrees, what a learning curve, ack. After that, I could feel it tightening up so it comes apart and the exhaust cam is really tight, so spend 3-4 hours with a bar hone going thru the cam bearings until finally the cam is nice to spin. Got one valve cover on then have to helicoil one of the rocker arm retaining bolt threads and put the other one on. Then mount the turbo, and install the engine tonight. More pics later, it was late when I got home.

[Vigo]

s I am gently tightening it down, SNAP. F*CK. So drill it out and go to retap it when SNAP. F8CK!!!!!!! Try to remove it, no go and it snaps again. Then try to drill it and SNAP. At this point, pretty well crying and ready to give up.

jeeeez ... snicker. :p

[overlordsshadow]

Good job Simon. I want to hear audio clips or see vids of this beast starting up.

[88_pacifica]

.... One of the studs for the cam locators was missing so I install one, as I am gently tightening it down, SNAP. F*CK. So drill it out and go to retap it when SNAP. F8CK!!!!!!! :mad: Try to remove it, no go and it snaps again. Then try to drill it and SNAP. At this point, pretty well crying and ready to give up....

Sounds like the TD mayhem has already started... ;) :lol:

Hmm... it's about time for another giveaway... :thumb: :nod:

Everybody pick a number for the EXACT amount of days this thing will stay running when he gets it all done and in 'ye old van. I get to go first...

46 days... :eek:

Who's next? :D :clap:




:banplease:

[RoadWarrior222]

Last twice I got drill bits or taps stuck in holes I have managed to pound wire nails in either side and back them out with vice grips. Not that that does you much good now. I try and remember to use enough oil in aluminum and alloy so this doesn't happen. Damn stuff will just snag like that.

Hope those cams don't give you grief when the motor is warm, (not that you can do much different anyway) at least you had the sense to hone it after you torqued the head down it sounds like. If I could still turn it by a hand grip on the sprocket, I'd have figured I'd just load it up with cam lube, or moly grease, and let it run in. If it was making noise while trying to force it round with some leverage, then yup, needed doing. Little bit of extra clearance shouldn't be a problem though, these are meant to run with plenty of oil up top aren't they?

Don't mind us ragging you to git-r-done, it's meant as encouragement, not tryna fluster you into screwing it up.

[turbovanman²]

I thought about letting it go too, lol, but it got really tight so I was like, easier now than later.

Also, finding out the difference in brackets etc between 8 valve and 16 valve. I reused my right side engine mount bracket, painted etc but won't clear the intake cam gear so had to clean and paint the TIII one. There are 3 ps bolts, one on the side of the head where the idler pulley should go and 2 large ones at the back of the block, well with the 8 valve int gear, the belt goes right over the head hole so I cut a stud down so it locates the pump, the other 2 are pretty beefy so it should be fine. I also can't run the lower cover again as the pulley is too big.

[88_pacifica]

Don't mind us ragging you to git-r-done, it's meant as encouragement, not tryna fluster you into screwing it up.

We only do it cause we care... ;) I mean it helps the rest of us feel better because we can always say... "well, it could be worse... I mean look at what happened to..." Well, you get the idea... :D :thumb:

[turbovanman²]

I gotta say, I should have run 16 valve along time ago. I can't believe the room under the hood, I don't know the 8 valves are so cluttered but man, I could live in there. Its also so nice to install and remove the turbo in 5 mins, :p I had Aurora make me some wires, to clear the head-thanks guys. :amen:

I am hoping to have it running Tuesday. Intake should be here tomorrow, Rob's burning me a cal. This is gonna be fun, :thumb: Its almost too pretty to be in there, :o

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[Turbo224]

Wow, that looks REALLY nice! I wish my build went that fast! What turbo are you using? Where did you get the oil cap from?

*edit* Ah ha! Thats what looks weird. No idler pulley!

[88_pacifica]

I must say, it does look good... hmmm

[RoadWarrior222]

Looking real nice! :thumb:

Does look lost in there, gets you thinking.... I wonder if I could get two in there... lol ... just need to find someone to make a custom crank and bottom end... 32V V8, 600HP....

Awwww, that oil filter is gonna dribble all down your shiny block every time you change it. Looks like you need to be careful where you route the IC piping too so you don't bury it.

Hope your PS lines reach, by eyeball it looks like the pumps gonna be a little higher... but then the motors tilted back a bit so hard to tell.

[dds78910]

I am speechless, I dont know what to say. It looks really Good!:hail: :thumb:

[overlordsshadow]

Great job there Simon.

[2.216VTurbo]

Simon, now you can be more than just our post leader here;) It is looking awesome but:needpics1: (just change pcs to sound bite;) ) Let's hear it!!

[Dusty_Duster]

Nice work! I didn't realize how much "smaller" the 16V head was.

[SwiftTech]

hey Simon, is it just me or does the timing belt not look centered on the intermediate shaft sprocket? In the first pics it looks like it is too far to the left, and in the third pic it almost looks like it is hanging off the end of the sporcket by a little. I know you have a handle on things but it just looked wierd to me. Great looking motor though:thumb:

[turbovanman²]

Wow, that looks REALLY nice! I wish my build went that fast! What turbo are you using? Where did you get the oil cap from?

*edit* Ah ha! Thats what looks weird. No idler pulley!

I have lots of those oil caps, need one? $15 plus shipping, ;)

Its a 60 trim, stage 3 turbine, external wastegate. :clap:


Looking real nice! :thumb:


Awwww, that oil filter is gonna dribble all down your shiny block every time you change it. Looks like you need to be careful where you route the IC piping too so you don't bury it.

Hope your PS lines reach, by eyeball it looks like the pumps gonna be a little higher... but then the motors tilted back a bit so hard to tell.

The oil filter leaks like that on all 2.2/2.5's, sucks but oh well.

PS lines fit perfectly, there the same length as my stock one. I just used a 88 Shadow with the ZF pump but in retrospect, could have used a TIII line also. I had a used one but didn't want to use it.


hey Simon, is it just me or does the timing belt not look centered on the intermediate shaft sprocket? In the first pics it looks like it is too far to the left, and in the third pic it almost looks like it is hanging off the end of the sporcket by a little. I know you have a handle on things but it just looked wierd to me. Great looking motor though:thumb:


Yeah, I am using an 8valve intermediate sprocket to its thinner than the TIII belt. I think Mike Radowski has run this and its fine, durability wise. I was getting a custom correct one made but he disapeared off the face of the planet. :(


Next kink is the intake, gonna be hard making it work and using the IC is the spot its in, the lower hose connection is gonna be a PITA.

[iTurbo]

Wow that was fast!! I hope everything goes that fast for me once I have all my parts. Very very cool to see this combo come together. You're figuring everything out for me:thumb:

[turbovanman²]

Wow that was fast!! I hope everything goes that fast for me once I have all my parts. Very very cool to see this combo come together. You're figuring everything out for me:thumb:

I wouldn't call it fast, just working stupid hours. Have been working everynight until 1-2 am and Wed night, lost track of time and left work at close to 4 am, :wow1:

The intake is here so I'll go pick up it and see what mods are needed to make it work. I figure I have 3 or so hours of wiring mods to do, then vacuum rerouting etc. sigh!

[Lotashelbys]

Simon,I would chamfer the edges of the 8valve I-shaft gear so it dont start to eat up your belt. Remember,im the guy thats been running that I-shaft on a TIII for about a year now:D

[turbovanman²]

Simon,I would chamfer the edges of the 8valve I-shaft gear so it dont start to eat up your belt. Remember,im the guy thats been running that I-shaft on a TIII for about a year now:D

I did that, I noticed they were sharp and sticking up, :clap: Thanks for bringing it up for others. Wish that guy who was making me one had made me one, :(


I got nothing done this weekend, bike racing at my local track. Finished up in a bunch of 3rds, 4th's and one 5th when I blew the start but playing catch up with a shagged rear tire and done brakes, did a personal best, :clap:

[overlordsshadow]

Not the kind of thing we want to hear on a Monday morning Simon. I'll have my new engine done before you at this point.

[2.216VTurbo]

I did that, I noticed they were sharp and sticking up, :clap: Thanks for bringing it up for others. Wish that guy who was making me one had made me one, :(


I got nothing done this weekend, bike racing at my local track. Finished up in a bunch of 3rds, 4th's and one 5th when I blew the start but playing catch up with a shagged rear tire and done brakes, did a personal best, :clap:


I think I missed something Simon, someone is (was) doing a run of custome I shafts or are you talking about the gear? Here is the lightwieght shaft I am running in one motor, need to get MockGLH to make a couple more:clap:

[Directconnection]

Those look to be modified stock shafts, right?

[turbovanman²]

I think I missed something Simon, someone is (was) doing a run of custome I shafts or are you talking about the gear? Here is the lightwieght shaft I am running in one motor, need to get MockGLH to make a couple more:clap:

Talking about the gear but nice shaft man, :confused: :clap:

[overlordsshadow]

Only on a car forum would one guy telling another guy about 'nice shafts' be found to be a suitable topic.

[Lotashelbys]

Im gonna just take an exhaust cam gear and cut out the center and take an 8valve I-shaft and cut out the center and bolt the two together to make a nice full size TIII I-shaft gear. Wait a minute,I was gonna do that 2 years ago! I wish I had time to do this sh!t!

BTW: Alan,I like your shaft:p Oooo,thats sound so bad:D

[turbovanman²]

Im gonna just take an exhaust cam gear and cut out the center and take an 8valve I-shaft and cut out the center and bolt the two together to make a nice full size TIII I-shaft gear. Wait a minute,I was gonna do that 2 years ago! I wish I had time to do this sh!t!

BTW: Alan,I like your shaft:p Oooo,thats sound so bad:D

Yeah, I could have done that but getting sick of it already, :(

Shaft, heheheehe, :confused: :clap:


So tonight, spent 6 hours making up the DP and then welding in a flex pipe. I hate doing exhaust and it took me forever to figure out how to clear the power steering rack line/fitting for the return. :mad:

Put my zinc plated, cross drilled and slotted rotors on. I had just put on some Tire Rack Ceramic pads before it broke so we will see how they work. I bought some Ake Bono ceramic pads mega cheap locally so they'll go on in a few weeks, too lazy right now.

Got my intake from Phaxtris half finished as his welder broke, so test fit it and the Rotary guys are welding it up for tomorrow. Pics when I get home.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a228/turbovanman/TIII%20engine%20build%20pics/Canoncamerapics060.jpg

You can see in this pic the line I am talking about---

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a228/turbovanman/TIII%20engine%20build%20pics/Canoncamerapics061.jpg

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[WOP'R]

WOW....you're almost there!!

[turbovanman²]

WOW....you're almost there!!

Tonight, I'll lengthen and modify the wiring, hopefully fit the intake, figure out the IC piping and start it up. I hope to have it running on Wednesday and dyno it Thursday. There calling for rain all day Friday, :mecry:

[Directconnection]

goog luck!

[turbovanman²]

goog luck!


Huh? :confused: :clap: :lol:

[Directconnection]

Huh? :confused: :clap: :lol:

It's scandanavian for go fark yourself!

Just kidding, of course.

[turbovanman²]

It's scandanavian for go fark yourself!

Just kidding, of course.

Gotcha, ;)

Today, rounded up my elbows, adapters and such for the IC piping. Hopefully I'll get that installed tonight. Only bummer is, the connectors are blue, :(

[WVRampage]

It will be ok Im sure you can find some that are another color.

[turbovanman²]

Well I got the outet to IC tubing done, mounted my Talon valve on that section as well. Lengthed some wires and thats it for now, can't do anything else until my intake gets done.
Have to make a spacer for the external wastegate tomorrow, it sits lower than the pipe. :(

No pics as I had to take it apart again to weld on the bov flange.

[cj011]

Simon,

Great work. I just stumbled on this thread. Okay I have a big simple question. What do I have to do for the pulleys and intermediate shafts to run a tIII head on a common block with a distributor? Thanks a million chris

Just so you know that I am not wasting your time. I do have a spare tIII head. I am saving the funds to do the project. :)

[turbovanman²]

Simon,

Great work. I just stumbled on this thread. Okay I have a big simple question. What do I have to do for the pulleys and intermediate shafts to run a tIII head on a common block with a distributor? Thanks a million chris

Just so you know that I am not wasting your time. I do have a spare tIII head. I am saving the funds to do the project. :)


No problem. You need to use all the TIII timing belt components but you don't use the idler by the power steering pump. I also had to cut the head off a bolt and use it as a dowel to attach the pump and engine bracket to the block. You can see in one of the photo's what I mean. You need to use an 8 valve or 16 valve int shaft-there basically the same, 8 valve int gear but ground off the edges as they stick up and are sharp, and use the 16 valve engine bracket or notch your 8 valve as the timing gears are wider. I had a guy who was going to make me a TIII int gear but I can't get ahold of him and he has my TIII cam gears, :(
You will need ALL the TIII accessories as no 8 valve stuff fits. I am sure with time and talent, you might be able to fit other stuff but the TIII fits soooooo much more nicely than the cobbled 8 valve accessories. I have to move my knock sensor, had some custom plug wires made and the fun starts mounting the TB tonight if my intake is done.

Timing this thing will be very tough and if you need to change the cap, rotor or HEP, the intake will have to come off, which sucks, not a roadside fix, unless its sunny.

[gasketmaster]

You better hurry up.........the spray's a comin' :eyebrows: :nx: :D

[overlordsshadow]

Not if it was in a Fedex truck....^^^^^^

[turbovanman²]

You better hurry up.........the spray's a comin' :eyebrows: :nx: :D

Well I should have it running tonight, dyno tomorrow and if the weather holds out, drag racing Friday but it looks like its going to piss down rain, :mecry:

[turbovanman²]

I thought I would have it running tonight, but no. I didn't get the intake back until 7:30 ish and had to drill and tap holes for my vacuum nipples and I had to figure out how to mount the t/b, then drill the holes for that. Got that all figured out, mounted, made up the IC to tb hoses, put the injector and fuel rail on, external wastegate-had to make a spacer and thats as far as I got. Spent another 7hours on it tonight. All I have left to do is the injector wiring, tps, ais and charge temp wiring, fuel lines, install ic piping and put the gasket on for the turbo drain back, pcv system and she's done, phew.

Ryan aka Phaxtris started it but his welder blew up so the Rotary guys finished it for me, spent alot of time on it. Dusty is da man, :clap: Will paint it later, just want to get her running for now.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a228/turbovanman/TIII%20engine%20build%20pics/Canoncamerapics062.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a228/turbovanman/TIII%20engine%20build%20pics/Canoncamerapics064.jpg

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http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a228/turbovanman/TIII%20engine%20build%20pics/Canoncamerapics068.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a228/turbovanman/TIII%20engine%20build%20pics/Canoncamerapics069.jpg

[WVRampage]

Looking good.

[looneytuner]

how about cap head machine screws on the dist cap? Might make life a little easier?

[2.216VTurbo]

Man, that thing has more nipples than a cat:lol: ! Simon, you're a nipple man aren't you:lol: ?

[Clay]

I have nipples, Simon. Could you milk me?

Hmmmmmmm

[Turbo224]

Who needs a vacuum block when you set it up like that! Awesome work.

[Turbodave]

Lol, it must be getting a bit nipply out up there in Canada.

[turbovanman²]

how about cap head machine screws on the dist cap? Might make life a little easier?

I thought of a few things but honestly, its easier just to remove the whole distributor to service it. I am going to make a bunch of intake gaskets.


Man, that thing has more nipples than a cat:lol: ! Simon, you're a nipple man aren't you:lol: ?

Yes, I am, :love: :clap:


Who needs a vacuum block when you set it up like that! Awesome work.

Thanks, there not straight but I am getting tired, :eyebrows:


Lol, it must be getting a bit nipply out up there in Canada.

Actually, it is, hehehehehe!! :nod:

[Whorse]

Don't forget who showed you that first Simon. Looked really good in person yesterday. I'm working late tonight so if you're still around later I'll drop by.

[turbovanman²]

Don't forget who showed you that first Simon. Looked really good in person yesterday. I'm working late tonight so if you're still around later I'll drop by.

I had that in mind before I saw yours, :clap:

I'll be here, its running tonight or I don't go home, :confused:

[looneytuner]

whorse, bring a cot by for the old guy! ;)

[overlordsshadow]

I was thinking we should have sent food and other essential supplies. He already has a wife but I'm sure he'd not be unhappy with what we send;)

[Directconnection]

WTF Simon? Hours since your last post as you speaking of getting it to run, or no going home and you're on the computer? Better have a "It runs!" post being typed as i write:D

[86Shelby]

Time for bed here, but on the plus side for you Simon it's only about 9:50. Still a solid 10 hours of wrenching available until the workday begins. ;)

I hope you get to drive it home tonight, but don't feel bad if it doesn't happen. We've all been there.

[Speedeuphoria]

Get'er Done!:D

Did you happen upon the miracles of combustion yet?

[turbovanman²]

Nope, had to work late on some Venture van head gaskets so a little behind. I figure another hour and fingers crossed, she'll run. Just making up the new injector harness using a Quad 4 one I had kicking around. Then vac to the BOV, upper rad hose, fill it up, turbo drain back gasket and then its ready to start. :nod:

[iTurbo]

Will you be running it on a stock 2.5L TI SMEC for starters?

[turbovanman²]

Well, its alive, got her running and went for a drive. Pretty impressed considering I can't get on it, over 9 psi, the external vents and then chatters so up to that point, the power is pretty linear. I like 16 valves. :clap:
The lifters were so noisey, holy crap but they seemed to have got quieter but the cams are really whiney? Checked timing, 8 deg so I'll bump that up tomorrow and change the oil. No drag racing tomorrow, too many little things to finish off.
It must have some compression as when I shut it down, it stops NOW. Exhaust is mellower, I like it. I am sure I will notice more things as I drive it more.

[blk86trbo]

Congrats Simon!

[looneytuner]

You pulled an all nighter!!!! Last time I did that......................................
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kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

I can't remember. Oh well. Congrats.

I dropped off an intake and ? at the machine shop for cleaning, borrowed a tool to pop the cable off a 413, fixed an antique toaster, took a nap, pulled a 2 hour Thursday afternoon delight.:nod:

[turbovanman²]

Hopefully somehow I can get my work done today, get the bugs worked out and get to the track, :confused:

[Directconnection]

Simon...don't rush it. You will regret it. You changed too many variables to get it dead on the 1st time out. I wouldn't risk anything after all the hard work. Patience is your virtue.

[overlordsshadow]

Remember Simon, millions of little kittens will die if you don't get me a sound clip!

[turbovanman²]

Simon...don't rush it. You will regret it. You changed too many variables to get it dead on the 1st time out. I wouldn't risk anything after all the hard work. Patience is your virtue.

Thats why I am not going out, or if I do, just run small boost, no slicks and just have a little fun, :clap:


Remember Simon, millions of little kittens will die if you don't get me a sound clip!

Yeah, yeah, its coming. :nod:

[overlordsshadow]

For a second I thought my post might be all for naught as you might want kittens to die.....

[gasketmaster]

Good job Simon :clap:

[Turbo224]

:banana-mario: Yeah!

[Turbodave]

Congrats, now let's see some 11's!

[WVRampage]

Congrats.I wonder how many transmissions will die now.......

[turbovanman²]

I hope I built this trans strong enough. :clap:

Still have to figure out the boost control issues, it hits 9 psi then the Wastegate flutters and vents, can't get it to run at all past it. I am so impressed by the engine though, even at 3 psi, this pulls so nicely and very torquey around town, :nod:

[Directconnection]

The lifters were so noisey, holy crap but they seemed to have got quieter but the cams are really whiney?

Contact you-know-who for a SOHC Honda lifter upgrade and cams from a scirrocco to fix that!

[turbovanman²]

Found the noise, the PS pump is screaming, and I can tell you, in all my years of working on cars, I have never heard a pump sound like this before, :wow1:

[RoadWarrior222]

Mine whined like a slapped down emo kid when I first fired up last month after changing the rack, took a while to bleed out the damn thing, fill slowlllllly slowlllllly @#$%#@##!!!! it's overflowing..... wait, wait.... sllllowlllly.... keep checking it and topping up...

[Dave]

Congrats Simon! Good to see you're never giving up on your van.

Now who will hit the 11's before the end of season? Terry or Simon?? Time for a poll. ;)

[Directconnection]

Terry because he's oh so close, and not for Simon because he just got it together and because his tracks are closing real soon.

Wouldn't be surpised if Terry is going this weekend for another stab at it.

[turbovanman²]

I doubt it will be me, have so many little things to work out, the major one being not much boost before the wastegate opens. Too bad, no rain today and its the 2nd to last one. Next Friday is it.

[Vigo]

Congrats!!

[reject]

Big Congrats Simon!!

[Dave]

Pics video??? C'mon!!!

[turbovanman²]

Need to fix the boost issue and power steering pump before I video it.

[Speedeuphoria]

did you get the wg plumbed in correctly yet?

[turbovanman²]

did you get the wg plumbed in correctly yet?

I will today. My work computer won't upload the photos from Greddy's site for my controller, Profec Type S, so doing that today, :clap:

[Big_P]

Go Go Simon!

[turbovanman²]

Put another power steering pump in, yay, its quiet now but now you can hear the lifters but I don't care, there not getting replaced. :clap:

Bad news, my wastegate is no good, so going to have to scrounge something up on Monday. :(

[RoadWarrior222]

Wait... how would anyone know it was a TD if there was no lifter noise? :D

[turbovanman²]

Wait... how would anyone know it was a TD if there was no lifter noise? :D

Hahaha, this, believe it or not, is way noiser than my 8 valve motors.

[RoadWarrior222]

These have hydraulic lash adjusters on? There's a trick for bleeding them out, raise RPM to 2-3k, hold for a minute or two, idle for a minute or two, repeat 8-10 times.

[turbovanman²]

These have hydraulic lash adjusters on? There's a trick for bleeding them out, raise RPM to 2-3k, hold for a minute or two, idle for a minute or two, repeat 8-10 times.

I've put about 150 km's on so far, so there not going to get much better. Its quite possible that when I can go WOT, they might get quieter but until I get a new wastegate, not much I can do.

[RoadWarrior222]

Ah well, if they quieten down at RPM they've prolly just got a little bleeddown, which actually helps with fuel economy, coz it's like a smaller cam profile while running around in vacuum, then tightens up when you mash it. I'm trying to figure out how to figure out how to get my lash adjusters to do that, bleed down a little at low RPM, but no so much that they don't tighten up at higher RPM.

[Turbo224]

I hate suggesting this, but any chance one of the rocker shafts are upside down? I learned that one from experience... :o

[turbovanman²]

I hate suggesting this, but any chance one of the rocker shafts are upside down? I learned that one from experience... :o

Yeah, I learned that from here about which way they go, :lol:

Thanks for the advice though. :thumb:

[GLHSKEN]

Simon, Just take it easy in this one.... Don't press it so hard you blow it up!!! Take it SLOW....

[turbovanman²]

Simon, Just take it easy in this one.... Don't press it so hard you blow it up!!! Take it SLOW....


Hahhaaa, I know, but really, I have no choice, I have little or no boost, it really sucks, :o :lol:

[SwiftTech]

Ah well, if they quieten down at RPM they've prolly just got a little bleeddown, which actually helps with fuel economy, coz it's like a smaller cam profile while running around in vacuum, then tightens up when you mash it. I'm trying to figure out how to figure out how to get my lash adjusters to do that, bleed down a little at low RPM, but no so much that they don't tighten up at higher RPM.

not to hijack but..... http://www.rhoadslifters.com/

i believe i read on the neon site that you can send them your lifters and they will modify them for you.

[Dave]

What style and size of a WG are you using? It's an external right?

[turbovanman²]

What style and size of a WG are you using? It's an external right?

I had a Deltagate II but its no good so I just bought a brand new Evolution version for dirt cheap locally. Will be trying that tonight with Shelgames new cal.

[Speedeuphoria]

Good stuff, I wasn't sure if you were going to have your hands on the wg today or just paid for one.

You'll be feeling great if the cal works good

[turbovanman²]

Good stuff, I wasn't sure if you were going to have your hands on the wg today or just paid for one.

You'll be feeling great if the cal works good

Yeah, Kinetic just started Ebaying items, there aprox 15 mins away so I called them up and asked if they'd let me buy it now. I forced there hand by saying its theres or the Tial in Richmond, which is aprox 40 mins away, :thumb:

[RoadWarrior222]

not to hijack but..... http://www.rhoadslifters.com/

i believe i read on the neon site that you can send them your lifters and they will modify them for you.

Thanks. I'll look into 'em. :thumb:

[turbovanman²]

Got the new wastegate installed, played around with the controller and could'nt get it to work so went to an MBC, was very erratic so shimmed it to the max and 12 psi. HOLY SH*T, this thing pulls like a frieght train, it easily revs to 7000 rpm, :wow1: I tried a bunch of cals, Shelgames new one, van didn't run very well, a 782 cal-no power, nowhere near enough timing, it just bogged, and finally my Gary D G-head cal and again, HOLY SH*T, :thumb:

Had a scary moment, could smell fuel, opened the hood and the return line had unscrewed itself from the reg, so I got rid of the Dodge part and used a GM one, problem solved.

[88_pacifica]

Had a scary moment, could smell fuel, opened the hood and the return line had unscrewed itself from the reg, so I got rid of the Dodge part and used a GM one, problem solved.

Ha... [in my best superhero voice] "GM to the rescue...." Da-ta-da... :D :thumb:

[Clay]

Congrats.I wonder how many transmissions will die now.......

every time simon works on his van

God kills a transmission.

Please think of the transmissions.

[Subliminal]

Congrats, Simon!

[turbovanman²]

Driving home, couldn't wipe the smile off my face, I can go like 60 mph in 1st gear, lol, it just sings to 7000 rpm, I could probably rev it higher as it doesn't shut off, powerwise. Need to get the cals sorted out or go standalone and this thing will be an animal. :thumb:

[overlordsshadow]

You are having too much fun.

[Scottmon]

Told ya you'd like a 2.5 TIII Simon, LOL


Driving home, couldn't wipe the smile off my face, I can go like 60 mph in 1st gear, lol, it just sings to 7000 rpm, I could probably rev it higher as it doesn't shut off, powerwise. Need to get the cals sorted out or go standalone and this thing will be an animal. :thumb:

[turbovanman²]

Told ya you'd like a 2.5 TIII Simon, LOL

Hahaha, I never doubted it, just the naysayers, hehehe, :p

[DodgeZ]

How is the 40mpg?

[Turbodave]

How is the 40mpg?


:lol:

[turbovanman²]

How is the 40mpg?

You mean 45mpg, :eyebrows: ;)

[turbovanman²]

Got the boost issue worked out, sort of, :D

HOLY SH*T

1st gear at 15psi is unreal, it pulls like a friggin freight train to 7000 or more? can't look at the tach, tires WILL NOT stay planted. 2nd gear sucks, not enough timing and it stops pulling. :(

Off to try Shelgames cal and his old G-head cal, :thumb:

[moparfwdsleeper]

Simon... Need more pics:thumb:

[turbovanman²]

Just spent a little over an hour swapping chips, Shelgames new one, one of his old G-head cals and Gary D's G-head cal, all pretty even but all fall flat in 2nd gear. Bumped the timing to 20 deg initial and hello sister, I am going home so haven't tried Gary's cal but the T3 cal Rob made woke up big time, this motor likes timing and fuel, :thumb:

Forgot to add, this thing is like a 2 stroke, the powerband hits around 5000rpm then sings to 7000rpm easily!!!!!!!!! :p

[moparfwdsleeper]

yeah yeah yeah;) forget the pics(unless you wanna:p) video by tomorrow evening:thumb: You have 20hours to complete the task:lol:

[DodgeZ]

Just spent a little over an hour swapping chips, Shelgames new one, one of his old G-head cals and Gary D's G-head cal, all pretty even but all fall flat in 2nd gear. Bumped the timing to 20 deg initial and hello sister, I am going home so haven't tried Gary's cal but the T3 cal Rob made woke up big time, this motor likes timing and fuel, :thumb:

Forgot to add, this thing is like a 2 stroke, the powerband hits around 5000rpm then sings to 7000rpm easily!!!!!!!!! :p

Shouldn't you be installing a 16v cal?

[overlordsshadow]

No, a 16 valve cal on a 16 valve engine just won't do for our man Simon.

[turbovanman²]

Shouldn't you be installing a 16v cal?

What part of Shelgames new cal didn't you understand? I'd already posted earlier about his 16 valve cal, :confused:

Either way, I am going to have to go Standalone, theres just way to many variables to figure out over the phone. I'll run one of the G-head cals until I install the Microtech, probably over winter or in the spring.

[lowprofile]

first time I read this post, congrats Simon, huge and nice job you're doin' on that van :)

[turbovanman²]

first time I read this post, congrats Simon, huge and nice job you're doin' on that van :)


Thanks, been alot of blood, sweat and tears, lack of sleep, lost time with the wife and son too, lol! :o

[Austrian Dodge]

Either way, I am going to have to go Standalone, theres just way to many variables to figure out over the phone. I'll run one of the G-head cals until I install the Microtech, probably over winter or in the spring.

good idea!

i recommend going with a 60-2 triggerwheel ;)
thats what i did...even mounting the bracket was a piece of cake

[DodgeZ]

What part of Shelgames new cal didn't you understand? I'd already posted earlier about his 16 valve cal, :confused:

Either way, I am going to have to go Standalone, theres just way to many variables to figure out over the phone. I'll run one of the G-head cals until I install the Microtech, probably over winter or in the spring.

don't have time to read all 10 pages. I just read you we trying a ghead call..... :confused2:

[turbovanman²]

good idea!

i recommend going with a 60-2 triggerwheel ;)
thats what i did...even mounting the bracket was a piece of cake

I have the controller, Microtech, just need to get the trigger wheel, the 60-2, they've done one already-Kwimmers Omni, :thumb:


don't have time to read all 10 pages. I just read you we trying a ghead call..... :confused2:


Shelgames NEW cal and some G-head cals, ;)

[Austrian Dodge]

i bought mine from http://www.034motorsport.com/
need to get some pics ... but it'll take a couple of weeks till i get to see my car again :(

[turbovanman²]

i bought mine from http://www.034motorsport.com/
need to get some pics ... but it'll take a couple of weeks till i get to see my car again :(

Thanks, :thumb:

Why a few weeks?

And its BREAK in, not BRAKE in, :confused: ;)

[moparfwdsleeper]

1hour remaining... Going ahead and giving you the 24:p

[turbovanman²]

I have some pics, will put them up when I get home.

Hitting the dyno tomorrow night so I'l vid that, :thumb:

[moparfwdsleeper]

Dude!:thumb: Can't wait to hear this bad b**ch rolling through the RPM range:D

[GLHNSLHT2]

oooh dyno predictions. 200hp/270ft-lbs :)

[Ubmbass]

what size 60-2 wheel?

[turbovanman²]

what size 60-2 wheel?

Sorry man, forgot to get you that info. I'll dig it up as I need them to get one, thought I could wait until next year but I guess not, :( lol.

[turbovanman²]

oooh dyno predictions. 200hp/270ft-lbs :)

Wanna bet on that? ;)

[Turbo224]

I would guess closer to 270hp/320tq, but I dont really know what kind of boost you're running or what type of cal.

[turbovanman²]

I would guess closer to 270hp/320tq, but I dont really know what kind of boost you're running or what type of cal.

Not sure on cals, gonna try the TIII one from ShelGame, the 2 G-head cals I also have from him and the Gary D cal. Just going to mess around and see how much boost I can run on 94 pump gas, :thumb:

I figure if I can get 20 psi out of it, she'll put down 330 ish whp, :amen:

[8valves]

Not sure on cals, gonna try the TIII one from ShelGame, the 2 G-head cals I also have from him and the Gary D cal. Just going to mess around and see how much boost I can run on 94 pump gas, :thumb:

I figure if I can get 20 psi out of it, she'll put down 330 ish whp, :amen:

You'd better make more than my silly little 8V car did at 20 psi on pump.. :eyebrows: :thumb:

[turbovanman²]

You'd better make more than my silly little 8V car did at 20 psi on pump.. :eyebrows: :thumb:

Hahhaaa, well I am running a small turbo compared to you, medium sized IC and no tuning, just random chips. The standalone will fix that, :thumb:

[overlordsshadow]

Where the hell is the video! It's almost time to put on winter tires and still no video.

[turbovanman²]

Where the hell is the video! It's almost time to put on winter tires and still no video.

Jesus, hitting the dyno tonight I said, patience, :o

Also, its supposed to be nice tomorrow, leaving work early to go drag racing, giddy up, :partywoot::clap:

[overlordsshadow]

It was minus 6 this morn, good for the intercooler at least.

[8valves]

Hahhaaa, well I am running a small turbo compared to you, medium sized IC and no tuning, just random chips. The standalone will fix that, :thumb:

I'm pretty sure you're on a larger compressor and exhaust wheel than me. What is it again?

[turbovanman²]

I'm pretty sure you're on a larger compressor and exhaust wheel than me. What is it again?

Only a regular 60 trim, .63 housing, stage III turbine. IC flows 725 cfm.

[turbovanman²]

It was minus 6 this morn, good for the intercooler at least.

Not here, its still fairly warm, sun is supposed to come out this afternoon, high's of 12, :o

[2.216VTurbo]

Not here, its still fairly warm, sun is supposed to come out this afternoon, high's of 12, :o

Sunny 85 today, be driving to the SoCal SD/TD meet tonight in the TC with the top down, if it gets chilly coming home, I'll turn on the heater:p

[88_pacifica]

Sunny 85 today, be driving to the SoCal SD/TD meet tonight in the TC with the top down, if it gets chilly coming home, I'll turn on the heater:p

Same in Indiana....

http://www.weather.com/outlook/health/airquality/local/USIN0305?from=search_city

[8valves]

So, it's 12:48 am over on this side of the country...

[turbovanman²]

Well I tried all the cals, just strapped it down, no tuning, didn't touch a thing, 20 psi, averaged around 270 whp on 94 octane gas, Gary's cal made the most power all over, 289whp and didn't get a torque reading. She was pulling all the way to 7000 rpm and a bit rich. A little lower than I wanted but oh well, no tuning, G-head cal, not bad. :thumb:

I have a vid or 2, I'll post later.

[Turbo224]

Well I tried all the cals, just strapped it down, no tuning, didn't touch a thing, 20 psi, averaged around 270 whp on 94 octane gas, Gary's cal made the most power all over, 289whp and didn't get a torque reading. She was pulling all the way to 7000 rpm and a bit rich. A little lower than I wanted but oh well, no tuning, G-head cal, not bad. :thumb:

I have a vid or 2, I'll post later.


For being an untuned, brand new motor, that still pretty good. Nice job! And I do have to point out that my hp guess was damn good! :D

[gasketmaster]

That should be good to get you into the 12's on a clean run :)

Are you going racing tomorrow??? :eyebrows:

If so...........GOOD LUCK :thumb:

[turbovanman²]

Thanks guys. :nod:

Supposed to go, we'll see how the weather holds up etc. Fingers crossed, :amen:

[Ondonti]

Tyler wins on the guessing

[Austrian Dodge]

Thanks, :thumb:

Why a few weeks?

And its BREAK in, not BRAKE in, :confused: ;)

ups, just fixed it.

well, the car's out of country ... had some problems with the registration over here, and now i'll check out some other things. hope everything goes well.

after that i finally need to hit the dyno and tune my haltech

[ShelGame]

Well I tried all the cals, just strapped it down, no tuning, didn't touch a thing, 20 psi, averaged around 270 whp on 94 octane gas, Gary's cal made the most power all over, 289whp and didn't get a torque reading. She was pulling all the way to 7000 rpm and a bit rich. A little lower than I wanted but oh well, no tuning, G-head cal, not bad. :thumb:

I have a vid or 2, I'll post later.

Hmm, have any plots?

[Whorse]

I went for a ride in this yesterday and have to say it certainly does scream up to 7K and sounds more like a sprint car than a 4 cylinder. It's funny to watch Simon point and laugh at all the WTF?!!? faces on the street. 290whp is pretty impressive, and I'd expect a good powerband judging by how it felt. Nice work.

[turbovanman²]

Hmm, have any plots?

Only the dyno plots.


I went for a ride in this yesterday and have to say it certainly does scream up to 7K and sounds more like a sprint car than a 4 cylinder. It's funny to watch Simon point and laugh at all the WTF?!!? faces on the street. 290whp is pretty impressive, and I'd expect a good powerband judging by how it felt. Nice work.

The rotary guys were very impressed, especially the noise it made. One girl said that would be the only Minivan she would drive, :thumb:

Marko, the rotary shop owner was smiling too, :clap:

[Dusty_Duster]

*ahem*

:needpics1:

Great job getting it running. Want to build a T3 motor for my Duster now? :eyebrows:

[overlordsshadow]

I whole heartedly second this need for pics and SOUND clips! Please:)

[turbovanman²]

All in good time, getting ready for drag racing, either tonight or tomorrow, ;)

[Vigo]

Only the dyno plots. lol how clever


judging by what we've seen out of other t3s on 20 psi i think you have a LOT to gain by tuning it in more/better cal, which means a lot of fun to be had :)

but hey any minivan near 300whp just makes the world a better place imo.

cant wait to see your pics/vids/times!

[turbovanman²]

Ok, more pics. Also, have a drag vid in the street/strip section and a dyno vid up soon in the vid section.

Its a bit messy, need to clean it up and paint the intake but not bad, :amen:


http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a228/turbovanman/TIII%20engine%20build%20pics/Canoncamerapics073.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a228/turbovanman/TIII%20engine%20build%20pics/Canoncamerapics074.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a228/turbovanman/TIII%20engine%20build%20pics/Canoncamerapics075.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a228/turbovanman/TIII%20engine%20build%20pics/Canoncamerapics076.jpg

[moparfwdsleeper]

Simon... detail bro detail;) The strip vid was cool, congrads on getting it back on a track! heading to watch the dyno vid after this post. spend some time on cleaning up the mess and wow!

[turbovanman²]

Simon... detail bro detail;) The strip vid was cool, congrads on getting it back on a track! heading to watch the dyno vid after this post. spend some time on cleaning up the mess and wow!

Yeah, still have a bit of work to do. I am going to put a vacuum block by the booster to fix that mess of hoses and such. I'll probably stop driving it soon and redo all that mess, install the A/C, paint the intake, remove the dist and install the MicroTech. :thumb:

[moparfwdsleeper]

Sounds like a plan! Did you ever make a post with all the specs of this setup? Injectors, Intercooler, basically everything that has been added... Wouldn't mind seeing one if you have:p

[turbovanman²]

2.5L bored .020 over, Venolia's, Eagle rods, balanced assembly. Bearings, turbine housing and pistons coated. No bs's, Main studs, head studs. Custom windage tray.

Top end, stock cams, rocker arms, slightly ported head, adjustable cam gears, custom 4L volume plenum, 52mm tb. Ported and coated exhaust manifold from Steve Calder.

725 cfm IC, 60 trim T3/T4 turbo, stage III turbine, .63 ar housing, external Evolution wastegate, +40's, 3 bar, 89 8 valve SMEC cal, running dist and Aurora custom wires, Aurora coil. 3 inch ex from turbo back, resonator and Magnaflow muffler.

Trans is beefed up by me, all the usual mods plus an OBX and 5 clutch packs, governor and line pressure mods.

I think thats everything, :thumb:

[moparfwdsleeper]

:pmore questions!!! yay lol

Who did the head work, any flow numbers?
And I take it you have emissions cause of the exhaust:( No cutout? Why?

[turbovanman²]

:pmore questions!!! yay lol

Who did the head work, any flow numbers?
And I take it you have emissions cause of the exhaust:( No cutout? Why?

Head numbers are in the TIII section.

I run a full exhaust due to wanting to hear the radio. Also, we have to run mufflers at the Street Legals. Yes, we have emission testing also, which reminds me, have to put a cat back in, :(

[GLHNSLHT2]

hope you have that talon modded and the high boost line disconnected on the dyno.

[Mario]

Looks good.

[turbovanman²]

hope you have that talon modded and the high boost line disconnected on the dyno.

But of course, look at the passenger side front of the BOV, ;)

[moparfwdsleeper]

ill be heading to the TIII section shortly then:thumb:

Im glad we dont have emissions in my state:D ~ Radio's can be heard if the whole setup is right:p no excuse there lol

Still, why no Y cutout?

[turbovanman²]

Still, why no Y cutout?

Not needed, I don't need every last HP, the electric ones are expensive and its just another place to leak.

[moparfwdsleeper]

Okay ill go with that answer for now:p but good welds shouldnt leak:thumb:

After your done with it all(including a wideband;)) what number's and time's are you hoping for?

[Vigo]

i doubt he plans on welding the $300 butterfly valve shut if he gets one.... lol.

[moparfwdsleeper]

Well vigo your post just hit a "ohh s**t I let that go over my head" thought:thumb: oops;)

Well now that I(dont ask) remember that little detail never mind that part of the post:D

[GLHNSLHT2]

simon couldn't tell if it was modded or just some stray vac line in your spider web of vacuum lines and fuel.

[turbovanman²]

simon couldn't tell if it was modded or just some stray vac line in your spider web of vacuum lines and fuel.

Pretty funny from a guy that doesn't have a running 16 valve engine? :confused2: :rolleyes:


I would like 11's but I'll take whatever I can get out of it. We'll max out my combo when I install the standalone. :amen:

[GLHNSLHT2]

uhhh 8v or 16v I'll never have vac lines like that. My 16v project is just a weeee bit bigger than yours :)

[turbovanman²]

uhhh 8v or 16v I'll never have vac lines like that. My 16v project is just a weeee bit bigger than yours :)

And if you cared to read, I said I have to redo it, ;)

[GLHNSLHT2]

I know, I saw you were gonna redo it. Just giving you a bit of crap simon :) With a flashable smec you could upload a changed calibration instead of swapping chips. And tweak it all just where you want it with factory electronics.

[turbovanman²]

I know, I saw you were gonna redo it. Just giving you a bit of crap simon :) With a flashable smec you could upload a changed calibration instead of swapping chips. And tweak it all just where you want it with factory electronics.

Just getting tired of being ragged on, no offense.

I'll maybe look into that but I am getting the Microtech for mega cheap, kinda hard to pass up. Kwimmer had it done but it would be nice for him to finish it so we can see how well it works on TM's.

What am I looking for, $ wise, for a flashable smec? I would still need a laptop wouldn't I?

[ShelGame]

Just getting tired of being ragged on, no offense.

I'll maybe look into that but I am getting the Microtech for mega cheap, kinda hard to pass up. Kwimmer had it done but it would be nice for him to finish it so we can see how well it works on TM's.

What am I looking for, $ wise, for a flashable smec? I would still need a laptop wouldn't I?


Jason Richardson (xrattiracer) sells a flashable SMEC for (I think) $100. Or, you can get the flash module for $50 and install it yourself (would require removing some potting from the SMEC and adding a few wires).

[turbovanman²]

Jason Richardson (xrattiracer) sells a flashable SMEC for (I think) $100. Or, you can get the flash module for $50 and install it yourself (would require removing some potting from the SMEC and adding a few wires).

Still need a laptop though, right, and learn how to do it. I would still need to buy a wideband, so add all that up, and its more money then the MicroTech.

[GLHNSLHT2]

how much is the microtech?

[Speedeuphoria]

http://www.microtechefi.com/
still need a laptop

[GLHNSLHT2]

oh yeah, that's tons cheaper than than a flashable smec and laptop.

[turbovanman²]

how much is the microtech?

Retail is $1200-$1400 for the unit plus install and tuning.


http://www.microtechefi.com/
still need a laptop

Don't need one, he has it, and he's next door, ;)


oh yeah, that's tons cheaper than than a flashable smec and laptop.

Not paying retail, no where near that and doing my own install. :thumb:

[GLHNSLHT2]

why don't you tell us exactly how much?