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gasketmaster
05-25-2007, 02:13 AM
The old bucket of bolts put the smack down today :thumb:

The new M&H 9 x 27 slicks were just about worthless in low gear...LOL!!!


http://www.blackholehunter.com/Videos/Rayday5-24/terry12.23.wmv
http://www.blackholehunter.com/Videos/Rayday5-24/terry12.25.wmv
http://www.blackholehunter.com/Videos/Rayday5-24/terry12.26.wmv
http://www.blackholehunter.com/Videos/Rayday5-24/terry12.27.wmv

Pat
05-25-2007, 05:20 AM
Great work. That bucket of bolts moves pretty damn good!

GLHSKEN
05-25-2007, 06:36 AM
Great Job Terry. How were the 60's

glhs875
05-25-2007, 06:38 AM
Awesome runs!!! Looks like 11's are right around the corner!

Keito
05-25-2007, 07:16 AM
Great Job!
Now bracket race it.

turbovanmanČ
05-25-2007, 10:28 AM
Wow, I am speechless, great job man, :nod: :thumb:

That thing pulls so nicely, :D

mcsvt
05-25-2007, 10:36 AM
Can't watch the videos right now, but I can imagine it's amazing :D

2.216VTurbo
05-25-2007, 11:31 AM
OK, so the 'business' people are getting pissed at starbucks, I watched each clip like 20 times at full volume on the laptop:evil:

Freakin SaaaWeeeet!!!:dancingbana:

Props to the camera man too, he did a great job of holding steady and getting the scoreboard, so many guys F that up and it ruins the footage:confused:

For some reason the motor sounds a little different on the .27 run? I like that audio the best, sounds leaner and meaner somehow. Did you make boost/fuel adjustments between any of the runs? Kick --- bracket machine with consistancy like that:thumb:

glhs399
05-25-2007, 12:14 PM
Terry, The magic 8ball sees 11's in you distant future!!! Good job man!!!

Doug
Hillsboro, Oregon

BadAssPerformance
05-25-2007, 01:45 PM
Kickass Terry! :thumb:

gasketmaster
05-25-2007, 02:16 PM
Great Job Terry. How were the 60's

Thanks Ken!

Most were in the 2.0 range.....LOL!!!

Best was 1.98

While embarrassing to admit it also shows the potential of a high 11 if I can just muster a 1.8x :)

I'm going to possibly test it again at PIR this Saturday night to see if it was just the track conditions.

I thought these big slicks would couple it to the earth for sure.......NOT!!!

gasketmaster
05-25-2007, 02:22 PM
Props to the camera man too, he did a great job of holding steady and getting the scoreboard, so many guys F that up and it ruins the footage:confused:

For some reason the motor sounds a little different on the .27 run? I like that audio the best, sounds leaner and meaner somehow. Did you make boost/fuel adjustments between any of the runs? Kick --- bracket machine with consistancy like that:thumb:

Scott James did the videos..........he's the best you could ask for IMO :thumb:

He also hauled the minivan to the track for me in his new enclosed trailer :eyebrows:

THANKS Scott!!!

I made one tuneup adjustment all day :)

I still have not touched the timing and it is still running rich on the top end :eyebrows:

turbovanmanČ
05-25-2007, 02:22 PM
Wanna tune my van? ;)

gasketmaster
05-25-2007, 02:24 PM
Thanks for the support everybody :)

BIG PSI
05-25-2007, 02:48 PM
With all the HYPE of who is going to get their Mini Van into the 11's first I fiqured that I whould up the ANTE a little more.

Here are the ground rules
1. it must be FWD--Mopar
2. it must have a 4-cylinder Mopar motor
3. you must have it on video
4. you must post the time slip with a scan
5. last but not least you must back it up within 1%

---if you run 11.99 you must run at least a 12.11 on the same date at
the same track---

FIRST ONE TO DO THIS WILL GET A CHECK FROM ME FOR $250.00


Good Luck
Chuck Green

Dave
05-25-2007, 03:30 PM
Man, Terry that's just awesome. If you can hook you'll have the 11's for sure. I still can't believe you're doing all this on such a basic setup. What's your tranny set up like to take all this punishment?

Also was it just me or did I hear some piston slap? Was it ever rebuilt?

gasketmaster
05-25-2007, 04:19 PM
With all the HYPE of who is going to get their Mini Van into the 11's first I fiqured that I whould up the ANTE a little more.

Here are the ground rules
1. it must be FWD--Mopar
2. it must have a 4-cylinder Mopar motor
3. you must have it on video
4. you must post the time slip with a scan
5. last but not least you must back it up within 1%

---if you run 11.99 you must run at least a 12.11 on the same date at
the same track---

FIRST ONE TO DO THIS WILL GET A CHECK FROM ME FOR $250.00


Good Luck
Chuck Green

Hey Chuck you forgot one.........it must be 8 valve :D

I'll see what I can do to help relieve you of your cash my friend ;)

My timeslip scans are coming.........I left the slips with Scott so he could scan them :thumb:

gasketmaster
05-25-2007, 04:25 PM
Man, Terry that's just awesome. If you can hook you'll have the 11's for sure. I still can't believe you're doing all this on such a basic setup. What's your tranny set up like to take all this punishment?

Also was it just me or did I hear some piston slap? Was it ever rebuilt?

Thanks Bryan :)

The tranny is nothing special really.It has the later 4 pinion planet and tighter clearences in the clutch pack.All new side and pinion gears in the diff with a crappy Phantom grip.I just installed a RMVB and Forward Motion converter(I had Pat's Converter service it recently).

The tranny has probably 75+ passes on it so far :thumb:

turbovanmanČ
05-25-2007, 05:42 PM
Hey Chuck you forgot one.........it must be 8 valve :D

I'll see what I can do to help relieve you of your cash my friend ;)

My timeslip scans are coming.........I left the slips with Scott so he could scan them :thumb:


8 and 16, :thumb:

BadAssPerformance
05-25-2007, 05:52 PM
8 and 16, :thumb:

Chuck's call on that, it is his money he is putting up.

If I were making the rules and putting up the money, I'd say it had to be at SDAC-17 too! ;)

gasketmaster
05-25-2007, 06:06 PM
Here's some links to my timeslips :)

Before anybody bags on me about the reaction times........this was a test only day.They were running mostly singles all day.I was just letting the tree activate before I even started to spool the turbo up ;)

http://www.blackholehunter.com/Videos/Terry/timeslip12.23web.JPG
http://www.blackholehunter.com/Videos/Terry/timeslip12.25forweb.JPG
http://www.blackholehunter.com/Videos/Terry/timeslip12.26forweb.JPG

NeonShowCar
05-25-2007, 06:15 PM
With all the HYPE of who is going to get their Mini Van into the 11's first I fiqured that I whould up the ANTE a little more.

Here are the ground rules
1. it must be FWD--Mopar
2. it must have a 4-cylinder Mopar motor
3. you must have it on video
4. you must post the time slip with a scan
5. last but not least you must back it up within 1%

---if you run 11.99 you must run at least a 12.11 on the same date at
the same track---

FIRST ONE TO DO THIS WILL GET A CHECK FROM ME FOR $250.00


Good Luck
Chuck Green

I'll offer $300 and you MUST throw in the Pink Slip to the van!! :D













Congrats!

contraption22
05-25-2007, 07:44 PM
Congrats Terry!

GLHSKEN
05-25-2007, 07:59 PM
:confused: If it's on video, Why do you need a timeslip. The video will show the time???

GLHNSLHT2
05-25-2007, 07:59 PM
yes must be 8v!

BIG PSI
05-25-2007, 08:22 PM
:confused: If it's on video, Why do you need a timeslip. The video will show the time???

Honestly, the only reason I want the time slips is to see how the Mini Van performed going down the track....

Regards
Chuck Green

turbovanmanČ
05-25-2007, 09:08 PM
yes must be 8v!


Why????

GLHNSLHT2
05-25-2007, 11:01 PM
Why? Because that's the challenge of it. Anyone can bolt in a 16v and go much faster. But to go fast on a 8v shows what you're made of.

turbovanmanČ
05-26-2007, 03:10 AM
Why? Because that's the challenge of it. Anyone can bolt in a 16v and go much faster. But to go fast on a 8v shows what you're made of.


Ok Mr Masi, ;)

If you can make a Minivan fast, it doesnt' matter, 8 or 16 valve.

Dave
05-26-2007, 08:28 AM
Ok Mr Masi, ;)

If you can make a Minivan fast, it doesnt' matter, 8 or 16 valve.

Simon and I are racing the piggiest of the pigs. :amen: When are you hitting the track again Simon?

dds78910
05-26-2007, 09:44 AM
That's sweet, I hope my Spirit is that fast when I get it together this year.:D

GLHNSLHT2
05-26-2007, 10:32 AM
Ok Mr Masi, ;)

If you can make a Minivan fast, it doesnt' matter, 8 or 16 valve.

Simon my project isn't "worlds fastest 8v minivan" though. It's a carry the front tires out past the 60ft project :)

contraption22
05-26-2007, 11:43 AM
Why????


Because invariably anybody that pulls a racing "class" out of their butt already has a car built to fit the rules and wouldn't mind having the odds stacked in their favor.

In my eyes Simon... wether it's 8v,16v,turbo,nitrous, etc... first is first. You go for it Simon.

turbovanmanČ
05-26-2007, 02:30 PM
Simon and I are racing the piggiest of the pigs. :amen: When are you hitting the track again Simon?

No idea, summers ticking by and still no pistons, :mecry:

If I dont' get them soon, I won't be racing at all this summer.


Because invariably anybody that pulls a racing "class" out of their butt already has a car built to fit the rules and wouldn't mind having the odds stacked in their favor.

In my eyes Simon... wether it's 8v,16v,turbo,nitrous, etc... first is first. You go for it Simon.


I agree but honestly, the way things are going, all records will be smashed and my van will still be sitting in pieces.

Ground Rat
05-27-2007, 03:24 AM
Nice mph!! Your van is easily an 11 second van with a decent launch; I can definitely see you spinning out of the hole. Were you turning up boost progressively? What tire pressure were you running? How long of a burnout? Have you changed anything in the suspension?

It would be great to see you run; please post or pm me the next time you are planning to head to Woodburn or PIR! I hope to have my van back on the road fairly soon. :thumb:

Keith

gasketmaster
05-27-2007, 11:45 AM
Nice mph!! Your van is easily an 11 second van with a decent launch; I can definitely see you spinning out of the hole. Were you turning up boost progressively? What tire pressure were you running? How long of a burnout? Have you changed anything in the suspension?

It would be great to see you run; please post or pm me the next time you are planning to head to Woodburn or PIR! I hope to have my van back on the road fairly soon. :thumb:

Keith

Thanks!

I made one boost adjustment early in the day and left everything alone after that.

I ran the slicks from 14-12psi but it made no difference because the track was greasy that day...........120 degree track surface temperature ;)

I'm just starting to work on my suspension to improve the 60' numbers :)

I ran last night at PIR. The hook was much better but there was a pretty stiff head wind coming down the track all night so my best was only a 12.22@111 :(

At this point the performance is very consistent so improvements should be easy to see as they come.

I just need to keep rubbing on it..........and it will get there :)

GLHSKEN
05-27-2007, 12:03 PM
Hmmm Another new record!!! Congrats. 60' on that Please!!!:nod:

Chuck... Gotcha. A full timeslip tells a TON of info.

gasketmaster
05-27-2007, 05:57 PM
Hmmm Another new record!!! Congrats. 60' on that Please!!!:nod:

Chuck... Gotcha. A full timeslip tells a TON of info.

Thanks Ken :)

I should probably be satisfied with 12.22 but I'm not......I want Chuck's cash :D

Here's the slip stats:

60'..............1.956

1/8..............7.861@91.26

1/4..............12.223@111.08

I believe it was all in the track conditions. I tried leaving hard, leaving soft and leaving in between. We tried adjusting the tire pressure as well.

At the end of 6 passes still no major gain trying anything we did. The head wind along with the really bumpy track might have cancelled out any progress we may have made.

Here was the results:

12.22@111
12.26@111
12.27@111
12.27@111
12.31@110 (really strong head wind)
12.37@110 (easy leave)

Dave
05-27-2007, 06:44 PM
I have a simple solution, Terry. NAAAaaaaWWWwwwwZZzzZZZzZ!!! :nod:

gasketmaster
05-27-2007, 06:55 PM
I have a simple solution, Terry. NAAAaaaaWWWwwwwZZzzZZZzZ!!! :nod:

It didn't say I couldn't use the bottle in your dad's rules so I guess it must be OK :eyebrows:

I wonder if the cast pistons would go BOOM :D

BIG PSI
05-27-2007, 07:03 PM
It didn't say I couldn't use the bottle in your dad's rules so I guess it must be OK :eyebrows:

I wonder if the cast pistons would go BOOM :D

The RULES are set in stone !!!!

My money, my rules.....

So if it takes N2O and you got the courage do it..

If it takes a T3 motor or a MASI motor or a SRT-4 motor stuffed in one

THEN DO IT.

Come on guys THIS IS THE YEAR !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Good Luck
Chuck Green

turbovanmanČ
05-27-2007, 07:16 PM
The RULES are set in stone !!!!

My money, my rules.....

So if it takes N2O and you got the courage do it..

If it take a T3 or a MASI motor or a SRT-4 motor stuffed in one DO IT.

Come on guys THIS IS THE YEAR !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Good Luck
Chuck Green

Thats what I want to hear, my pistons are here next week but I have a feeling Terry will beat me to it, I am at least another month away from it running.

Ondonti
05-27-2007, 07:22 PM
I think the 8v rule makes sense because its better to draw the line early then late.
v8 vans are already in the 11's.

Corby has a 2400# van sitting that just needs a drivetrain i believe. Maybe i can rent it and drivetrain swap temporarilly to try for some minivan records that I dont deserve :P

BIG PSI
05-27-2007, 08:04 PM
I think the 8v rule makes sense because its better to draw the line early then late.
v8 vans are already in the 11's.

Corby has a 2400# van sitting that just needs a drivetrain i believe. Maybe i can rent it and drivetrain swap temporarilly to try for some minivan records that I dont deserve :P

If CORBY will let you rent it and you want the $250.00 then go for it...

I just want this RECORD in the books.

Just follow the rules and be safe.

Chuck

turbovanmanČ
05-27-2007, 08:18 PM
I think the 8v rule makes sense because its better to draw the line early then late.
v8 vans are already in the 11's.

Corby has a 2400# van sitting that just needs a drivetrain i believe. Maybe i can rent it and drivetrain swap temporarilly to try for some minivan records that I dont deserve :P

There are no 8v vans in the 11's and I think theres 1 V8 van but I don't know if its still running.

Corby's van weighs 1200lbs less than mine, :wow1:

Directconnection
05-27-2007, 08:27 PM
Here was the results:

12.22@111
12.26@111
12.27@111
12.27@111
12.31@110 (really strong head wind)
12.37@110 (easy leave)

What I find amazing is the consistancy of this vehicle. We know how a sublte difference in a turbo car makes a huge difference in it's et, but your's is right there every time and consistant enough to actually bracket race.

Being pushed to the edge and still consistant.:thumb:

Dave
05-27-2007, 09:24 PM
Wild to see how Corby's van weighs 2,400 and Terry's goes faster weighing almost 600lbs more! :eek:

turbovanmanČ
05-27-2007, 09:45 PM
Wild to see how Corby's van weighs 2,400 and Terry's goes faster weighing almost 600lbs more! :eek:

Thats what happens when you run low 12's on 2 cylinders, :(

gasketmaster
05-27-2007, 09:50 PM
Wild to see how Corby's van weighs 2,400 and Terry's goes faster weighing almost 600lbs more! :eek:

I haven't weighed it since I took some weight out but I'll bet it's still at least 700 lbs. heavier than Corby's van ;)

I plan to weigh it real soon :)

Corby never really had a chance to get his tuneup all sorted out were as I've made about 10 passes in the 12.20's in two trips to the track :)

gasketmaster
05-27-2007, 09:54 PM
What I find amazing is the consistancy of this vehicle. We know how a sublte difference in a turbo car makes a huge difference in it's et, but your's is right there every time and consistant enough to actually bracket race.

Being pushed to the edge and still consistant.:thumb:

I'm hoping the consistancy will help me identify when I'm moving in the right direction ;)

I think it's consistant because it IS being pushed to the edge....LOL!!!

GLHNSLHT2
05-28-2007, 12:05 AM
don't forget to add driver weight. Terry isn't a flyweight. Good luck terry. Can't wait to see it done!

BadAssPerformance
05-28-2007, 12:16 AM
I'm hoping the consistancy will help me identify when I'm moving in the right direction ;)

I think it's consistant because it IS being pushed to the edge....LOL!!!

There is truth to that, After my car went 11.62 at the end of '04, it went 11.70's-11.80 (as long as I didnt cheeze a gear) all of 2005.

btw, Congrats again!

TurboMinivan
05-28-2007, 02:15 AM
Great job, Terry! Glad to see your passion rekindled.

(BTW: I posted a couple of your recent runs on turbominivan.com for the rest of the world to see.)

-Dempsey

Ubmbass
05-28-2007, 02:22 AM
HOLY CRAP!!! dempsey back from the dead

Ondonti
05-28-2007, 03:07 AM
There are no 8v vans in the 11's and I think theres 1 V8 van but I don't know if its still running.

My point was that there are v8 vans running 11's.
So I think its appropriate to draw the line @ 8VALVES for such and such record.
Once you say a 16v record is the same as an 8v record, you basically throw out any reasonable excuse to say a FWD v6 doesnt count...and I know that would never fly.

The same exact minivans which never had a 16v came from the factory with 3.0 3.3 and 3.8 in much larger numbers then any 4 cylinder. Same exact vans.
My point was to say that if corby let me rent his van, I could throw a 3.0 factory drivetrain into it and attempt for some ridiculous record which a 16v has no right to claim.

If someone wants to argue that a 16v 4 cylinder is somehow more worthy of a minivan record then Ill gladly share what I think of their intelligence.

So i really think 8valve minivans should be held to their own standard. I might not have explained this very well. I realize bigpsi see's it as an 8 valve deal but others with exotic projects dont.

Ondonti
05-28-2007, 03:09 AM
If CORBY will let you rent it and you want the $250.00 then go for it...

I just want this RECORD in the books.

Just follow the rules and be safe.

Chuck

I was attempting to make a point to those whining about 16v and not actually try something.
I dont qualify for your rules and i dont have a problem with it.

GLHSKEN
05-28-2007, 07:49 AM
Slick pressure... see PM

GLHSKEN
05-28-2007, 07:55 AM
Guys... Chuck has set out a challenge. He makes the rules. Why all the fuss about 16v or 8v. BTW... it really is ridiculous. A well done 8v will run right with a well done 16v. There are more 8v cars running fast than 16v currently. At SDAC 2 of the 3 fastest were running 8V's 3 of the top 5. (that includes SRT4's).

Stramer and Pachner are great examples. Both cars weigh about the same. 1 is 16v one is 8v. It is a toss-up on who wins. (I think only 1 runs nitrous though).

Does it really matter?

Dave
05-28-2007, 10:51 AM
Yah Rob's runs were on nitrous as Warren's were not. It's just "easier" to make a 16V more powerful.

turbovanmanČ
05-28-2007, 12:52 PM
Guys... Chuck has set out a challenge. He makes the rules. Why all the fuss about 16v or 8v. BTW... it really is ridiculous. A well done 8v will run right with a well done 16v. There are more 8v cars running fast than 16v currently. At SDAC 2 of the 3 fastest were running 8V's 3 of the top 5. (that includes SRT4's).

Stramer and Pachner are great examples. Both cars weigh about the same. 1 is 16v one is 8v. It is a toss-up on who wins. (I think only 1 runs nitrous though).

Does it really matter?

YEs, grrrrrrr, lol!


Actually not really, Terry will get there before I get my van running, lol!


Brent, name some V8 Dodge Caravans running 11's? :p

gasketmaster
05-28-2007, 02:03 PM
Guys... Chuck has set out a challenge. He makes the rules.

I really do appreciate Chuck's offer :thumb:

But everybody try to remember that this is Chuck's challenge for you to win HIS $250 :)

He's not setting the guidelines required to get a minivan into the 11's.......If you don't care about the $250 it simply doesn't matter what his guidelines are ;)

While I would enjoy collecting Chuck's $$$ just for fun......his reward is not my motivator :thumb:

If $250 IS your motivator to get a minivan in the 11's you should stop now.....LOL!!! That amount won't even buy a good set of slicks ;)

Good Luck To All :thumb:

GLHNSLHT2
05-28-2007, 02:03 PM
YEs, grrrrrrr, lol!
Actually not really, Terry will get there before I get my van running, lol!


Simon you know you even with 16v you won't break 12's. just admit it :)

gasketmaster
05-28-2007, 02:05 PM
Terry isn't a flyweight

Hey..........what are you trying to say??? :D :D :D



Thanks Jay :)

gasketmaster
05-28-2007, 02:07 PM
Great job, Terry! Glad to see your passion rekindled.

(BTW: I posted a couple of your recent runs on turbominivan.com for the rest of the world to see.)

-Dempsey

Thanks Dempsey :)

turbovanmanČ
05-28-2007, 02:39 PM
I really do appreciate Chuck's offer :thumb:

But everybody try to remember that this is Chuck's challenge for you to win HIS $250 :)

He's not setting the guidelines required to get a minivan into the 11's.......If you don't care about the $250 it simply doesn't matter what his guidelines are ;)

While I would enjoy collecting Chuck's $$$ just for fun......his reward is not my motivator :thumb:

If $250 IS your motivator to get a minivan in the 11's you should stop now.....LOL!!! That amount won't even buy a good set of slicks ;)

Good Luck To All :thumb:

Exactly, I just want my van back, I miss it, :(


Simon you know you even with 16v you won't break 12's. just admit it :)

Always a comedian somewhere. :(

BIG PSI
05-28-2007, 04:10 PM
You guys are making me LAUGH :)

But I really believe someone will break the record this year.

I am just offering an extra incentive.

Regards
Chuck

turbovanmanČ
05-28-2007, 04:26 PM
You guys are making me LAUGH :)

But I really believe someone will break the record this year.

I am just offering an extra incentive.

Regards
Chuck

I believe its broken, Terry IS the fastest minivan right now. I can't remember Corby's time but I think this is faster.

gasketmaster
05-28-2007, 04:43 PM
I believe its broken, Terry IS the fastest minivan right now. I can't remember Corby's time but I think this is faster.

I think he meant break into the 11's :thumb:

Corby's old record was 12.26@108.9 :)

My best pass so far is a 12.22@111 ;)

Clay
05-28-2007, 05:21 PM
Hey Terry, set me straight. Are you running an 8V or a 16V?

I thought it was an 8V but after reading this thread Im not so sure. ;)

thanks!
clay

turbovanmanČ
05-28-2007, 05:28 PM
I think he meant break into the 11's :thumb:

Corby's old record was 12.26@108.9 :)

My best pass so far is a 12.22@111 ;)

Sweet.

Chuck mentioned above the record will be broken, well you've broken it. Chucks deal is the first Minivan into the 11's, :thumb:

gasketmaster
05-28-2007, 06:36 PM
Hey Terry, set me straight. Are you running an 8V or a 16V?

I thought it was an 8V but after reading this thread Im not so sure. ;)

thanks!
clay

It's an 8 valve Clay :)

I posted this picture somewhere but I don't remember where......LOL!!!

turbovanmanČ
05-28-2007, 06:39 PM
White engine bays always seem bigger, :( lol!

gasketmaster
05-28-2007, 07:19 PM
Here's some more videos from Saturday night :)

http://www.blackholehunter.com/Videos/Terry/5-26/terry12.22.wmv
http://www.blackholehunter.com/Videos/Terry/5-26/terry12.26(2).wmv
http://www.blackholehunter.com/Videos/Terry/5-26/terry12.27(2).wmv


The AWESOME video work was done by my buddy Scott James :thumb:

Clay
05-28-2007, 09:28 PM
It's an 8 valve Clay :)

I posted this picture somewhere but I don't remember where......LOL!!!

thats what I thought. Thanks for the clarification and picture! ;)

Dave
05-28-2007, 09:59 PM
Just plain sexay. :)

TurboMinivan
05-29-2007, 12:58 AM
HOLY CRAP!!! dempsey back from the dead

And it only took you seven minutes to notice. <chuckle>

Seriously: dead? Nope--married. Well, that and I have some other project on my plate right now.

-Dempsey

BadAssPerformance
05-29-2007, 02:28 AM
...Chucks deal is the first Minivan into the 11's, :thumb:

After reading thru all of this, I beleive it is first "FWD Mopar Mini into the 11's"

I have at least one RWD non Mopar 11 second van video in my archives...

turbovanmanČ
05-29-2007, 03:46 AM
After reading thru all of this, I beleive it is first "FWD Mopar Mini into the 11's"

I have at least one RWD non Mopar 11 second van video in my archives...

Oye, we all know its for FWD Dodge Minivans, sheesh, :confused: :p

BadAssPerformance
05-29-2007, 08:27 AM
Sorry, lotsa talk about V-8 vans above...

The Pope
05-30-2007, 01:50 AM
Did you run the lower pressure Terry? It looks like both tires were working this time lol. That black van is in bad need of a tune up, but I have already got it going 100% better. The truck had no trouble pulling it 76 MPH up hill and I still got home saterday. What are the plans for more traction now? It is amazing, guys can run a 9 RWD with that slick. Maybe you need a 2.2 for less torque lol. The 2.5 looks almost Cummins with big boost. Keep having all this Van fun and the 3.8 will never run lol.

TurboJerry
05-30-2007, 02:49 AM
I know I won't be the first to break the 11's because of time, but I *will* be one of them. Good work!

turbovanmanČ
05-30-2007, 12:53 PM
I know I won't be the first to break the 11's because of time, but I *will* be one of them. Good work!

What do you have up your sleeve, hmmmmmmm? :eyebrows:

I wonder why all the sudden interest in Minivans?

Dave
05-30-2007, 03:36 PM
Because minivans rule. There is literally nothing more fun than whoopin' a$$ in a paint-peelin van. :eyebrows: I still need to be a soccer ball sticker...

turbovanmanČ
05-30-2007, 04:00 PM
I know they rule, thats why I have one. When I got mine in 03, there was literally no one running any, now, we have maybe 6-8 of them and maybe a few more.

Clay
05-30-2007, 04:04 PM
Yeah! No Dempsey, no paul, no gary, no gus..... I mean NO ONE! ;)

turbovanmanČ
05-30-2007, 04:35 PM
Yeah! No Dempsey, no paul, no gary, no gus..... I mean NO ONE! ;)


Hahhaaha, when I got into it, Paul had stopped, as had Dempsey, Gary didn't race his, Gus had passed away etc. Thats what I am saying, READ!!!!!!! :p

BadAssPerformance
05-30-2007, 06:02 PM
LOL, Simon is always late ;)

turbovanmanČ
05-30-2007, 06:10 PM
LOL, Simon is always late ;)


The story of my life, :eyebrows:

Directconnection
05-30-2007, 06:30 PM
Yeah! No Dempsey, no paul, no gary, no gus..... I mean NO ONE! ;)

Hehee.... turbojerry had a turbo mini before you and turboterry as well, Simon!

Trust us, there were alot of turbo mini owners into it just before and around the time you came into the scene. Then, it kinda dropped off as a few people had issues. Now, it is kindled again I must say!

splat_master86
05-30-2007, 06:51 PM
well i am the rarest of them all with the turbo 3.0L

turbovanmanČ
05-30-2007, 08:35 PM
Hehee.... turbojerry had a turbo mini before you and turboterry as well, Simon!

Trust us, there were alot of turbo mini owners into it just before and around the time you came into the scene. Then, it kinda dropped off as a few people had issues. Now, it is kindled again I must say!

That is WHAT I am saying, :nod: :partywoot:


well i am the rarest of them all with the turbo 3.0L


Pics, progress, times?

I figure if I ever do it again, I'll turbo a 3.0L, more torque, better mpg and more fun around town. :thumb:

Directconnection
05-30-2007, 09:54 PM
That is WHAT I am saying, :nod: :partywoot:




Pics, progress, times?

I figure if I ever do it again, I'll turbo a 3.0L, more torque, better mpg and more fun around town. :thumb:

and more blown 604s?

GLHNSLHT2
05-30-2007, 11:37 PM
better MPG? pffft, my mom's 3.0 spirit get's almost half the mileage my 2.5 turbo gets.

contraption22
05-30-2007, 11:44 PM
better MPG? pffft, my mom's 3.0 spirit get's almost half the mileage my 2.5 turbo gets.


Simon is fairly convinced that Turbo 8v Chryslers have the worst fuel economy of any engine ever.

BadAssPerformance
05-30-2007, 11:51 PM
Simon is fairly convinced that Turbo 8v Chryslers have the worst fuel economy of any engine ever.

Sounds like he had a bad cal... ;)

Ubmbass
05-30-2007, 11:51 PM
Hey, I have been racing since 02

turbovanmanČ
05-31-2007, 03:26 AM
Simon is fairly convinced that Turbo 8v Chryslers have the worst fuel economy of any engine ever.

Auto Minivans get sh*t for fuel economy.

With the old engine, I averaged 14 mpg, my first stockish engine, maybe 17 mpg.


Sounds like he had a bad cal... ;)

Nice, different cals, never changed.


Hey, I have been racing since 02

Yes, we all know about you Corby, :thumb:

TurboJerry
05-31-2007, 03:45 AM
What do you have up your sleeve, hmmmmmmm? :eyebrows:

I wonder why all the sudden interest in Minivans?

I just need to get it finished, but lifes situations keep it on the back burner. It has some trick parts that I wish I could test!

I think the interest is that someone is doing very good with one and it's cool!

Ondonti
05-31-2007, 05:11 AM
and more blown 604s?
Yeah thats the only transmission 3.0's came with.
You nailed it.
+1 to you. :thumb:

Ondonti
05-31-2007, 05:13 AM
Hey, I have been racing since 02 But you have to be a postwhore to count for anything in the TD community. :amen:

BadAssPerformance
05-31-2007, 08:15 AM
Nice, different cals, never changed.

They were all bad? :)

Directconnection
05-31-2007, 12:10 PM
Yeah thats the only transmission 3.0's came with.
You nailed it.
+1 to you. :thumb:

Simon wouldn't want a 5-speed.

Thanks for your sarcasm, I never would have figured out any of this TM/TD stuff without your superior knowledge.:thumb:


So Terry... making another run at the $250 title this weekend?

turbovanmanČ
05-31-2007, 12:52 PM
They were all bad? :)

Yeah, I guess the Gary D cal is junk, ;)


Simon wouldn't want a 5-speed.

Thanks for your sarcasm, I never would have figured out any of this TM/TD stuff without your superior knowledge.:thumb:


So Terry... making another run at the $250 title this weekend?

No 5 speeds for me, :thumb:

BadAssPerformance
05-31-2007, 01:15 PM
Yeah, I guess the Gary D cal is junk, ;)

Not saying any were junk, just that they were maybe not right for your van. It is hard to mail order a cal...

turbovanmanČ
05-31-2007, 01:37 PM
Not saying any were junk, just that they were maybe not right for your van. It is hard to mail order a cal...


I agree but no one around here does them or knows what there doing and I really don't want to go standalone.

gasketmaster
05-31-2007, 01:40 PM
So Terry... making another run at the $250 title this weekend?


Probably next weekend............I'll be in Seattle with the band this weekend ;)

gasketmaster
05-31-2007, 01:43 PM
Not saying any were junk, just that they were maybe not right for your van. It is hard to mail order a cal...

Hey...........I got mine from Gary by mail order.......LOL!!!

It works awesome :thumb:

Ondonti
05-31-2007, 02:13 PM
Simon wouldn't want a 5-speed.

Thanks for your sarcasm, I never would have figured out any of this TM/TD stuff without your superior knowledge.:thumb:


Exactly, Simon would not use a a670 because the only transmission that exists is the a604. Its not like he could just swap tranny cases because the a670 doesnt even exist!
+1 thanks!

BadAssPerformance
05-31-2007, 02:18 PM
Hey...........I got mine from Gary by mail order.......LOL!!!

It works awesome :thumb:

I'd say it does... you obviously have a better setup then ;)

turbovanmanČ
05-31-2007, 02:28 PM
Didn't they put a 3 speed behind the earlier 3.0L's????????? ;)

Turbodave
05-31-2007, 04:36 PM
Didn't they put a 3 speed behind the earlier 3.0L's????????? ;)

:lol:

Simon you would want the 604 though because it would be more work but give you better fuel fuel economy with the overdrive gear and all.

Directconnection
05-31-2007, 06:34 PM
Exactly, Simon would not use a a670 because the only transmission that exists is the a604. Its not like he could just swap tranny cases because the a670 doesnt even exist!
+1 thanks!

You could put a 727 torqueflite behind a 3.0 and I still wouldn't give a rat's arse. I choose not to edjumacate myself on the 3.slow, sorry.

GLHNSLHT2
05-31-2007, 07:42 PM
I agree but no one around here does them or knows what there doing and I really don't want to go standalone.

Simon, don't you have a smec? Get a flashable smec setup, and a wideband O2 and either do it yourself or drive the van down here and I'll tune it for you. It's a cakewalk. 1/4 tank of gas and an afternoon's time and it'll be done!

Vigo
05-31-2007, 07:56 PM
ou could put a 727 torqueflite behind a 3.0 and I still wouldn't give a rat's arse.

funny you should say that, because thats basically what a 670 is. and a 413. just so happens anything you can do to build a 413 (i.e. run 8s in the 1/4) you can do to a 670, since the internals are completely identical. a 3.0 is even more forgiving of the inferior gear spread of the 3 spds because of its greater torque compared to the 4cyls.

i will laugh if everyone DOESNT ignore brent in a few months.

btw: bought my first mini.. 90 tbi/523 shortvan, blue/blue, locked motor :)

turbovanmanČ
05-31-2007, 08:15 PM
Simon, don't you have a smec? Get a flashable smec setup, and a wideband O2 and either do it yourself or drive the van down here and I'll tune it for you. It's a cakewalk. 1/4 tank of gas and an afternoon's time and it'll be done!

I don't have one, do you?

I might take you up on that but I cant afford a wideband right now, :(

Turbodave
05-31-2007, 11:51 PM
Let's keep this thread going about the minivan record and keep any arguments and personal opinions about each-other and the 3.0 engine out of it.

I removed 4 posts of off topic bantering, if anyone has a problem with that let me know.

GLHNSLHT2
06-01-2007, 12:19 AM
I don't have one, do you?

I might take you up on that but I cant afford a wideband right now, :(

Sorry I meant isn't your van a smec. But I didn't see you had the year listed in your sig so of course it's a smec. Well when you get some cash to buy a flashable smec setup($130ish) and a wide band ($199 or less) come on down. I'll walk ya through what to do so when you go home and change something you can retune it yourself :)

turbovanmanČ
06-01-2007, 12:27 AM
Sorry I meant isn't your van a smec. But I didn't see you had the year listed in your sig so of course it's a smec. Well when you get some cash to buy a flashable smec setup($130ish) and a wide band ($199 or less) come on down. I'll walk ya through what to do so when you go home and change something you can retune it yourself :)

Well we;ll see how it goes, probably not this year, like I said, ran out of money and its not even running yet.

Dave
06-01-2007, 12:28 AM
If you lived close enough we could hook up my wideband into yours real quick and tune it. You wont believe how useful it is. Every little adjustment changes it.

I'm actually surprised with all your knowledge Simon, that you don't have one yet.

Anyways, yah minivans... go fast. :)

turbovanmanČ
06-01-2007, 01:29 AM
If you lived close enough we could hook up my wideband into yours real quick and tune it. You wont believe how useful it is. Every little adjustment changes it.

I'm actually surprised with all your knowledge Simon, that you don't have one yet.

Anyways, yah minivans... go fast. :)

Knowledge has nothing to do with no money, lol! I'll get it running first then we can go from there and yes, fast Minivans, :partywoot::rockon: :number1: :bounce2: :wave1: :dancingbana:

Ondonti
06-01-2007, 02:16 AM
Sell your obx for a wideband ;)

turbovanmanČ
06-01-2007, 01:10 PM
Sell your obx for a wideband ;)

Hahhaaa, no way. Once you get traction, you'll never go back to peg legs, :lol:

GLHNSLHT2
06-01-2007, 03:59 PM
once you learn how to set up suspsension you'll never need an OBX :)

Ondonti
06-01-2007, 04:13 PM
Hahhaaa, no way. Once you get traction, you'll never go back to peg legs, :lol:
Oh I completely understand. With and without obx was night and day for just going straight.

Still, you should sell something and get wideband.
Hmm, maybe you could sell you obx. :D

turbovanmanČ
06-01-2007, 04:42 PM
once you learn how to set up suspsension you'll never need an OBX :)

You can do all the setup in the world but you'll still never beat an LSD.

Tony Hanna
06-01-2007, 05:15 PM
You can do all the setup in the world but you'll still never beat an LSD.

I disagree with that statement at least as it applies to drag racing.
Sure, the LSD is king on the street and for road racing where you can run into uneven surfaces and shifting the cg due to cornering.

At the strip on an even prepared surface, a properly setup suspension (with thought given to weight distribution) is just as effective.:thumb:

BadAssPerformance
06-01-2007, 06:57 PM
You can do all the setup in the world but you'll still never beat an LSD.

My Shadow has pulled identical 60's with and without... with different gear ratios tho.

Speedeuphoria
06-01-2007, 07:04 PM
My Shadow has pulled identical 60's with and without... with different gear ratios tho.

I dont think that counts:)

That could make the difference

what gear ratios?

BadAssPerformance
06-01-2007, 07:13 PM
1.83-1.85 60' with each of the following:

A520 3.50:1 open
A555 3.85:1 open
A555/520 3.50:1 OBX

The motor doesn't have enough in it to spin the slicks at less than 4k rpm... I launch at ~ 5k+ :)

Back to minivans... what is the best minivan 60'?

GLHNSLHT2
06-01-2007, 07:29 PM
I disagree with that statement at least as it applies to drag racing.
Sure, the LSD is king on the street and for road racing where you can run into uneven surfaces and shifting the cg due to cornering.

At the strip on an even prepared surface, a properly setup suspension (with thought given to weight distribution) is just as effective.:thumb:

I disagree with Simon as well but I'll take it as far as it doesn't matter on the street or the road course either! Now if you have rubber/poly bushings and a crappy alignment and worn out suspension pieces then yes you might need posi. But once things are built right posi goes out the window.

Tony Hanna
06-01-2007, 08:01 PM
I disagree with Simon as well but I'll take it as far as it doesn't matter on the street or the road course either! Now if you have rubber/poly bushings and a crappy alignment and worn out suspension pieces then yes you might need posi. But once things are built right posi goes out the window.

Well, what I was getting at was somebody smoking the inside tire exiting a corner on a race track, or lighting one tire up on the street due to an uneven surface, a little water or ice on the road, etc. I figure there are circumstances where an LSD is beneficial, I just don't see it as a requirement for a drag car providing the weight bias is as close to neutral as possible (either through physically moving the weight or through shifting it with preload) and the suspension is set up properly.

Ondonti
06-01-2007, 08:01 PM
and you are all assuming great track prep which not everyone has and there is usually nothing complaining can do to get that fixed.

turbovanmanČ
06-01-2007, 08:09 PM
I still disagree, and agree with Brent. Track prep is sometimes mediocre at best. What about spinning the slicks? most open diffs even set will only spin one, look at Terry's vids, only one wheel is spinning.

Not sure what the best minivan 60ft is, last year managed 1.9's on a new track surface with 22's.

Tony Hanna
06-01-2007, 08:25 PM
I still disagree, and agree with Brent. Track prep is sometimes mediocre at best. What about spinning the slicks? most open diffs even set will only spin one, look at Terry's vids, only one wheel is spinning.

Not sure what the best minivan 60ft is, last year managed 1.9's on a new track surface with 22's.

I wouldn't even want to hazzard a guess as to why without knowing Terry's suspension setup and seeing his van on a set of scales to see what the weight bias is between the front tires.

turbovanmanČ
06-01-2007, 08:44 PM
Ok, riddle me this, if an open diff works, why does anyone who's anyone either run an LSD or a spool? I guess John Force is dumb for running a spool? :eyebrows: :lol:

GLHSKEN
06-01-2007, 08:52 PM
Simon, I've seen open diffed slick TD's 60' with the best of them. Suspension set-up is where it's at. Why the LSD. Try running on the street without it... You can't do it well above 300WHP. My open diffed car laid 2 nice black stripes. Spun both slicks well. Why, I shimmed the swaybar and balanced the load. I still had WAY too much weight transfer to the back.

I was only running 291 to the wheels....

Tony Hanna
06-01-2007, 09:04 PM
Ok, riddle me this, if an open diff works, why does anyone who's anyone either run an LSD or a spool? I guess John Force is dumb for running a spool? :eyebrows: :lol:

Ok now you're comparing apples to oranges. At the power levels guys like Force are making, it doesn't take much of anything to send the tires up in smoke. The torque acting on the chassis with the engine mounted parallel to the frame rails would be more than enough to shift the weight bias in one of those cars and destroy a slick with an open diff. Ever wonder why lots of RWD drag cars will carry one front wheel higher than the other on launch? Luckily we don't have that problem with a transverse driveline. The downside to that is that we have to deal with the weight shifting rearward as Ken mentioned.

BIG PSI
06-01-2007, 09:12 PM
RUBY, my 1989 Caravan ES pulled off a best 60 footer of 1.932 and it ran a
best 1/4 mile of 13.968 @ 98.04. This was on a set of BFG Drag Radials
P205/50x15 with 22 lbs of air and running 18 psi of boost of a T2 Garrett

Chuck

turbovanmanČ
06-01-2007, 09:29 PM
Ok now you're comparing apples to oranges. At the power levels guys like Force are making, it doesn't take much of anything to send the tires up in smoke. The torque acting on the chassis with the engine mounted parallel to the frame rails would be more than enough to shift the weight bias in one of those cars and destroy a slick with an open diff. Ever wonder why lots of RWD drag cars will carry one front wheel higher than the other on launch? Luckily we don't have that problem with a transverse driveline. The downside to that is that we have to deal with the weight shifting rearward as Ken mentioned.

Not really, if open diffs work so well, they'd run them, right?

We now have cheap LSD's compared to years ago when nothing was available or stupid money. Its like saying you can make 300 whp with a stock Garret turbo but why? you can make that power easier with a new larger turbo, :thumb:

Mario
06-01-2007, 09:33 PM
Simon, I've seen open diffed slick TD's 60' with the best of them. Suspension set-up is where it's at. Why the LSD. Try running on the street without it... You can't do it well above 300WHP. My open diffed car laid 2 nice black stripes. Spun both slicks well. Why, I shimmed the swaybar and balanced the load. I still had WAY too much weight transfer to the back.

I was only running 291 to the wheels....

Indeed. Moparboyy's 1.6's still drop my jaw.

Tony Hanna
06-01-2007, 09:51 PM
Not really, if open diffs work so well, they'd run them, right?

We now have cheap LSD's compared to years ago when nothing was available or stupid money. Its like saying you can make 300 whp with a stock Garret turbo but why? you can make that power easier with a new larger turbo, :thumb:

You're completely missing the point.:banghead: Let me try this again...

Aside from shifting weight rearward, RWD cars also shift weight from one side to another on launch because of the direction the rotating mass is spinning (perpendicular) in relation to the car itself. So, yes, they do benifit from lockers, spools, lsd's, etc.

FWD's on the other hand don't do that because the force from rotating mass is acting parallel to the body, so the weight shift is all front to back instead of side to side.

Maybe Frank or Ken can explain this better than I can, but what it boils down to is that comparing a FWD with the need for an LSD in a RWD IS comparing apples to oranges.

turbovanmanČ
06-01-2007, 10:00 PM
I get exactly what your saying and I am just saying that the power we make these days, there definately an added asset.

I don't know about you but I got tired of blown diffs.

Tony Hanna
06-01-2007, 10:18 PM
I get exactly what your saying and I am just saying that the power we make these days, there definately an added asset.

I don't know about you but I got tired of blown diffs.

Ok, I'll give you that. In a case where a person isn't willing or able to set up the suspension and weight bias properly (lets face it, not everybody wants to go relocating the heavy bits to the passanger side or running preload devices the left rear of their daily driver) then yes, they are an asset.
All I was trying to get across is that it is possible to achieve the same results without an LSD.

BadAssPerformance
06-01-2007, 11:38 PM
Indeed. Moparboyy's 1.6's still drop my jaw.

We got a theory on that one... the car was kind of ... rusty. So maybe the unibody flexed to let the car hug the track? ;)

Ondonti
06-01-2007, 11:40 PM
You still need equal traction for your "perfect" suspension setup to work.
You cant always guaranty that.
Now...the 9 second hondas around here all seem to run open dif with no problems. They just spin both slicks :D

splat_master86
06-02-2007, 12:46 AM
Pics, progress, times?


i ran a 15.488 once at 9psi but my A/FR was 17.1( dyno at 189hp)
so i got a new setup and never got to run at the track but did get to the dyno to show 247hp then my 604 blew on the way home

turbovanmanČ
06-02-2007, 12:17 PM
i ran a 15.488 once at 9psi but my A/FR was 17.1( dyno at 189hp)
so i got a new setup and never got to run at the track but did get to the dyno to show 247hp then my 604 blew on the way home


Excellent, but sorry the trans took a dump, :(

TurboJerry
06-04-2007, 03:14 AM
I think the OBX/Quaife is necessary because I don't want to freakin worry about it. It sure is nice to pull up to any stop light and be able to race someone without burning one tire. All my FWD cars are street cars so the weight balance thing doesn't work unless you make passes on the only street that gives equal traction. (highly unlikely) And believe me I went to great lengths to try to balance the front, and it was a pot luck weather it would do both or one tire. This was way before the LSD's came out.......

csxtra
06-04-2007, 04:00 PM
^^^ +1

And don't forget that you'll always get both slicks warmed up during your burnout at the track, making the 60fts more consistent.

Warren

GLHNSLHT2
06-04-2007, 09:32 PM
Well, what I was getting at was somebody smoking the inside tire exiting a corner on a race track, or lighting one tire up on the street due to an uneven surface, a little water or ice on the road, etc. I figure there are circumstances where an LSD is beneficial, I just don't see it as a requirement for a drag car providing the weight bias is as close to neutral as possible (either through physically moving the weight or through shifting it with preload) and the suspension is set up properly.

Unless there's ice on one tire and dry warm pavement on the other I spin both. Doesn't matter. But then again I have bushings that don't allow the toe to change at all.

mopar-tech
06-06-2007, 08:41 PM
Hey...........I got mine from Gary by mail order.......LOL!!!

It works awesome :thumb:

Much obliged.

Dave
06-20-2007, 11:12 PM
Hey Terry, you mentioned to me that you run high 12's at 275WHP. Have you dynoed it lately once running low 12's? I'm assuming that would require around 330 WHP in the same weight van. If someone can get a van to push over 350 WHP and hook, I'm certain somebody will breach the 11's finally. :nod:

I would not feel comfortable doing that in a van unless I had a cage. I'm a big enough scaredy-cat trapping 102, nonetheless 112. :eek:

gasketmaster
06-23-2007, 08:45 PM
Hey Terry, you mentioned to me that you run high 12's at 275WHP. Have you dynoed it lately once running low 12's? I'm assuming that would require around 330 WHP in the same weight van. If someone can get a van to push over 350 WHP and hook, I'm certain somebody will breach the 11's finally. :nod:

I would not feel comfortable doing that in a van unless I had a cage. I'm a big enough scaredy-cat trapping 102, nonetheless 112. :eek:

12.91 was 275 whp

12.69 was 302 whp

I haven't dynoed it yet like it is now but I think I have enough power to run a high 11.......I just need a few tweaks and some traction ;)

My band has been playing out for the last 4 weekends in a row so I haven't been able to get to the track :mad:

I hope to go soon :D

GLHNSLHT2
06-23-2007, 11:57 PM
terry curious, did you strap it to the dyno and get those #'s or is that using the trap speed calculator?

gasketmaster
06-24-2007, 06:01 PM
terry curious, did you strap it to the dyno and get those #'s or is that using the trap speed calculator?

Actual dyno numbers ;)

turbovanmanČ
06-25-2007, 04:57 PM
I was at PIR this weekend, was hoping to see a white box go flying by the infield but nothing, :(

Dave
07-01-2007, 02:44 AM
I'd like to go racing once before I put my toys on and see the difference. I found my boost leak, so hopefully I can sometime next week since I'm on vacation. Woohoo!!

John B
07-02-2007, 12:51 PM
Have you guys ever watched the videos of Gus Mahon's "Mean Mini" coming out of the hole? No LSD, just suspension setup.

Directconnection
07-02-2007, 05:53 PM
Gus' mean mini did have an LSD. It was one of the 1st way back. Similar to the phantom grips of today. It was done by his friend, Seth Prentis of MA and Seth's pal Pat and the company was called "Future Auto"

They sold a good amount, but after time, they started losing their posi grip due to wear and such. They even had little clutch discs pushing on the spiders instead of metal on metal. Sounds better than the PG's, but not sure why they weren't.

TurboJerry
07-24-2007, 03:11 AM
Not enough clutch discs was why the Future auto unit didn't do so well. If it had 4 discs/steels on each side like a RWD clutch type diff, then I'm sure it would be many times better.

Aries_Turbo
07-28-2007, 12:52 AM
i wonder if there is room for at least two discs and a steel.... of course you have to have to attach the discs to the carrier and the steel to the splines of the shaft and there is only so much material you can take out. prolly for the machine and parts work a OBX is still cheaper.

Brian

TurboJerry
07-28-2007, 10:45 PM
i wonder if there is room for at least two discs and a steel.... of course you have to have to attach the discs to the carrier and the steel to the splines of the shaft and there is only so much material you can take out. prolly for the machine and parts work a OBX is still cheaper.

Brian

There is room, It requires splining the side gears and the carrier for the clutches.

Speedeuphoria
07-29-2007, 03:00 AM
Here ya go this is what Brain is trying/planning. He's on here also but prob hasn't found this thread yet. Anyway check it out, this is used in conjunction w/ a ford spring.

http://www.turbododge.com/forums/f4/f22/133986-8-8-ford-lsd-possible-copy-2.html#post1149541

TurboJerry
07-29-2007, 03:16 AM
I was thinking small foreign car clutch type clutches/steels. Maybe 3 or 4 on each side. Or maybe a "cone type" LSD like the '69 to '89 RWD Mopars. This would require custom side gears with the cone on them though. I think the break away torque is really important to have the LSD working right. RWD diffs usually have 200 lbs or more. (you can usually torque the lug nuts with the front in the air and the trans in gear with the E-brake off)

glhs875
07-29-2007, 11:08 AM
Yea, I keep progressing with the Ford wave spring setup. It works pretty good with only the wave spring. If I had access to a machine shop, I could whip up something really good for a vey marginal price. Here's some pictures of some side gear shims that I had coated with some high grade carbon material. I have found that I can use a brake lathe to remove material off the side gears to account for the added thickness of the coated shims if I keep a sharp bit on the lathe. Should add alot more breakaway torque to the setup all for about $70.00 worth of parts. We shall see soon!

Vigo
08-13-2007, 09:10 PM
gads man need constant info/updates on that one.

been driving my tbi/523 van around for a few weeks.. need me a stock 90 turbo van harness :) PM plz

Directconnection
08-14-2007, 07:44 PM
I have one. PMing you now.

RoadWarrior222
08-14-2007, 09:25 PM
Mebbe something to do with the weight and drag of the mini, there was a 2.5 TBI with A413 in the family, that never seemed to do much better than the 3.0 A670 I've got. The TBI would hold it's own around the city, 21 vs 19 mpg and at 50-60mph about matched the 3.0 but at 70 it was more like 25 to 20 in the 3.0s favour.

edit: oops, replying to something that's back on page six about mpg in turbo vans.

gasketmaster
08-15-2007, 04:46 PM
Just thought I would update this thread :)

My current best is now 12.19 @ 111

I've recently changed a couple more things.....just waiting to get back to the track for testing :eyebrows:

turbovanmanČ
08-15-2007, 05:11 PM
What did you do?

Directconnection
08-15-2007, 06:02 PM
He ran those times back in july. Just updating the thread for others who stumble across page whatever we are at now.

gasketmaster
08-16-2007, 03:40 PM
What did you do?

I just did a gear change and tire change ;)

We'll see what happens :)

Directconnection
08-16-2007, 06:28 PM
I just did a gear change and tire change ;)

We'll see what happens :)

Run it this weekend! Please?