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Frank
01-21-2006, 08:05 AM
Even with my lack of being on TD, I have been keeping in touch with Ash's project. He is faxing me the latest dyno sheets where cam's made no difference. However he did make 1014-hp and 960-ftlbs!!!!!!!

For those that don't know him, he is from Austraila and is planning on using this engine to drag race a rail. You can see a similar car to his below. Also below are his previous dyno results where he made 846-hp 820-ftlbs.


Frank

Frank
01-22-2006, 10:49 AM
Here is the latest dyno sheet sent to me!

1014-hp @ 6100-rpms
959-ft*lbs @ 4950-rpms

Impressive!!!!
[smilie=8,41,15]


Frank

BadAssPerformance
01-22-2006, 11:14 AM
Gotta love dyno sheets that start at 720! :thumb:

Frank
01-22-2006, 11:22 AM
Yeh me and Ash were talking... he is out of turbo. I didnt agree with him at first because I thought he had 60trims... nope 57. So he is going to do some head work first to help extend the rpm range to close to 7000rpms.


Frank

BadAssPerformance
01-22-2006, 11:51 AM
How much boost is he running on those 57's?

Frank
01-22-2006, 11:59 AM
he said 24psi... however anymore boost doesnt gain any power. i personally think he has a bottleneck somewhere. him running out of turbo is also signified by him dropping off around 6200rpms.


frank

BadAssPerformance
01-22-2006, 12:02 PM
Intake plenums are kinda small...

Or its just exponentially hotter above 24 psi as I dont see an I/C or fogger system in those pics.

Frank
01-22-2006, 12:13 PM
its a methanol car, so its about as cool as you can get. running his system against formulas, he has a very efficent setup for what he has. the problem is that he is running off the right side of the compressor map at his rpm range. at 6000rpms, he is on the edge. You can see why it drops off in the dyno plot as it does because of it.

We both agree though that his stock oem heads need to be upgraded. I would also have to agree that he needs about twice the plenum volume he has now.


Frank

BadAssPerformance
01-22-2006, 12:22 PM
gotcha on the meth...

what's your plenum volume rule 'o thumb? match displacement?

Frank
01-22-2006, 12:27 PM
My personal preference from watching other cars, is a minimum of the displacement. I would say 120% for turbo motors. People disagree, however I think its better to slow the air down and allow it to evenly distribute... just look at the size of the plenum for the top dogs.


Frank

BadAssPerformance
01-22-2006, 12:34 PM
then his intake plenums look waaay too small.

ash
01-22-2006, 04:22 PM
How much boost is he running on those 57's?

24 psi @ 4000 rpm
27.3 psi @ 6600 rpm

ash

ash
01-22-2006, 04:27 PM
engine is fitted to car, tranny is in too. Just making throttle brackets.
about the plenum, one of my mates did some testing on another chev 377 twin turbo, found no performance in different types of plenums volumes. his engine was meth too.
ash

Frank
01-22-2006, 04:58 PM
Thanks for the real life informaiton. I wonder if matters less and less as you go up in airflow/boost?


Frank

moparzrule
01-23-2006, 12:18 AM
Heads are 80% of the cork, still impressive numbers for stock heads but it's the reason for no power over 6000 RPM. With better heads and intake you will make more power at 20 PSI than you do at 27 now, those 57 trims will no longer be out of the MAP.

ash
01-23-2006, 04:55 AM
BEEN THINKING ABOUT THAT MOPARRULE.....
Over view of the data i've created...
Turbos' creat CFM and which is flow .. which is Horsepower, heads / valves creat restriction ( which is boost- air compressed which isn't in the cylinder..)
Intake runner volume dictats the rpm in which the engine will make peak hp ( eg. samll intake runner vol = lower rpm , large intake runner vol = higher rpm) , and camshaft dictates the rpm in which the torque is peaked. Ignition timing has a baring on the rate of which the hp ramps in relation to rpm.
Basicly, what happens in a N/A engine, happens in a turboed engine with the same duration cam, but there is MORE hp and TQ with boost....
69 dyno pulls in 3 days, couple of camshafts, different pairs of turbo's
Wrecked 1 block ( torched from too lean), 1 cylinder head ( torched from too lean) , 1 piston ( torched from too lean ), 2 * 44 gals of methanol fuel

Frank
01-23-2006, 06:39 AM
I have been thinking too. Its a tough call--so close to maxing out the turbo and heads... you dont really know which it is.


Frank

ash
01-23-2006, 07:31 AM
Frank,
Got the engine and tranny in car, Painting clean coat on body tonite. Send pics soon
ash

ash
01-23-2006, 07:35 AM
BEEN THINKING ABOUT THAT MOPARRULE.....
Over view of the data i've created...
Turbos' creat CFM and which is flow .. which is Horsepower, heads / valves creat restriction ( which is boost- air compressed which isn't in the cylinder..)
Intake runner volume dictats the rpm in which the engine will make peak hp ( eg. samll intake runner vol = lower rpm , large intake runner vol = higher rpm) , and camshaft dictates the rpm in which the torque is peaked. Ignition timing has a baring on the rate of which the hp ramps in relation to rpm.
Basicly, what happens in a N/A engine, happens in a turboed engine with the same duration cam, but there is MORE hp and TQ with boost....
69 dyno pulls in 3 days, couple of camshafts, different pairs of turbo's
Wrecked 1 block ( torched from too lean), 1 cylinder head ( torched from too lean) , 1 piston ( torched from too lean ), 2 * 44 gals of methanol fuel

Just to conferm a few things. The cam we changed, was suppose to increase rpm of hp up 500-600 rpm. NO change to hp , BUT there was a change in torque up....500 rpm....
I think the effectcy was inproved to increase torq, but the heads restricted the flow, therefore no increase in hp rpm....

Frank
01-23-2006, 07:57 AM
ahhh. makes sense.

ash
02-16-2006, 06:26 AM
ok.... racing on saturday... car in the trailer etc.. will let you know how it goes.
put some new feet on the old girl. 34.5-17-16 should stick?...
ash

Frank
02-16-2006, 08:09 AM
Awesome! I cant wait to hear how it goes! Be safe and kick butt!

8valves
02-16-2006, 03:01 PM
What kind of chassis is this in? Weight? Rear suspension configuration? Thanks.

Aaron Miller

ash
02-16-2006, 03:23 PM
What kind of chassis is this in? Weight? Rear suspension configuration? Thanks.

Aaron Millermodifed.. any configuration..... DYO racing.... no suspension in car.... approx 1800 lb

ash

8valves
02-16-2006, 04:09 PM
modifed.. any configuration..... DYO racing.... no suspension in car.... approx 1800 lb

ash

Wow, I don't even know what to say. No suspension? So like a tube/rail setup using chassis flex? What is DYO?

Aaron Miller

ash
02-21-2006, 07:42 AM
Wow, I don't even know what to say. No suspension? So like a tube/rail setup using chassis flex? What is DYO?

Aaron Miller
DYO is "dial your own". 3 qualifiers, pick your average, and dial in a time, eg. 8.0 seconds, can run up to 8.0 seconds but not faster, and still have to beat the other car to the finish line. 8 second car can race a 6.5 second car.... 6.5 second car gives other car 1.5 sec head start...

Yeep no suspension... is a altered... t-bucket...

ash
02-21-2006, 07:49 AM
had a differnt sort of day at the drags... did 3 runs, went 10.2 @ 105 mph, 9.3 @ 148 mph, and then blew the intake tube off the turbo on the third pass.
Slowly coming up on tune. 10 and 9 second runs where on the throttle stop, approx 25-30% throttle, with about 8-10 psi boost. Smoked the tyres in the first run, and parachute out from 1/2 track... .run it through on the 2nd pass, chut out at 900 feet, blew the intake tube off the turbo in the third pass...
Did some test and tuning out the front of our workshop to today, on 18 psi boost it leaves nice skids on the road.....17inch wide tyres, 250 metres long...
try get some pictures in....this is our home track... 4 hours from home tho...
ASH

http://www.palmyradragway.com.au/img/Modified%20Meet/mm29.JPG

8valves
02-21-2006, 11:58 AM
had a differnt sort of day at the drags... did 3 runs, went 10.2 @ 105 mph, 9.3 @ 148 mph, and then blew the intake tube off the turbo on the third pass.
Slowly coming up on tune. 10 and 9 second runs where on the throttle stop, approx 25-30% throttle, with about 8-10 psi boost. Smoked the tyres in the first run, and parachute out from 1/2 track... .run it through on the 2nd pass, chut out at 900 feet, blew the intake tube off the turbo in the third pass...
Did some test and tuning out the front of our workshop to today, on 18 psi boost it leaves nice skids on the road.....17inch wide tyres, 250 metres long...
try get some pictures in....this is our home track... 4 hours from home tho...
ASH


Ah, your so called DYO racing is simply called brackets stateside. Looks/sounds like a wild ride. Good luck in the future and keep us updated... sick looking body on there, and I'd love to see it make a full pass!

Aaron Miller

Frank
02-21-2006, 12:02 PM
Wow... impressive.... 9psi on that motor should be around 750 crank HP. That lines up with around 180mph. Can't wait to see this thing unleashed!


Frank

ash
02-22-2006, 06:33 AM
Wow... impressive.... 9psi on that motor should be around 750 crank HP. That lines up with around 180mph. Can't wait to see this thing unleashed!


Frank
ACTUALLY 12 PSI IS 750 HP AND 780 FT/LBS
16 PSI IS 847 HP AND 820 FT/LBS
20 PSI IS 996 HP AND 915 FT/LBS
24 PSI IS 1014 HP AND 960 FT/LBS

ASH

Frank
02-22-2006, 07:58 AM
LOL. So I was slightly off. :D hehehe

Let that thing rip! hehe

Frank
02-28-2006, 09:44 AM
Check out these pics! Thanks Ash! :thumb:


http://www.palmyradragway.com.au/img/Modified%20Meet/mm29.JPG

http://www.palmyradragway.com.au/img/Modified%20Meet/mm28.JPG

8valves
02-28-2006, 11:56 AM
Holy narrowed rear end!! :eek:

Aaron Miller

afsautoworx
03-01-2006, 10:21 PM
not to change the subject but i gotta know...in the second picture what is that car looking thing with a wooden bed on it. Kinda looks like a newer monte carlo.

Frank
03-01-2006, 10:30 PM
Probaby a holden.

ash
03-02-2006, 04:21 AM
not to change the subject but i gotta know...in the second picture what is that car looking thing with a wooden bed on it. Kinda looks like a newer monte carlo.
Nah, it is a 4 liter ford
1 ton ute, alium tray back

ash

Frank
03-02-2006, 08:02 AM
Nah, it is a 4 liter ford
1 ton ute, alium tray back

ash

Figures lol. Forgot that there are other cars then Holden in the down under. lol.

ash
03-05-2006, 05:21 AM
ok... been for another skid. Not a real good track
did 4 runs all about 9.2 to 9.4
between 164 and 170 mph
bad 60' times..... 1.8 to 2.1 seconds...
I think the car weight is more than 1800 more like 1900 lbs...

Ash

Frank
03-05-2006, 07:36 AM
that is some crazy awesome mph...


frank

ash
03-05-2006, 08:03 AM
that is some crazy awesome mph...


frank

frank..... i cannot send u emails?
u changed it?

ash

Frank
03-05-2006, 11:48 AM
I am in the process of moving my site over to this server. You can e-mail me currently at frank@turbo-mopar.com

ash
05-31-2006, 03:54 AM
went for another skid the other day.
felt like it drove through the converter. well..... it did
got home and removed trany and converter. Well, converter rattles like marbles in side, trany looks like iron filing through it.
Too much torque...
Time for rebuilds
Lunched the torque converter and tranny in 6-7 passes

ash
04-06-2007, 06:53 PM
Frank,
Finally got some desent runs... well sort of
#1 : 7.9 @ 154 . 1.19 60ft, 5.0 @ 145 at the 660 - chute out at approx 3/4 track... test that the new chute works....
#2 : 7.7 @ 172 . 1.2 60 ft, 4.9 @ 145 at the 660 , chut out before the timing markers, and still went onto the grass at the end of the strip.

only had 16psi in engine, timing was off too ( 18 deg)
we have a National event in 2 weeks, will try
24 psi, 24 deg timing. new tyres,
also tried a new converter, this one is a 11inch, with chromemolly internals.
hmmm it is still together....
need a new windscreen too, is a bit breezzy @ 170 + mph in open cab

cheers
ash

Directconnection
04-06-2007, 06:58 PM
Goodto hear an update from you. Keep us posted on how you do.

Frank
04-06-2007, 07:31 PM
Sweet news Ash!!!! I saw your jokes in e-mail the other day was meaning to e-mail you about your car.


Frank

ash
07-08-2007, 07:06 AM
had a skid the other day....
worst was 8.13@ 178 mph
best 7.45 @ 179.9 mph
put a bit more boost into engine. still got 2 more deg of timing to go and 4 psi...
weight the car too, have lightened it up to 1820 lbs
had to put a windscreen on the body, was getting blown around
frank: got some new pics, will email them soon

moparzrule
07-08-2007, 07:12 AM
Nice! How much boost were you running with the 7.45 run?

Frank
07-08-2007, 12:50 PM
Sweet! Can't wait to see!!!!!

Dave
07-08-2007, 04:14 PM
That must be a scary ride trying to shut it down. Very awesome car!

turbovanmanČ
07-08-2007, 11:13 PM
Way cool man, :amen:

ash
07-10-2007, 05:22 AM
put 24 psi boost tune up in
still have std heads, std valve sizes, std block... grout filled
water in heads and turbo's only
a/f ratio 9.6:1
egt 887 deg F
lazy 60 foot of 1.10- to 1.13
half track 4.6 to 4.7
148- 150 mph @ 660 ft mark
7.45@180 mph
355 ci chev..
7.2 : 1 comp
should have pictures of car doing burnout soon
cheers
ohhh... doing a new project for a customer...
427 ci single turbo street car
chys sedan... will post pictures soon
going to be set up to run 11 's @ approx 138-140mph
eboost 2 controller to be easy off line, with booming top end.
street cars only allowed to run 11.0 with out a cage

Dave
07-10-2007, 04:05 PM
put 24 psi boost tune up in
still have std heads, std valve sizes, std block... grout filled
water in heads and turbo's only
a/f ratio 9.6:1
egt 887 deg F
lazy 60 foot of 1.10- to 1.13
half track 4.6 to 4.7
148- 150 mph @ 660 ft mark
7.45@180 mph
355 ci chev..
7.2 : 1 comp
should have pictures of car doing burnout soon
cheers
ohhh... doing a new project for a customer...
427 ci single turbo street car
chys sedan... will post pictures soon
going to be set up to run 11 's @ approx 138-140mph
eboost 2 controller to be easy off line, with booming top end.
street cars only allowed to run 11.0 with out a cage

That seems real rich, I'm guessing you're using some form of alcohol?

ash
07-10-2007, 05:59 PM
runs on alcohol.
just like funny car etc, top alcohol dragsters etc.
not to bad to slow down. have 2 chutes.
donot use brakes until turn off.
..... all the chyrsler turbo's turned up today
new turbonetcs stuff....
T76, race gate, bov, flanges, v band clamps etc.will be a blow through set up, with boost activated injecter for inrichment.
have to clearance the rotating assembly, and put on victor jn heads
post pics soon
ash

Pandemoniac
07-11-2007, 12:08 AM
Awesome turbo v8... I like those low EGTs you get with alcohol!

Dave
07-11-2007, 12:48 AM
Awesome turbo v8... I like those low EGTs you get with alcohol!

That's the joy of alcohol. :nod: Sooo any pics yet???

ash
07-30-2007, 05:48 AM
bought some new turbo's, twins... sold other t3/ t04E 57trim...
were too good too walk past. gtk turbonetics . gtk 550.
just fired up engine. sounds horny....
had to wind out boost... same adjuster setting had 4 psi more...
pulls converter to 5890 rpm
time for play....
next week

ash

8valves
07-30-2007, 06:51 AM
bought some new turbo's, twins... sold other t3/ t04E 57trim...
were too good too walk past. gtk turbonetics . gtk 550.
just fired up engine. sounds horny....
had to wind out boost... same adjuster setting had 4 psi more...
pulls converter to 5890 rpm
time for play....
next week

ash

Let us know how you like that new GTK lineup. I've been quite curious about it. Good luck!

ash
08-12-2007, 06:34 AM
creeping up on tune... to be safe
run 7.4 @ 184
1.22 60"
lol slippery track.. thought i was on wet green grass

bb turbo's need more boost than sleeve bearing turbo's to make the same power...
gtk's real nice sound, bit like a jet air plane... sort of

ash
10-14-2007, 03:02 AM
had a skid at the nationals this week end...
7.2 @ 190 mph
1.3 60ft
4.7 @ 156 mph 1/8
.. still way rich
... frank... send me a email... lost your's
got some action pic's

ash

Frank
10-14-2007, 09:43 PM
frank.katzenberger@squirrelpf.com

ash
10-30-2007, 06:38 PM
http://turboneticsownersclub.com/simi/altered_burnout_oct_07.jpg

ash
10-30-2007, 06:39 PM
http://turboneticsownersclub.com/simi/altered_launch_oct_07.jpg

moparzrule
10-30-2007, 07:23 PM
External wastegates venting to atmosphere, freakin sweet! Love the tire crunch too on take off.

Dave
10-31-2007, 07:38 AM
That defines the word "sexy."

mcsvt
10-31-2007, 10:03 AM
Great pics :thumb: Your welcome to share many many more :nod:

moparzrule
10-31-2007, 03:23 PM
Oh yeah I wanted to ask is that a boost gauge sitting on top of the pressure line on the left turbo?

ash
10-31-2007, 05:19 PM
Oh yeah I wanted to ask is that a boost gauge sitting on top of the pressure line on the left turbo?

No , it is a shift light, and also has a digital tach/ recall built into it..
engine has not gauges to look at..( not enough time..)
oil pressure light, tacho/ shift light only,
has a lm1 in rhs turbo out let

cheers
ash

moparzrule
10-31-2007, 06:10 PM
Ahh, yeah that would make sense. I was actually gonna mention how talented you were if you could read a boost gauge running low 7's!

ash
11-01-2007, 05:03 AM
Ahh, yeah that would make sense. I was actually gonna mention how talented you were if you could read a boost gauge running low 7's!

i don't look at the shift light. it just flashes and i shift.
it's blue colour, oil light it red...luckly it does not come on until chute is out, and engine is in neutrel...

the missus is complaining that.. about 4 days before a race meeting.... she can walk around naked, and i not pay any attention to her... just look and work on race car...thats turbo power in more ways than one...
cheers

ash

ash
11-01-2007, 05:04 AM
opps.
ment to say.... new sheet metal intake being build....wooohoo
more power with less boost...
cheers
ash

8valves
11-01-2007, 09:30 AM
That's interesting that you're requiring more boost with the GTK's. I've seen this elsewhere with Turbonetics new lineup in comparison to traditional journal bearing turbos, specifically in the SRT4 world. I'm not sure if they have those over there or not?

I've yet to see anyone do a direct Garrett GT vs Turbonetics GTK shootout though, which is surprising.

ash
11-02-2007, 06:59 AM
talking to a mate over here..
we have come up with a theory... here goes
you have a non slippery hole... eg normal bearing turbo...
you have a very slippery hole.... eg bb turbo
the TORQUE required to turn the exhaust wheel, for gas to flow out of the turbine housing, is the determining factor..
std bearing turbo, more force required to turn ex wheel, more back pressure created, therefore less boost required to do same hp...
bb turbo, slippery hole... needs more boost to do same work...
just an idea

ash

Frank
11-02-2007, 07:56 AM
That is a very valid thought. However let me throw the twist into it. The work required to push the air because of the increased backpressure is not what causes loss of power. It actually has to do with an increased of residual exhaust gasses and pressure inhibiting the intake charge from entering the cylinder in a VERY same fashion as a large overlap cam causing issue on turbo motors.


Frank

Frank
11-02-2007, 08:00 AM
I definently think an intake is in order. I think you will be pleasently suprised. I personally would go with something 2x your displacement in size. So if you were a 5,000cc motor, it would a 10,000cc intake. I would also go with two 80mm throttle bodies for each turbo.

What A/R and stage wheels are your turbines. DBB turbos wont really give you any gain what so ever. However you may find that A/R has a HUGE impact on your top end and increasing the efficency of your combustion because there is less residual exhaust gas as mentioned above.


Frank

ash
11-02-2007, 09:17 AM
I definently think an intake is in order. I think you will be pleasently suprised. I personally would go with something 2x your displacement in size. So if you were a 5,000cc motor, it would a 10,000cc intake. I would also go with two 80mm throttle bodies for each turbo.

What A/R and stage wheels are your turbines. DBB turbos wont really give you any gain what so ever. However you may find that A/R has a HUGE impact on your top end and increasing the efficency of your combustion because there is less residual exhaust gas as mentioned above.


Frank


frank,
yep, sheetmetal intake is finished....
twin 75 mm tb fitted, 3 inch tube used, from turbo to tb,
old a/r was .86 stg 3 t3
new a/r is .86 stg 5 t3
older t3/t04 E's 57 trim have been faster e.t and mph to 1/2 track but new gtk's have huge back door ( todate extra 10 mph)

Lugert
11-02-2007, 09:39 AM
Nice. Now get us some video footage!

ash
04-01-2008, 06:09 AM
new intake, and new turbo's
been playing with 'stuff' lol
twin gtk 1000's on 358 cube sbc
238cc intake runner, 25X cam dur @ .050 with 114 sep


http://www.turboneticsownersclub.com/download.php?id=263


http://www.turboneticsownersclub.com/download.php?id=262


http://www.turboneticsownersclub.com/download.php?id=264

Frank
04-01-2008, 06:41 AM
new intake, and new turbo's
been playing with 'stuff' lol
twin gtk 1000's on 358 cube sbc
238cc intake runner, 25X cam dur @ .050 with 114 sep


http://www.turboneticsownersclub.com/download.php?id=263


http://www.turboneticsownersclub.com/download.php?id=262


http://www.turboneticsownersclub.com/download.php?id=264



Awesome dude!

ash
11-30-2008, 07:00 AM
http://terrysphotos.smugmug.com/gallery/6315894_QxBXo#398284093_2bvWi-A-LB

latest pictures

BadAssPerformance
11-30-2008, 09:43 AM
Sweet pictures! How did it run?

anokabball24
11-30-2008, 01:07 PM
Maybe this is a dumb question, but why aren't you running some sort of water to air intercooler?

Also, do you have any videos that we can see? The Turbonetics links don't work, says "unauthorized".

Also, how does your TT bucket compare with the supercharged cars?

omni_840
11-30-2008, 01:19 PM
Cool pics :)

moparzrule
11-30-2008, 02:30 PM
Wow thats a lot different, the whole intake setup is completely different!

ash
12-01-2008, 09:19 AM
Wow thats a lot different, the whole intake setup is completely different!

yeeh
been awhile testing , changing, testing again...
the other 8 t/b manifold was restrictive

this tunnel ram style makes more power , with the same boost..
actually,
last year the car went 4.7 @ 157 with same cam, heads and 8 t/b manifold with 32 psi
this year , i had the tunnel ram style, and had to wind back the boost to get off the start line

10 psi is went 5.2 @ 140 ish
358 cubes now....
same cam , heads etc

ash
12-01-2008, 09:22 AM
Maybe this is a dumb question, but why aren't you running some sort of water to air intercooler?

Also, do you have any videos that we can see? The Turbonetics links don't work, says "unauthorized".

Also, how does your TT bucket compare with the supercharged cars?


no need for aftercooler
methanol fuel
there is approx 5 gal / min getting pumped into engine...

tt vs supercharged... with same engine cubes , other cars are around low 7 's @ 200 ish
we ran 7.2 @ 191, only spinning it to 6600-6700 rpm, with lazy 1.22 60 ft...
only left @ 4000 rpm

ash
12-01-2008, 09:27 AM
That's interesting that you're requiring more boost with the GTK's. I've seen this elsewhere with Turbonetics new lineup in comparison to traditional journal bearing turbos, specifically in the SRT4 world. I'm not sure if they have those over there or not?

I've yet to see anyone do a direct Garrett GT vs Turbonetics GTK shootout though, which is surprising.

the garrett turbo shafts are smaller than turbonetics...
the journall bearing on the rear of turbonetics , is like a shock absorber...
it settles the vibration down from anti lag, and 2 step style engine limiters...
turbonetics offer a 1 yr unconditional warrinty...

i have never run garrett turbo's , my turbo supplier like the other brand, so i followed suit...

turbonetics have more range of parts to match up to requirements tooo

ash
12-01-2008, 09:33 AM
[QUOTE=Frank;228294]That is a very valid thought. However let me throw the twist into it. The work required to push the air because of the increased backpressure is not what causes loss of power. It actually has to do with an increased of residual exhaust gasses and pressure inhibiting the intake charge from entering the cylinder in a VERY same fashion as a large overlap cam causing issue on turbo motors.
----------------------------------------------------

frank,
buddy how you going?
i have been doing some testing ....
the comment about large dur cams...
hmmm
i got a different out look now:eyebrows:

the 358 cube twin turbo engine, with durations of 274 @ .050 .....:p

will post data after christmas...
lol they work good mate...
the difference between the current 258 @ .050 and 274 @ .050 is like nite and day...
power is like turning on a light swith in your house.... INSTANT...

ash
12-01-2008, 09:35 AM
Sweet pictures! How did it run?



fast.....:evil:

ash
12-01-2008, 09:39 AM
I definently think an intake is in order. I think you will be pleasently suprised. I personally would go with something 2x your displacement in size. So if you were a 5,000cc motor, it would a 10,000cc intake. I would also go with two 80mm throttle bodies for each turbo.

What A/R and stage wheels are your turbines. DBB turbos wont really give you any gain what so ever. However you may find that A/R has a HUGE impact on your top end and increasing the efficency of your combustion because there is less residual exhaust gas as mentioned above.


Frank


current turbos:
twin 66mm bb
t/b are 75mm mustang ones, edelbrock i think....
3 inch tube from turbo to t/b
plunem size... not sure.... when i get back to workshop , i will measure

correct...bb turbo's don't make any more power, they just get there quicker.. and responde quicker to engine load, speed changes

the turbine housing step up from t3 with .82 a/r to t4 with .82 a/r
may be 200-300 rpm higher in postive boost gained into intake manifold..
engine makes more power from the les backpressure

ash
06-21-2009, 11:34 PM
had a skid the other day.......
Australian Winternationals
last years best was 7.2 @ 191

At the winternational warmup test day,we tried a few things,:D
went 7.4 @ 186 , 7.11 @ 186 , 7.04 @ 186 on 19 psi boost


then i stepped it up .......:p

1.03 60ft
2.8 330ft
4.3 @ 163.8 660ft
6.7 @ 199.2

new power found in converter changes, spark plug changes, more timing, different timing control..



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8i8kVMef3k
went 6.78 @ 199.2





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krw0sranztU&feature=channel
went 6.82 @ 198.33




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02YLzjrlS-g&feature=channel
nice burnout.....






http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXINCThQMR4&feature=related
got tooo greedy with start line rpm,
car drove right......... :mad:

moparzrule
06-22-2009, 06:21 AM
My gosh that thing takes off like a bullet! That must be a pretty good rush to drive that thing.

Just can't seem to hit that 200 mph mark huh? LOL, so close!

ash
06-22-2009, 06:49 AM
My gosh that thing takes off like a bullet! That must be a pretty good rush to drive that thing.

Just can't seem to hit that 200 mph mark huh? LOL, so close!



nah.\
slowed it down,
only got i chute...
need 2 to run 200 +;)

moparzrule
06-22-2009, 06:58 AM
LOL, nice.

rx2mazda
06-22-2009, 09:47 AM
Awesome!!!

ash
10-23-2009, 09:57 AM
cracked 200 mph in Sydney

dragster i raced is a 500cube, prostock engine, with 3 speed auto.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uo9SDaKRj0

ash
10-23-2009, 10:00 AM
http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/ae338/hashbrown_75/post-615-1249745295135874088.jpg



http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/ae338/hashbrown_75/wsidnationals110909_0441.jpg

2.216VTurbo
10-23-2009, 12:24 PM
Congrats on achieving another milestone with your car:clap: Nice pics too, what is in the downpipe (doesnt really face down like aour but don't know what else to call it:D) from the turbo? Are those EGT probes? Never seen them run all the way thru the pipe...

mcsvt
10-23-2009, 01:30 PM
Wow lookin great! Congrats on the 200mph.

Ondonti
10-23-2009, 03:29 PM
liking the big ram style box plenum :)
Have you dyno tuned the current timing?

BadAssPerformance
10-23-2009, 04:06 PM
Awesome! Congrats Ash! :thumb:

ash
10-26-2009, 04:15 PM
Nice pics too, what is in the downpipe (doesnt really face down like aour but don't know what else to call it:D) from the turbo? Are those EGT probes? Never seen them run all the way thru the pipe...[/QUOTE]


they are a retainer bars, incase the turbine flys to pieces, or shaft breaks..
part of the rules over here....

ash
10-26-2009, 04:18 PM
liking the big ram style box plenum :)
Have you dyno tuned the current timing?

no, no dyno time, just the big black 1320 dyno
have tuned the car , on spark plug and bigend bearing condition...
those turbos are maxed out now, and i cannot put anymore boost into the engine....
new turbos sitting in workshop ready...:p