Badass Neon?

[BadAssPerformance]

I have been stuck in 1987 for quite a while... Time to enter the 1990's!!!

Click the pic for more info... ;)

http://www.badassperformance.com/mrides/neon/neonx.jpg (http://www.badassperformance.com/mrides/neon/neon.html)

[TurboGLH]

Good call JT. My GF wants a 1st gen neon, I might just have to pick one up and then build a 2.4 for it.

[BadAssPerformance]

Thanks, should be a fun car. Gonna suck wrenching in that tight engine compartment tho, LOL.

[shadow88]

Looks like a 96 sohc 5 speed with the dohc muffler. Is this a salvage car?

[turbovanman²]

Nice, drag only car????????

I put an SRT motor in one, there quite roomy believe it or not, you can get at the turbo quite easily, :amen:

[BadAssPerformance]

Not salvage, but not exactly from the factory either. Currently auto, need to convert to 5-speed ;)

[BadAssPerformance]

Nice, drag only car????????

I put an SRT motor in one, there quite roomy believe it or not, you can get at the turbo quite easily, :amen:

Street car... of course! :thumb:

[turbovanman²]

Street car... of course! :thumb:

But of course, lol! What was I thinking, :banghead: :lol:

[BadAssPerformance]

LOL, you should know me by now!

[shadow88]

I didn't see a trans dipstick, but then again.... LOTS of things don't look right with that car.

[BadAssPerformance]

Thats ok... lotsa stuff is going to change with it! ;)

[contraption22]

Working on my brother's 2.4 1st gen is easier than working on my Lbody. We were hoping to get his car to the dyno soon. I purchased an hour of dyno time on a gift certificate for him for Christmas, but they haven't returned my calls. Turns out the dyno shop closed, without my brother having a chance to use the gift certificate.

[BadAssPerformance]

Good to hear on the space, I have chubby hands, LOL.

Bummer about the dyno shop :(

[Subliminal]

Problem with those neons. They're just so....gay looking.

Maybe it was the neon:hi! commercials. I don't know.

I like 87 better. ;)

But hell, as long as it's fast it doesn't matter...you could paint it yellow and get some of those rims that look like daisies and it'd still be cool if it were fast enough. ;)

[Turbodave]

I got dibs on all the junk sohc parts you pull out of it, gotta have more spares for my 95 POS neon

[Skibbe]

You sure that was an R/T at some point?

Besides the SOHC engine, the door handles aren't color matched, and the leftover racing stripes don't look to be regulation either.

[contraption22]

You sure that was an R/T at some point?

Besides the SOHC engine, the door handles aren't color matched, and the leftover racing stripes don't look to be regulation either.


You could not get an R/T with a SOHC or an Auto either. They were all DOHC and 5-speed. And all had fog lights in the front fascia.

All R/T's and ACR's were built at the Belvedere plant.

Plug the VIN in here and see what you get.

http://www.neons.org/vin/

[Skibbe]

You could not get an R/T with a SOHC or an Auto either. They were all DOHC and 5-speed. And all had fog lights in the front fascia.

All R/T's and ACR's were built at the Belvedere plant.

Plug the VIN in here and see what you get.

http://www.neons.org/vin/


You're right except about all R/T's being built at Belvedere. They made them in Mexico as well. My sister had a white R/T from Mexico, vin was 3B3... instead of 1B3..., no pride of Belvedere sticker on the drivers window. Other difference was the clutch. The Mexican ones had a conventional clutch instead of the modular garbage. Felt so much better through the pedal than my Belvedere R/T. Oh, and the door locks were chrome on her's and black on mine. I think those were the only differences.

[BadAssPerformance]

Yeah, I didnt think it was an R/T.... oh well, wasn't going to stay an R/T either, LOL

[mcsvt]

Looks like a fun project JT. I came in here expecting to see pictures of some badass neon, haha. Guess it will be one someday!

[BadAssPerformance]

Looks like a fun project JT. I came in here expecting to see pictures of some badass neon, haha. Guess it will be one someday!

LOL, far from it right now!

[BadAssPerformance]

I got dibs on all the junk sohc parts you pull out of it, gotta have more spares for my 95 POS neon

You got dibs for sure :thumb:

[raccoon]

hey! where the heck is the keyhole for the trunk?

but besides that im starting to think we share a collective mind, just last night I was thinking of a Gen1 neon with a 2.4.

good luck and take lots of pictures =)

[BadAssPerformance]

LOL, yeah the previous owner shaved the trunk... ;)

[contraption22]

Personally, I think the 2.4 swap is PITA and not much gain to be had over a 2.0, especially if your sticking with a 5 speed.

[Turbodave]

LOL, yeah the previous owner shaved the trunk... ;)

I'll make you a good deal on a set of APC tail-lights for it, they will look nice with that shaved bootie :evil:

It's going to be a lot easier to get in and crawl past the roll cage with some lambo doors too. I can see it becoming one Badass car already...

[BadAssPerformance]

Personally, I think the 2.4 swap is PITA and not much gain to be had over a 2.0, especially if your sticking with a 5 speed.

Why does the 5-speed make more HP with a 2.0L or something?

2.4L it is, i already ahve one... ;)

http://www.badassperformance.com/mrides/neon/hemi.jpg

[BadAssPerformance]

I'll make you a good deal on a set of APC tail-lights for it, they will look nice with that shaved bootie :evil:

It's going to be a lot easier to get in and crawl past the roll cage with some lambo doors too. I can see it becoming one Badass car already...

Dude, I would sooo do that if it would guarantee that the show ho's would be hanging all over it ;)

[mcsvt]

DO IT!!

Seriously looks like a good base for a fun 1st gen.

[Ondonti]

i dont really like how they look, but from what I have heard they are incredibly light, a 1995 base will weigh near 2100# with interior. Who needs an L body?

[contraption22]

Why does the 5-speed make more HP with a 2.0L or something?

2.4L it is, i already ahve one... ;)

http://www.badassperformance.com/mrides/neon/hemi.jpg


With a 2.0, you have a much wider rev range, well past 7500. With a 2.4... basically what you have is the feeling of a 2.5 8v with good cylinder head flow. You make TONS of low end power tho. Usually too much for the tires.
Brian Slowe learned that on his hybrid Shadow. When he went from 2.5 to 2.2, what he ended up with was much more usable power. The car was easier to control, had better 60 ft times, better trap speeds, and better ET's when the power band was shifted to the right.

Check out my pic gallery for pics of my brother's 2.4 neon project.
http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/photopost/showgallery.php?cat=500&ppuser=212

[contraption22]

i dont really like how they look, but from what I have heard they are incredibly light, a 1995 base will weigh near 2100# with interior. Who needs an L body?


They are no lighter than an Lbody. I think that they are easier to make them lighter tho, espescially with all the fiberglass and/or carbon fiber parts available for Neons that you cannot get for an Lbody. My 1998 coupe weighed about the same as my Horizon.

[BadAssPerformance]

I have always liked the 2.2L over the 2.5L... was wondeing if thats what you were going to say, Hmmm....

Well, light enough, especially in street trim. :thumb:

[Speedeuphoria]

what no turbo?
Your going to become a neons.org a-hollic:D

need a bigger oil filter

going to use megasquirt?

[Dodge Aries K]

2.0 DOHC with a 5 speed factory set redline is 72-7400 RPM. With the Mopar Performance PCM it's bumped to 7800. My Neon with the DOHC and the automatic it's stuck at 6500 and there's no aftermarket solution to fix that because I guess the A413 torque converter doesn't want to spin faster than that. I'll be converting my Neon to a 5 speed as well. Nice idea JT, I've been really happy with mine for driving around everyday.

[contraption22]

2.0 DOHC with a 5 speed factory set redline is 72-7400 RPM. With the Mopar Performance PCM it's bumped to 7800. My Neon with the DOHC and the automatic it's stuck at 6500 and there's no aftermarket solution to fix that because I guess the A413 torque converter doesn't want to spin faster than that. I'll be converting my Neon to a 5 speed as well. Nice idea JT, I've been really happy with mine for driving around everyday.

Howell Automotive used to sell "upgraded" PCM's, even for the Auto cars. The rev limiter was raised, but in my experience, they ran like crap. They had a whole bunch of ignition advanced added as well, so it wouldn't really be good for a turbo application.

My brother's neon is running a Mopar Performance PCM, but it's a 2.4, it will never see over 7000 rpm. It has been converted to automatic as well. The Speedo reads WAY off because of the difference in SDS drive gear size between the auto and stick trans.

[ShadowFromHell]

Neons are fun. Im on my second one. My first was a 95 sohc/5spd sport that I bneat the crap out off. It ran a 15.8 on a bog (damn DR's haha) and it only had a intake and exhaust mods. My current one is a 97 sport DOHC/5spd and it has SOO much more power. I cant wait to run it this summer. Im wanting to do the normal header/intake/udp mods to it, but cant get myself to spend that amount of money for such small power gains. Td's have spoiled me! haha.

Here is a pic of my old SOHC :)

http://509dodgeboys.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10003/normal_S4200005.jpg

[BadAssPerformance]

what no turbo?
Your going to become a neons.org a-hollic:D

need a bigger oil filter

going to use megasquirt?

It will have a turbo

Yeah, gotta check out neons.org for sure

oil filter is what came with the engine

no

[Birddog]

You're going to need one of these...
http://www.howellautomotive.com/ProductImages/newshirt.jpg

[BadAssPerformance]

You're going to need one of these...
http://www.howellautomotive.com/ProductImages/newshirt.jpg

LOL, Thats Awesome! :thumb:

[turbovanman²]

Personally, I think the 2.4 swap is PITA and not much gain to be had over a 2.0, especially if your sticking with a 5 speed.

True, it is tough BUT for a DD, the 2.4 makes more sense, :nod:

[contraption22]

True, it is tough BUT for a DD, the 2.4 makes more sense, :nod:

Not really. Traction is impossible even at half throttle in my brother's neon with street tires.

[Ondonti]

Not really. Traction is impossible even at half throttle in my brother's neon with street tires.You can always run a bigger turbo :P

[ShadowFromHell]

A friend of mine swapped his 2.0 DOHC for a 2.4 in his old 1g. Told me he wouldnt do it again, and talked me out of it. Im just gonna go with a mild 2.0 DOHC build. Even us hardcore TD guys need a reliable car. lol.

[BadAssPerformance]

Why not? I havn't touched the engine or car yet so please explain.

[turbovanman²]

Why not? I havn't touched the engine or car yet so please explain.


+2!!!

[Vigo]

maybe they need a lower geared tranny to make a 2.4 worth a crap. i dunno much about neons but if ALL we had to work with was the 3.85fd trannies (i think neons are worse?) and 23" or smaller tires, we'd probly all give up and go somewhere else.

[inmyshadow]

I have to admit, I own a neon. I'm not a fan of neons, nor green. I over came those problems when I got the car for 100 bucks. My neon is a 95 Sport Sedan 5spd. Car is mostly mint.

You are going to love the 2.4 swap. I just finished my last week. Right now, I'm running header/intake/exhaust/52mmTB/underdrive and a port/polished intake manifold. The manifold was modified by cutting off the thermostat housing. I also used a hondata heatshield gasket. I didn't upgrade the oiling system using SRT4 parts like yourself.

I can't wait to turbocharge mine. I have a stratus R/T manifold. I was planning to reuse my TII turbo and TI injectors with dsm resistor box.

Right now I'm focused on getting my shadow convertible restored. I'm having fun being able to go WOT in low gears without tons of tire spin. Its also nice having my weekly fuel bill cut in half.

[Aries_Turbo]

there is a 3.5fd neon 5-speed available.

if I were to build a neon it would be a 2.0L as well. keep that powerband up high so that the tires can keep planted somewhat. plus you can easily rev a 2.0L out to 8k and actually make decent power up there... you need the upgraded valvetrain though (2.7L or PT) plus the big end of the rod is wider, and the rod ratio is much better than the 2.4L. the 2.4L is cool but id rather have a 2.0L

even if you run a huge turbo, if it spools by 4k, you still have a 4k rpm powerband and that is plenty.

Brian

[BadAssPerformance]

Wow, many are recomending the 2.0L for the neon... problem is the 2.4L aluminum rod motor is already sitting on the engine stand... junk 2.0L sitting in the neon...

[Aries_Turbo]

dont worry JT. the 2.4L will perform well, no doubt and you can rev it decently to like 6700-7k realistically, but from a design standpoint and an all out race styled motor, the 2.0L is a bit better in my book.

is the junk motor a DOHC? or SOHC? cause the if its sohc, dont bother.

my wife has a 2.0L DOHC ATX 98 sport 2dr. I so want to confiscate it from her. :) its just screaming for boost!

I wouldnt mind dropping a 2.0L in the turbo k car but thats money I dont have to spend right now so im sticking with the 2.5L

Brian

[BadAssPerformance]

It SOHC's... LOL

[Mario]

Did you steal that engine from Alex? :eyebrows:

[Aries_Turbo]

yeah the SOHC wouldnt be bad but the exhaust ports are so bad. :(

Brian

[BadAssPerformance]

Did you steal that engine from Alex? :eyebrows:

If by steal you mean buy the assembled long block for what he paid FM for the JE pistons and billet aluminum rods... then yes ;)

[Mario]

Not to stray too far off topic but what became of that car he was putting it in?

[BadAssPerformance]

Not to stray too far off topic but what became of that car he was putting it in?

Which one?

The '87 GLHS it was in first was in a flood, future of it TBD.

The Stratus that it was in after he pulled it out of the GLHS was sold after I bought the engine out of it... he sold both to help fund his 2nd Hond F4 so he could have a dedicated track bike.

[TurboRon25]

That ship set sail. ...or what do you call it when talking about submarines? I think talking about Alex and seamen is definately off topic... uh, JT, help.

Ron


Not to stray too far off topic but what became of that car he was putting it in?

[BadAssPerformance]

LOL... back on topic... why did ShadowFromHell's friend not want to do the 2.4L swap agian?

[Speedeuphoria]

because he cant fit big enough tires on the front to make a difference over the 2.0:nod:, it just spins. Kind of like dmarino on neons.org, he has a srt4 motor in his 1st gen and sc6152s turbo custom intake ect.., spins tires in 4th(kind of point less ya think)

you can rev the 2.4 to 8k, but with out huge cams and properly designed intake, the peak hp wont be near that.

I like the 2.0 w/ the 2.2 stroker setup for a 5spd

[BadAssPerformance]

Sounds like he needs to find a way to fit bigger tires :thumb:

[ShadowFromHell]

sorry I didnt get back to you guys sooner. My freind with the 2.4 1g reason for talking me not into going 2.4 is one simple question. Would you rather have 30ft more tq that you cant use, or 1000 more rpms. For me, its simple. More revs. He acutally told me if he ever destroys the 2.4 in his SRT... he is going to build a 2.0.

[BadAssPerformance]

yeah, that seems to be the common thread here... and I have beena fan of the 2.2L over the 2.5L... but, I gots the 2.4L so I'll have to see what I can do to make it work ;)

[ShadowFromHell]

exactly. If it was 2.0 sohc vs 2.4 DOHC.... 2.4 all the way. lol

I think the 2.4 swaps are so common because of the avilabilty of the engines.

[Mario]

yeah, that seems to be the common thread here... and I have beena fan of the 2.2L over the 2.5L... but, I gots the 2.4L so I'll have to see what I can do to make it work ;)

I think what you gots to do is put it in the Z. :D

[BadAssPerformance]

The thought has crossed my mind... I was planning to keep it 8 valve tho.

[Mario]

Understand that entirely.

[BadAssPerformance]

Update... OBX header, ebay UD pulley both ordered ;)

[Skibbe]

I haven't found an alternator bracket yet, so I'm guessing I don't have one after all. You're welcome to my box of misc neon parts though, there's a few other brackets, and some 2.0l parts in it that I'm never going to do anything with.

I've got a 2.0 block too, if you "vent" the 2.4. ;-)

[BadAssPerformance]

LOL, thanks for looking and the offer for a 2.0L when I blowd this 2.4L up ;)

[Turbodave]

I've got a couple spare 2.0 blocks also, so I think it's time to put a big 2-stage shot on that 2.4.

[BadAssPerformance]

LOL, sweeeet :thumb:

[Skibbe]

I see no reason for a two-stage setup... who needs a low setting?

[BadAssPerformance]

LOL, so true :thumb:

[Aries_Turbo]

I see no reason for a two-stage setup... who needs a low setting?

try taking a corner at 25psi lol. i still light the tires at 10psi in 2nd. :)

Brian

[BadAssPerformance]

Need an OBX? BTW, What are these 'corners' you speak of? ;)

I live my life a 1/4 mile at a time yo! :rolleyes:

[Aries_Turbo]

well Im sure its not a straight shot from the house to the track (unless you always trailer it).

OBX isnt a total cure all. when i get wheelspin, its mostly both tires. im sure of that when i slide into the other lane lol. and thats with 225/50/15 kumho. :)

Brian

[BadAssPerformance]

I live twenty eight 1/4 miles from my work :thumb:

Actually the OBX in teh shadow tends to chirp the outside tire :eek:

[Aries_Turbo]

yeah thats the way it was when I had a quaife in my old SHO.

heheh 28, 1/4 miles. thats funny. :)

Brian

[BadAssPerformance]

LOL, funny and kinda true. When I first put the FAST in the Z I commuted to work all the time in it to set up the fuel map. Was a blast! :thumb:

[Aries_Turbo]

yeah I do that alot on the way home in the k car. :) do some datalogs and burn a chip here and there. :)

Brian

[ShelbyTurbo]

The whole 2.0/2.4 question is why I haven't set my mind to a 2.4. Go through the trouble of swapping the SRT setup in the car, and not go anywhere with traction issues, or build the 2.0 DOHC with bent rods in my barn for N/A. I think that 250 hp, or more can be had with enough compression, a hot set of cams, a ported head, and one of those Indy intakes with a big tb. It may even be able to put the power to the ground with the stock super light 14 in wheels too, which I know the 2.4 will not without slicks.

[contraption22]

250hp N/A out of the Neon motor is alot more difficult than you might thing. In fact, 200whp is pretty difficult. Possible, yes, but with HIGH compression, BIG cams, etc. you will loose much streetability, and you will have a very peaky engine.

Last I remembered, the jury was still out on the effectiveness of those INDY intakes on N/A engines.

[BadAssPerformance]

You can make power with a 2.0L or 2.4L N/A but you're gonna have to rev it to 10k rpm to use all of it...

An N/A car will have similar but different traction issues.

I would say it is way easier to swap the SRT motor in and make more power easier, and I am not just saying this because I am going this route either, LOL ;)

[ShelbyTurbo]

How well do you think that one of our T03's work on that little 2.0? I've still got a couple laying around from the daytona.

[BadAssPerformance]

I think it would be a great start. If you start out with the stock high compression of the 2.0L you wont need much turbo or boost to make decent power although you'll make more power with a lower compression setup and bigger turbo for sure ;)

[ShelbyTurbo]

The only thing that worries me about my stock bottom end is the crappy powdered metal rods, I think I can get away with 8 pounds of boost though, as long as I have fuel.

[BadAssPerformance]

Yeah, 8psi never hurt nobody ;)

[WickedShelby88]

This may be a no brainer, but from what I've seen a mild 2.4 will be able to far outrev even an all out built 2.2 hybrid with 2.0 cams. Is this right I presume. I am severely pondering a hybrid in the charger at some point. Gas prices suck and this setup would far more efficient and still way less than going with a complete 2.4. Mainly because I can do all my own fab work. Then again, maybe not.

[BadAssPerformance]

I'm not a fan of hybrids... maybe thats cuz I know how to weld up new motor mounts.

[WickedShelby88]

I know how I just don't want to.. At least not on the SC. Neons on the other hand are still plentiful..

[BadAssPerformance]

So you are going to keep the SC 8 valve?

[WickedShelby88]

8V for now, but once I get some projects caught up its getting a 16 V neon head.

[BadAssPerformance]

I guess what I'm getting at is that whether it is a motor swap or hybrid, the 16V in a SC is tight enough you migh thave to cut the SC like you dont want to...

[WickedShelby88]

Lets just say its going to be like sardines. I'm going to get a head to mock it up while the broken shortblock is still in the car. At least that way I can have an idea of what I'm getting myself into. Yeah if I have to cut it then I think I will leave the 16V thing on hold till I can find me a MASI head.

[BadAssPerformance]

Got some more neon crap at the pick-n-pull this morning... damn there's a lotta neons in thr yard!

[boneyardracing]

250hp N/A out of the Neon motor is alot more difficult than you might thing. In fact, 200whp is pretty difficult. Possible, yes, but with HIGH compression, BIG cams, etc. you will loose much streetability, and you will have a very peaky engine.

Last I remembered, the jury was still out on the effectiveness of those INDY intakes on N/A engines.


I have to disagree with you, there is at least one person making 170whp from a stock bottom end and computer (I'll get the link in a minute) being able to tune properly for the ITB's would make 200whp almost too easy,the best part is that this on a SOHC.
http://forums.neons.org/viewtopic.php?t=272555


If you want to go N/A the easy way is a 2.0 DOHC you can find anyway you want to do it on 1gn.org or if you must neons.org. The fun way is a 2.0 SOHC. My way is a 2.4 SOHC:) (in the works). With any N/A car you would want the 3.94FD (perf B (All DOHC cars) or (perf A all ACR's/R,T's)

For boost I would go with a 2.4 DOHC and a standard 3.55FD transmission

[ShelbyTurbo]

As far as the N/A stuff is concerned, I already have a good starter setup, '98 R/T with a fresh performance "B" 3.94 trans.

Hmm ITB's, thats an interesting setup.

[BadAssPerformance]

How much does a stock 2-door 1st gen neon weigh?

[Speedeuphoria]

Less than the Z or the Shadow:thumb:

Not sure think its around 25-2600

[BadAssPerformance]

LOL, so true!

Wow, that much? I thought they were as light or better than Omni's?

[Speedeuphoria]

I'm not real sure but I though that Steve's SFWD car weighs like 2550 but thats w/ a cage(prob a few things removed also) so they prob are more like 2450 stock?? I'm just talking out my a$$ any way. I'm sure that you can cut them down to 2200 caged tin can style

ok here ya go, says curb weight is 2385 for a 2dr
http://consumerguideauto.howstuffworks.com/1995-to-1999-dodge-neon-4.htm

[BadAssPerformance]

Damn thats light!

[Birddog]

Vehicle Dimensions
Specification 2-door coupe 4-door sedan


Wheelbase, in. 104.0 104.0


Overall Length, in. 171.8 171.8


Overall Width, in. 67.5 67.5


Overall Height, in. 53.0 52.8


Curb Weight, lbs. 2385 2416

[BadAssPerformance]

Damn thats light! :thumb:

[Birddog]

Those were for a 95 Neon, I'd assume it would be the same for all 1g Neons?

[WVRampage]

Theres a guy up in Pa with a base 2 door neon with a SOHC mostly stock with a T3T4 on it and has seen 18psi for a little while and still togather.

[boneyardracing]

Those were for a 95 Neon, I'd assume it would be the same for all 1g Neons?

Not quite, early 95's (94 1/2) could be as light as 2290est due to manual steering, manual locks (avaliable until 97) little/no sound deadner and other things. Highline, Style, and R/T could be almost 2700.

[Nemesismachine]

Problem with those neons. They're just so....gay looking.

Maybe it was the neon:hi! commercials. I don't know.

I like 87 better. ;)

But hell, as long as it's fast it doesn't matter...you could paint it yellow and get some of those rims that look like daisies and it'd still be cool if it were fast enough. ;)

LOL! My thoughts exactly. You can put a different hood on it, dual exhaust and a turbo. Still looks like a queer cheerleader car with the lack of styling. "its not a neon. It's an SRT4." and your a fag. I'll take my 89 Horizon over it anyday.

BTW, before you go complaining about a cramped engine bay in a NEON, look under the hood of an L body. Then we'll talk.

[Turbodave]

BTW, before you go complaining about a cramped engine bay in a NEON, look under the hood of an L body. Then we'll talk.

Working on my L-bodies is a dream compared to my neon, much more room in the omni to do most things. However the crossflow head in the neon is nice in that you don't have to pull the cylinder head to mess with the manifolds or anything. And the Neon is easier to change the oil on, but that's not hard on the Omni either. I've swapped engines in both and lost less blood on the omni.

[Skibbe]

Working on my L-bodies is a dream compared to my neon, much more room in the omni to do most things. However the crossflow head in the neon is nice in that you don't have to pull the cylinder head to mess with the manifolds or anything. And the Neon is easier to change the oil on, but that's not hard on the Omni either. I've swapped engines in both and lost less blood on the omni.

I'm with Dave on this one. L-bodies can be a little tight up front, but it's not that bad. My old neon was cramped, even after I started deleting things... (PS, A/C, etc.)

L body > PL Body anyday.

[BadAssPerformance]

Sooo... plusses :) and minusses :( for the Neon swap ...

[Turbodave]

Pros - 2.4 turbo into neon

It bolts in for the most part
Lightweight chassis so less hp needed to go fast
Bogarts will bolt right on


Cons -

It's been done before
Less room to work with
It's a neon which is about as badass as a pink pony with a ribbon in it's hair.
Need to fill the garage with a whole new batch of spare parts
Those big slicks you have off the Daytona won't fit in the front wheelwells.

[BadAssPerformance]

It's a neon which is about as badass as a pink pony with a ribbon in it's hair.

Those big slicks you have off the Daytona won't fit in the front wheelwells.

LOL... that comment might make me change my mind about the BadAss neon!

They wont!? only 24.5" x 8.5"....

[Turbodave]

LOL... that comment might make me change my mind about the BadAss neon!

They wont!? only 24.5" x 8.5"....

I thought they were bigger than that, the 24.5's might fit. My 95 neon has about as much room up front as an Omni or Charger. You're welcome to test fit the slicks on my car if you want to see how they fit. I bet I could put a rod through the block or bust the tranny before I could ever get my car to spin those meats.

[BadAssPerformance]

Wow, guess the 2nd gen neons have a ton more room then. The SRT-4 wheels/tires are 25" tall! ...only 205 wide tho.

LOL, yeah, with the long gear, my Shadow can barely spin them at the track unless I hit it off the limiter :thumb:

[boneyardracing]

You could always do that thing where you like have to go around corners and stuff:) . For what its worth 225-60-14 fit perfectly with a set of spacers.

[dunny]

LOL, pink pony comment is awesome!

I stuck with a 2.0L for my project but went with an SRT4 head.

FWIW my first gen coupe weighed 2450lbs with me in it.....I'm roughly 140lbs. Rear seats, passenger seat, and everything in the trunk was removed. 1/4 tank of gas. Ran very low 13's and trapped 103mph (stock block/slicks/SRT turbo) with 190whp/170wtq and a bad tune :) Just got it running with a built block and megasquirt.....it already feels stronger than before running the same amount of boost :eyebrows:

[Turbodave]

LOL, pink pony comment is awesome!

I stuck with a 2.0L for my project but went with an SRT4 head.

FWIW my first gen coupe weighed 2450lbs with me in it.....I'm roughly 140lbs. Rear seats, passenger seat, and everything in the trunk was removed. 1/4 tank of gas. Ran very low 13's and trapped 103mph (stock block/slicks/SRT turbo) with 190whp/170wtq and a bad tune :) Just got it running with a built block and megasquirt.....it already feels stronger than before running the same amount of boost :eyebrows:

That weight sounds about right, my 95 sport coupe feels about as heavy as my 89 Shadow, and that make sense. Mine has a few options like power mirrors, locks, cruise, A/C, rear discs etc. that add some weight.

13's sounds pretty good and has to make the car a lot more fun I'm sure with a properly setup block and good engine controls you'll see a lot better et's. Mine is still just a stock mid 16's sohc car and it's not bad to drive, but the fear of sacrificing the fuel economy on my daily driver is keeping me from turbo'ing it.

[dunny]

That weight sounds about right, my 95 sport coupe feels about as heavy as my 89 Shadow, and that make sense. Mine has a few options like power mirrors, locks, cruise, A/C, rear discs etc. that add some weight.

13's sounds pretty good and has to make the car a lot more fun I'm sure with a properly setup block and good engine controls you'll see a lot better et's. Mine is still just a stock mid 16's sohc car and it's not bad to drive, but the fear of sacrificing the fuel economy on my daily driver is keeping me from turbo'ing it.

Interesting you mention fuel economy, because that was one of the things that I was surprised about with my previous setup. It was my daily driver and I was easily getting 30MPG no matter how I drove it! On the highway I could hit 35-36MPG no problem. I was running 8psi on a stock block that was beat up pretty bad for 80k miles. That much boost was perfect for a street setup - just enough to spin the tires easily in 2nd gear (and pull on many unsuspecting prey :)) yet good gas mileage. My goal was to run high 12's on the stock block with the SRT4 turbo setup but I missed that by a tenth of a second. I think LSD would have helped a little but I didn't install that until recently.

I'm shooting for high 11's and 300whp with the new setup. I can already tell it's running a lot snappier with a little more timing and a better tune on the same amount of boost. I can't wait to fine tune it and hit the dyno :nod: It's a sleeper too so that makes it even better :evil: The only thing that gives it away is that you can now see the nice sized front mount and a 3" side exit exhaust in front of the rear driver's side wheel!