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altered7151
01-31-2006, 02:43 AM
Okay these are on an 88-89 daytona harness that has been spliced into an l-body bulkhead. I have the 88 wiring diagram but it the colors dont seem to be matching up.
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altered7151
01-31-2006, 02:46 AM
Here's a pic of the wires up close.
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b318/altered7151/IMG_0794.jpg

altered7151
01-31-2006, 12:31 PM
Hmmm, no-one? You know you want to answer. Look inside of you, you know it to be true.

JDAWG
01-31-2006, 12:40 PM
what side of the car???

altered7151
01-31-2006, 12:46 PM
Oh sorry that would probably help, its on the drivers side. I already have the starter relay figured out ( I think).

GLHSKEN
01-31-2006, 12:48 PM
AC relay was on that side as well as the fan relay.

altered7151
01-31-2006, 01:08 PM
After picking through the diagnostic manual, I THINK they are the AC and Fan Relay, can anyone confirm this. And if so how come they are the new style relays? All the manuals I have show them being the older style relays. Anyone have part numbers for these. I have a felling that if I go to an autoparts store I'll end up with the old style relays.

JDAWG
01-31-2006, 01:19 PM
4419185 fo fan, 4419200 for a/c, i thought the fan relay was on the strut tower and those relay plugs look like they go on the fender, I bet one is the asd relay

altered7151
01-31-2006, 01:27 PM
4419185 fo fan, 4419200 for a/c, i thought the fan relay was on the strut tower and those relay plugs look like they go on the fender, I bet one is the asd relay
Well this is an 89 Daytona harness adapted to an 85 SC, so I have moved the wires around a little to get everything to fit a little better, so you can't really judge what they are off of location. Thanks for the pn's, I'll run by napa or something this afternoon and see what I can find.

JDAWG
01-31-2006, 01:35 PM
yea the fan relay should be a rectangular plug, not perfect square, at least it is on my 88 Pbody

altered7151
01-31-2006, 01:52 PM
The both look like they're the same exact size plug, but if you notice in the pics they have different little tabs on top, so the relays wouldnt' be interchangeable.

r00tcause
01-31-2006, 03:38 PM
Okay these are on an 88-89 daytona harness that has been spliced into an l-body bulkhead. I have the 88 wiring diagram but it the colors dont seem to be matching up.



ASD and Starter Relays.

altered7151
01-31-2006, 03:42 PM
ASD and Starter Relays.

Hmmm, I thought I had the starter relay figured out, maybe I was wrong. Are you for sure on that?

altered7151
01-31-2006, 08:28 PM
4419185 fo fan, 4419200 for a/c, i thought the fan relay was on the strut tower and those relay plugs look like they go on the fender, I bet one is the asd relay

Okay, I looked up those part numbers, and I get the older style metal outer housing relay. Any other suggestions?

supercrackerbox
02-01-2006, 10:37 AM
All I can say is they look like nothing I have in my 88 Z. What relays do you have hooked up so far? I'd say either process of elimination or try looking up relays for a later year, like 90 or so.

altered7151
02-01-2006, 11:30 AM
I have what I THINK are the starter, and possibly the ASD, but not sure at all. All the 88-89's I looked at in the yard have different color wires with the old metal style relays. I think I'm going to go back out and look at older cars and see what I can find.

mcsvt
02-01-2006, 01:30 PM
I will look for you when I get home today if you haven't figured it out by then. Sorry I can't help sooner.

altered7151
02-01-2006, 01:41 PM
I will look for you when I get home today if you haven't figured it out by then. Sorry I can't help sooner.
Sounds good, let me know what you find!

JDAWG
02-01-2006, 02:09 PM
I know the fan relay is a metal one, where did you look? They deff look like the one that go kinda tucked up under the fender on the drivers side. The metal ones are on the strut tower. If you looked at cars in the yard you may have looked at the wrong ones.

altered7151
02-01-2006, 02:20 PM
This harness is setup for 1 metal style relay, and 3 newer plastic relays. Thats what's throwing me off. Everything I've looked at 88-89 has 3 metal relays and 1 plastic. Even the 89 diagnostic manual shows them with the metal relays. The wire colors dont exactly match up on anything. The one metal relay I have now I'm pretty sure is for the starter. I want to say these two are for the A/C and radiator fan, just based off their colors being very similar, but without the proper wiring diagrams I dont know. I was told this harness is an 89 turbo daytona. Is it possible its a later SBEC harness, do they have different computer plugs? This definitally plugged right up to my SMEC. My weakness with these cars is definitally electrical, but I can usually sit down with a wiring diagram and figure eveything out. But I keep coming up empty handed on this one.:(

JDAWG
02-01-2006, 03:11 PM
ok, the 89 is different, I looked 88 before. pn 5227300 for starter, rad fan 4443904, fuel pump 5233208, 4439013 for a/c. Try those out.

altered7151
02-01-2006, 03:28 PM
By George I think you got it, when I pull up those part numbers it shows 1 metal relay and 3 plastic relays. So at least thats pointing me to the right relays. You wouldn't happen to have a wiring diagram for an 89 with those relays would you?

JDAWG
02-01-2006, 03:42 PM
will this work maybe? http://www.turbododge.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49723 no I dont have an 89 book

altered7151
02-01-2006, 03:50 PM
will this work maybe? http://www.turbododge.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49723 no I dont have an 89 book
Yeah I tried looking through that, it shows the 3 metal relays as well. I can get close on the wires, but not exact. I'm think I'm going to hit the yard this weekend and look at every car I can find and see if I can find one that matches up. At least now I know the 89 has the right relays. Maybe I was just assuming the 88-89 were the same.

JDAWG
02-01-2006, 04:04 PM
fuel pump relay orig # is 4504204 it changes to 5233208, also says it may be stamped 5233207. I did a quick search and all these relays fit alot of different bodies up to the early 90's. Even ram trucks, dakotas, and ram vans LOL! Just take all these #'s with you to the yard and check the stamp on top of the relay. The relays are not turbo specific, so even tbi cars will have them. Good luck.

altered7151
02-01-2006, 05:26 PM
fuel pump relay orig # is 4504204 it changes to 5233208, also says it may be stamped 5233207. I did a quick search and all these relays fit alot of different bodies up to the early 90's. Even ram trucks, dakotas, and ram vans LOL! Just take all these #'s with you to the yard and check the stamp on top of the relay. The relays are not turbo specific, so even tbi cars will have them. Good luck.

Awesome, thanks so much for your help!

JDAWG
02-01-2006, 05:43 PM
:thumb:

mcsvt
02-01-2006, 07:02 PM
Looks like I am not much help. I see the relays on the inner fender. They look like the connectors in your pictures. So I would go with what JDAWG's info. To bad your not closer I would drive over and let you see :D

Good luck.

altered7151
02-01-2006, 08:17 PM
Looks like I am not much help. I see the relays on the inner fender. They look like the connectors in your pictures. So I would go with what JDAWG's info. To bad your not closer I would drive over and let you see :D

Good luck.

Is yours an 89? Could you see if there is any part numbers on those relays, that way I can pinpoint exactly what relays they are. Thanks!

mcsvt
02-01-2006, 08:30 PM
Sure I pulled the numbers off the top when i was out there
One was 5533210
Other was 83159

Not sure if those are the numbers you need.

altered7151
02-01-2006, 08:39 PM
Hmm, napa doesn't seem to recognize them. Are the wires on yours the same color as the ones I posted?

mcsvt
02-01-2006, 08:45 PM
yeah the wires seemed very similar, i didn't have any tools with me to unbolt them from the fender though. There may be different numbers on the side. I will try to get up early and unbolt them and check for other numbers.

altered7151
02-01-2006, 08:52 PM
Okay, well then I'll assume the harness is out of an 89 turbo daytona. No rush on the numbers, especially dont get out of bed early ;)
Maybe if you can get some pics of the relays and how they are attached on the fender/strut tower it would help me figure out which is which.

mcsvt
02-01-2006, 08:59 PM
Yeah I knew I should have taken pics. I even brought my camera out with me. O well they will be better when i unbolt them from the fender any way. I should have time to do it in the morn, if not definately after work.

JDAWG
02-01-2006, 09:50 PM
hmm, I cant get either one of those #'s to cross

mcsvt
02-02-2006, 07:19 PM
Here you go. Hope these pics help you out. Let me know if you need any other pics.

altered7151
02-02-2006, 07:25 PM
Awesome, thanks. I'll let you know how things turn out after my trip to the yard.

altered7151
02-04-2006, 03:39 PM
Okay can anyone cross reference these numbers for me, the grey plug goes to relay part number 5233018, and the black plug to 5233210, Found the third relay looks like it goes to 5233207, which should be the fuel pump. Since I'm almost positive the metal style relay is for the starter. The two loners are for the fan and A/C, but would be nice to confirm it with the numbers. Thanks for all your guys help.

JDAWG
02-06-2006, 10:22 AM
The 207 is deff fuel pump, the others I cant get to cross, unplug them and see what happens, well I guess when you get your car running

minigts
02-08-2006, 11:50 PM
I would say they are AC and Fan relay, mainly for the coloring in the wires. Easy way to find that out is trace the wires (preferably the green ones) to where they go. I would imagine the gray wires combine and go to fuseable links. But I was working with a 1987 Daytona harness, so it may be different.