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87csx2.4
02-07-2007, 09:29 AM
I know its a bottom mount it looks like a good design and its made out of 321 stainless.Im not sure if the bottom mount will work but I could always cut and flip the flange and reweld.What do you guys think might be a good economical alternative for all of us 16 valvers.http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/OBX-DSM-Mitsubishi-Eclipse-420A-NT-95-99-Turbo-Manifold_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33631QQihZ016Q QitemZ260082349952QQrdZ1

Frank
02-07-2007, 09:43 AM
I didnt think the 420a stuff bolts up. Does it?

87csx2.4
02-07-2007, 09:57 AM
I didnt think the 420a stuff bolts up. Does it?yep direct bolt up,I was hoping you would reply to this what do you think?Its made from 14 gauge 321 should be plenty stout.Yeah the 420a is direct fit it's the 4g63 stuff that wont work.

Speedeuphoria
02-07-2007, 09:59 AM
well it looks better than the OBX for the SRT4
The OBX does have a lifetime warranty, a couple SRT4 guys have manifolds that cracked and were replaced -shipping.

not sure on the fitment but looks close, I'll dig into it. If mine ever crack/warps bad I will be up for one(although I dont think Rob has had any probs w/ his?)

is your WG a 4 bolt? my 38mm is only 2(wouldnt be hard to change anyway)

87csx2.4
02-07-2007, 10:03 AM
well it looks better than the OBX for the SRT4
The OBX does have a lifetime warranty, a couple SRT4 guys have manifolds that cracked and were replaced -shipping.

not sure on the fitment but looks close, I'll dig into it. If mine ever crack/warps bad I will be up for one(although I dont think Rob has had any probs w/ his?)

is your WG a 4 bolt? my 38mm is only 2(wouldnt be hard to change anyway)
I know the flange will bolt up because when I ordered the flange to make my log I ordered one for the 420a.Yes I will have to cut the 4 bolt flange off and weld on a 38mm 2 bolt flange.I like it alot better than the srt4 manifold plus it has the right flanges for our heads.

Speedeuphoria
02-07-2007, 10:06 AM
yep direct bolt up

sweet, I wasnt aware of that either. That gives more options.

Not sure if it would fit like that, looks like it may be out of the way of the pwr steering bracket and axle(might be tight). But like you said cut it and flip it and you'll have a winner. You'll prob want to clean it up a little on the inside anyway, if its rough in the collector ect.. from the mass production.

I give it a :thumb:

87csx2.4
02-07-2007, 10:14 AM
Yea I was looking at the one rt/ernie makes for the neon and its a bottom mount too.I believe it may work as is,in my car anyway.If not there is always the sawzall.:D

Speedeuphoria
02-07-2007, 10:20 AM
does your oil pan have a gap by the trans like the srt/pt pan?(this is for the IC pipe to go under and to the front)

am I wrong wouldnt the IC pipe have to go this route or you think there will be room(well you can allways make room:eyebrows: )

So since its more what you were looking for, only a little more $ than the SRT one, are you getting one?
BTW how much does the R/T Ernie ones go for?

Frank
02-07-2007, 10:24 AM
Well there is the following issue. This header is designed for the 420a which means it sits on the front side of the car if memory serves me right. If that is the case it being a "hanging turbo" setup, the axle may serve to be in the way.


Frank

87csx2.4
02-07-2007, 10:28 AM
I think I can make the IC pipe still run in the same direction,there is really only one way to find out and thats buy it and make it work.I think the cut and flip of the flange will definately work but I dont want to do that if I dont have to.The rt/ernie manifold has been selling for 900.

87csx2.4
02-07-2007, 10:32 AM
Well there is the following issue. This header is designed for the 420a which means it sits on the front side of the car if memory serves me right. If that is the case it being a "hanging turbo" setup, the axle may serve to be in the way.


FrankThat is right it was a front mount but from my calculation of where the flange is and the angle its at if anything it will hit the firewall.

Frank
02-07-2007, 10:34 AM
Well other then the wastegate dump tube being a HP hog, it looks decent for a header.


Frank

Speedeuphoria
02-07-2007, 11:01 AM
heres some pics of the R/T Ernie bottom mount header for a neon, best pics I could find for now

also besides the equal length of the 420a header, it also has the pipes coming into the colector pointing at the turbo. Kevin, people have said that the SRT4 OBX has a better collector than that cheap one I showed you(that one is more like a log at the collector, they just combine instead of pointing straight at it at the collector), and this one is by far better than both!

87csx2.4
02-07-2007, 11:46 AM
yep and Ive got alot more room than that,I need my downpipe to go the other way.

Speedeuphoria
02-07-2007, 12:00 PM
allright well you better get to work:p
I'm sure that you saw Warren's header and gains from the stockish manifold(.3-.4 sec) think the spool will be faster also.

keeping the 18's or still uncertain?

87csx2.4
02-07-2007, 12:07 PM
keeping the 18's or still uncertain?
sold them going back to the 2.0's.

turbovanmanČ
02-07-2007, 01:44 PM
Well there is the following issue. This header is designed for the 420a which means it sits on the front side of the car if memory serves me right. If that is the case it being a "hanging turbo" setup, the axle may serve to be in the way.


Frank

Frank, if my memory serves, 420A means its the 2.0L Neon engine package. I don't think it matters if its front or back? :eyebrows:

Thats a nice looking header, :thumb:

Frank
02-07-2007, 01:56 PM
420a is a Eclipse motor. 2.0L yes, but when I said bolt up that doesnt mean to only worry about flange bolt patterns. There is alot more to worry about about as we have stated.

turbovanmanČ
02-07-2007, 02:05 PM
420a is a Eclipse motor. 2.0L yes, but when I said bolt up that doesnt mean to only worry about flange bolt patterns. There is alot more to worry about about as we have stated.

Are you sure about that, 420a is the Dodge DOHC head, not the 4g63!

BadAssPerformance
02-07-2007, 02:17 PM
The n/a 2.0L 2nd gen Eclipses got the Dodge motor.

Frank
02-07-2007, 03:09 PM
It maybe the head, but the exhaust is out the front, hence the header is designed for front use, front spacing, etc. Dont split hairs with me. :P hehehehe

IN seriousness, if it was that cut and dry, I dont think Kevin would be asking us.

turbovanmanČ
02-07-2007, 03:42 PM
It maybe the head, but the exhaust is out the front, hence the header is designed for front use, front spacing, etc. Dont split hairs with me. :P hehehehe

IN seriousness, if it was that cut and dry, I dont think Kevin would be asking us.

Correct on the exhaust out front, and yes, splitting hairs, :p

glhs875
02-07-2007, 03:48 PM
Nice looking header! Be hard to beat for the price! I think it's doable. At the most you can cut the flange and flip it like you said. But it may work as is. It looks like the turbo flange is just a tad lower than the head flange. So I think the axle will clear. BUY IT!! :thumb: A header like that but flipped, and with the turbo mounted above hood level in a hood scoop with the inlet of the turbo facing forward would be killer!!! That's what I want someday!

Garret
02-07-2007, 05:41 PM
Definatly a nice cheap option, I'd just make a support bracket for it... looks like it would go good with a holset and a 16v Omni...

BadAssPerformance
02-07-2007, 06:19 PM
It maybe the head, but the exhaust is out the front, hence the header is designed for front use, front spacing, etc. Dont split hairs with me. :P hehehehe

IN seriousness, if it was that cut and dry, I dont think Kevin would be asking us.

Out the front like the DCR/Crawford ProFWD SRT-4 ;)

87csx2.4
02-07-2007, 06:35 PM
I guess I will be the guinnea pig on this one,I believe it will work as is Im going to have to change the downpipe and a few other things.I've got the head and everything off right now anyways,got new stainless valves installed so I might as well try it.Im going to do some bracing to it and I think it will be fine.I will let everyone know when its finished it might open up some options for you hybrid guy's too.

BadAssPerformance
02-07-2007, 06:50 PM
I beleive that either OBX makes one for both of the 2.0L engines or the same one will fit both.

Gearjamer
02-07-2007, 10:14 PM
I'm going to be doing a 16v hybrid on a 2.5l CB with a 2.4l head off of a '98 caravan. Will this header work? It looks like it would be mighty close to the firewall.

87csx2.4
02-08-2007, 09:15 AM
I'm going to be doing a 16v hybrid on a 2.5l CB with a 2.4l head off of a '98 caravan. Will this header work? It looks like it would be mighty close to the firewall.We are going to find out.

TurboBuggy
02-08-2007, 11:49 AM
im also interested in how this turns out, thats a beautiful header. If you do buy it plz post pictures of how it would set in different arrangements.

contraption22
02-09-2007, 09:39 PM
I'd be just as concerned about starter clearance as firewall clearance.

contraption22
02-10-2007, 02:34 PM
On a hybrid yes, 2.4 no

Yeah i should have been more specific.

TurboBuggy
04-08-2007, 10:28 PM
any updates?

87csx2.4
04-09-2007, 09:03 AM
http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12560
any updates?