Went to the track....car was sloooooowwwwww

[93sundance]

The car is an 85 Shelby charger, T1, log, A520. It is bone stock, and has 208k miles. I have no idea what the boost is at, because it doesnt have a gauge. The best time I could run was a 17.003 @ 80 w/ 2.28 60 ft. My friend did a best of 17.3, and it is his car lol. We couldn't shift real fast because the shifter linkage likes to pop off easy.
How do these times sound for being bone stock? What kind of ETs do bone stock l bodies run with T1 log ?

[turbovanman²]

That sounds about right, bone stock, no ic and stock boost. Now you have a benchmark, knock 5 secs off, :thumb: :partywoot:

[93sundance]

:lol: I figured it probably is about right since log intakes suck. We plan to knock off at least 3-4 seconds :thumb: 5 would be nice though :evil:

THE IMPORTANT THING IS IT DIDNT BREAK!!! :nod:

[Mopar_Nutz]

Sounds about right for a stock minivan! hahaha I dunno, I always pictured stock L bodies to be in the high 15 range. I'd be curious about the boost level too. Give it a tune-up if it needs and get that shift linkage on there so you can beat on it a little. I think even stock it should have a fair bit more in it...

[Directconnection]

Simon, a SC is a light L-body. No excuse for that car bone stock to run 17s. T-I auto minis run low 17s like the poster above me noted. Car magazines back in the day tested them to run 15.8 or 15.9 in the 1/4. I would say if it runs low 16s then you are where it should be at.

[93sundance]

Hmm......maybe there is some boost issues, or the exhaust is clogged. We just replaced plugs, wires, cap, and rotor. The fuel filter will be next. I should probably check the timing too. I checked the fault codes, and there are none.

[turbovanman²]

Simon, a SC is a light L-body. No excuse for that car bone stock to run 17s. T-I auto minis run low 17s like the poster above me noted. Car magazines back in the day tested them to run 15.8 or 15.9 in the 1/4. I would say if it runs low 16s then you are where it should be at.

Your right, lighter, but shitty intake. Stock T1 vans run mid to low 16's, :thumb: :partywoot:

But as stated, he doesn't know how much boost he's running, cat could be plugged, shitty 60 ft's, and can't hammer it too hard due to the shift linkage.

[93sundance]

I didnt think the 60fts were all that bad :) Yea, they could be better. However, compared to the average TM driver, mine were not bad at all.

[Keito]

When I raced my GLHT years ago, I cut off the exhaust
right after the cat, took out the rear seats and went 15.01.
Don't remember the mph.
I think there is a problem somewhere.
I remember the guy in Michigan that works at Dart
heads went high 12's with a T1 setup, log intake and all.
I agree with Simon, plugged exhaust, cam off a tooth or something.

[Directconnection]

Your right, lighter, but shitty intake. Stock T1 vans run mid to low 16's, :thumb: :partywoot:
Not from what I have seen. Gus reported in the 17 second range when stock from what I recall.

[turbovanman²]

Not from what I have seen. Gus reported in the 17 second range when stock from what I recall.

I've raced 2 stock minivans, only mods were exhaust and a few more psi, low to mid 16's. Maybe bone stock 17 range, ack. :(

[GLHNSLHT2]

My GLH ran 15.8 bone stock. The MPH was in the high 80's. You've got something wrong. A MP puter and muffler delete brought it down to 15.1@92. A grainger valve to 15.5psi made it run 14.7@94, and converting over to a ported exhaust manny, and a mild ported blow through intake with T2 electronics and a cat delete best run was a 14.8@97. Heat soak in the intake and hot air out of the turbo killed it. My heavy 87 ShelbyZ with just a straight pipe side exit and a grainger for 15psi ran 14.4@99 on it's stock 2.2 setup. So adding an i/c and a good intake helps.

[Directconnection]

I've raced 2 stock minivans, only mods were exhaust and a few more psi, low to mid 16's. Maybe bone stock 17 range, ack. :(

hehehe...since when does "stock" mean mild modifications which leads us to the term: "bone stock?"

I found a nice '89 turbo mini for someone here in Maine a few years back. He installed a supra cooler and better exhaust and 15-16psi. Low 16s is what he got. It was obviously not in great tune.

[contraption22]

The log intake is far from ideal... but also far from beng the bottleneck at this stage. Log cars are capable of 13's even 12's.

[Ondonti]

When i first talked to josh I just assume since there is no boost gauge they dont know whats going on and cars this old tend to have someone who eventually has screwed up the vacuum lines etc.

[93sundance]

It is good to know the car has alot of potential with the log intake. We will be picking up a boost gauge sometime this week and go from there. Thanks guys.

[GLHNSLHT2]

you might be able to do 13's on the log but you'll go much faster a lot quicker with an intercooler and a blowthrough intake. Safer to boot.

[Turbodave]

My 87 Shelby Charger ran 15.6's consistently when it was stock except for an MP computer and K&N drop in filter. This was with 2.3 60ft's on street tires. I would expect high 15's from a stock Shelby Charger.

[93sundance]

well I installed a boost gauge, and the turbo spools right up. Boost is at the factory 7 psi. At least now i Know that isn't the issue.

[Vigo]

running 17.0 in a turbo charger: funny.
having a tbi aries run side by side with you: priceless. :P

i wish i was up there. just for my own entertainment.. but yeh theres no doubt you will pick up at least a second when you find the issue here. id have to build a motor or put on nitrous to gain another second lol.

[93sundance]

lol, i got a 16.9 out of it last night. 2.3 60 ft, but i shifted a little faster. Still no mods. Car is pathetic lol.

[93sundance]

The car improved a little.
http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/showpost.php?p=170731&postcount=7

[93sundance]

Here is a video from tonight:
http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15249

[8valves]

Check cam timing. Boost could be showing stock but the cam be off and run like poo. I've had that be the case on 2 of the TD's I've bought off of others who said it didn't "feel right".

My old car went 16.01 with stock exhaust, stock computer, junk tires.... and WATER IN THE ECU. Couldn't figure out why it didn't feel right that day, random misfires here and there, sheesh!

[Vigo]

checking cam timing is so easy on these, you should do it on every single car you buy. now if only the tensioner were easier to use id mess with my cam timing just for fun.

but seriously. ive run with my cam one tooth retarded and base timing up to 20*, ran fine. then i ran it correct, and then one tooth advanced. none was significantly faster than the other but it would definitely account for the few tenths you're still missing.